AH Challenge: Divided France
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Okay, here it goes...
Operation Overlord, due to bad weather, in cancelled, and so the invasion of France has to be postponed until later. Operation Dragoon is launched in August, but Western Allied advance takes much longer. Meawhile the Soviets, being launched forward by a greedy Stalin, are going faster and faster towards Germany. Patton and Montgomery warn Eisenhower about this, saying they sould try for a all out andvance into Germany, but Eisenhower, who want to advance gradually and united dosen't listen.
After a successful German counter operation into the west, the Soviets take Berlin, with the results being much the same. Hitler commits Suicide, but orders German troops to fight on. After a long and bloody war, the Soviets control almost all of Europe, with the exception of Alied Controlled Western France, and Great Britian and Ireland.
Operation Overlord, due to bad weather, in cancelled, and so the invasion of France has to be postponed until later. Operation Dragoon is launched in August, but Western Allied advance takes much longer. Meawhile the Soviets, being launched forward by a greedy Stalin, are going faster and faster towards Germany. Patton and Montgomery warn Eisenhower about this, saying they sould try for a all out andvance into Germany, but Eisenhower, who want to advance gradually and united dosen't listen.
After a successful German counter operation into the west, the Soviets take Berlin, with the results being much the same. Hitler commits Suicide, but orders German troops to fight on. After a long and bloody war, the Soviets control almost all of Europe, with the exception of Alied Controlled Western France, and Great Britian and Ireland.
Funny. I just read a graphic novel based on this idea last Saturday.
Even if the Soviets were to conquer all of Germany after a failed D-Day, I can't see it happen, though, unless you have both no Free France and a Vichy Regime openly allied with Germany and a fitter USSR and the end of the war. The Soviet Bloc is on the Rhine, and on par with USA strategically (I assume nuclear parity is reached earlier, in 1947 or 1948, to avoid the nuclear strike that would inevitalily follow any Soviet attenpt in Western Europe). I'll indulge in ASB, though.
France being treated as an enemy power, you *could* have a Soviet occupation zone from the Swiss border to a Lille-Rouen line (the shore is out of question, the Brits would space out), with the Seine as the main border (I assume that French colonies have either gaines their independance or under British-US "supervision"). Americans support a liberal market regime (maybe with former, moderate Vichysts), Soviets support their own "national-communist" government, and when France is granted total sovereignity again by the Western Allies, The Soviet-backed governement declares its sovereignity over all of the French Territory, known as the French Democratic Socialist Republic. However, the FDSR is only composed of the former Soviet occupation zone. Although considerable tension arise, war is avoided until Stalin's death, each regime calling for each other's destruction (the Bordeaux goverment and the Saint-Denis government. Saint-Denis is in the suburb of Paris and one of the first communist cities in France. Of course, it would have been called Thorezville after FDSR's "independance"). The Seine and Paris itself are heavily fortified, the FDSR wanting to avoid the departure en masse of refugees to the French Republic. Actually, the only "Paris Wall" would be in the subway network and in the sewers, the Seine itself being the Wall with all bridges either destroyed or guarded.
This, of course, implies that parts of Belgium and the Netherlands are Communist, though, or at least Finlandized. So is Denmark.
Even if the Soviets were to conquer all of Germany after a failed D-Day, I can't see it happen, though, unless you have both no Free France and a Vichy Regime openly allied with Germany and a fitter USSR and the end of the war. The Soviet Bloc is on the Rhine, and on par with USA strategically (I assume nuclear parity is reached earlier, in 1947 or 1948, to avoid the nuclear strike that would inevitalily follow any Soviet attenpt in Western Europe). I'll indulge in ASB, though.
France being treated as an enemy power, you *could* have a Soviet occupation zone from the Swiss border to a Lille-Rouen line (the shore is out of question, the Brits would space out), with the Seine as the main border (I assume that French colonies have either gaines their independance or under British-US "supervision"). Americans support a liberal market regime (maybe with former, moderate Vichysts), Soviets support their own "national-communist" government, and when France is granted total sovereignity again by the Western Allies, The Soviet-backed governement declares its sovereignity over all of the French Territory, known as the French Democratic Socialist Republic. However, the FDSR is only composed of the former Soviet occupation zone. Although considerable tension arise, war is avoided until Stalin's death, each regime calling for each other's destruction (the Bordeaux goverment and the Saint-Denis government. Saint-Denis is in the suburb of Paris and one of the first communist cities in France. Of course, it would have been called Thorezville after FDSR's "independance"). The Seine and Paris itself are heavily fortified, the FDSR wanting to avoid the departure en masse of refugees to the French Republic. Actually, the only "Paris Wall" would be in the subway network and in the sewers, the Seine itself being the Wall with all bridges either destroyed or guarded.
This, of course, implies that parts of Belgium and the Netherlands are Communist, though, or at least Finlandized. So is Denmark.
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What was the name of that graphic novel based on the idea of a communist France and a Free France
What was the name of that graphic novel based on the idea of a communist France and a Free France
Germany wins WWI. They gain a slice of Lorraine and Flanders for their new Belgian puppet. The French troops fighting on the Western front fall under the influence of a charismatic Marxist general. Although their supplies are still shite, they are finally fighting for something they can believe in; equality. The Coms make it to Paris as the French government relocates to Orleans. The French government is assisted by the BEF, fighting foe inferior from the German troops they are used to. The neutral Americans send an EF to both France and Russia after their own Red Scare in the rust belt.
Germany, facing communist revolutions on its east and west and a major civil war raging between the many factions of a collapsed Austria-Hungary faces their own major communist uprisings in Bavaria and newly aquired Lorraine.
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Germany, facing communist revolutions on its east and west and a major civil war raging between the many factions of a collapsed Austria-Hungary faces their own major communist uprisings in Bavaria and newly aquired Lorraine.
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