Agent Lavender: The Flight of Harold Wilson
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Stolengood
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You're too late; EVERYBODY has nominated this thread for the Turtledoves. Haven't you ever heard of the Search function, man?
Garrison
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You're too late; EVERYBODY has nominated this thread for the Turtledoves. Haven't you ever heard of the Search function, man?
Yes but based on past attempts to use it the board has no threads...
Stolengood
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Search in the Turtledove awards thread next time, man; you'll be surprised.Yes but based on past attempts to use it the board has no threads...
I only came to this forum for Thande's OTL maps - but this is interesting - well done.
Serious question, if put aggressively: what happens to the Democrat Party internally, in terms of defections, splits, and also structure, organisation etc?
Because if the Lab... Democrat party merely changes its name and (not at its own request) leader, and still retains its cosy old sclerotic 70s structure of being run by a gerontocratic NEC made up of Vic Feather, Jack Jones and Hugh Scanlon, with such as Roy Jenkins and A. Wedgwood-Benn representing the leadership of the 'PDP', I don't see mid-70s patriotic blue-collar On The Buses-watching Joe Public buying the idea of such a party being all that different from that led not so long ago by Mr Scapegoat who (as the narrative would certainly have been) pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for twelve years while he was busy being a Commie traitor.
I only ask because if so, Roy's hardly going to be in a position to say
"I’m sure you know it now falls to me to pick up the pieces that are left by the chaos you have wrought.”
because all that will fall to him will be doing a Lansbury act of presiding over an opposition of 46 or so MPs.
Serious question, if put aggressively: what happens to the Democrat Party internally, in terms of defections, splits, and also structure, organisation etc?
Because if the Lab... Democrat party merely changes its name and (not at its own request) leader, and still retains its cosy old sclerotic 70s structure of being run by a gerontocratic NEC made up of Vic Feather, Jack Jones and Hugh Scanlon, with such as Roy Jenkins and A. Wedgwood-Benn representing the leadership of the 'PDP', I don't see mid-70s patriotic blue-collar On The Buses-watching Joe Public buying the idea of such a party being all that different from that led not so long ago by Mr Scapegoat who (as the narrative would certainly have been) pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for twelve years while he was busy being a Commie traitor.
I only ask because if so, Roy's hardly going to be in a position to say
"I’m sure you know it now falls to me to pick up the pieces that are left by the chaos you have wrought.”
because all that will fall to him will be doing a Lansbury act of presiding over an opposition of 46 or so MPs.
Tovarich
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Only if in retaliation for the '54 final being a NATO plot (Puskas was never offside!)
Jack and I met last week and we are aiming to get something out before February. As ever, please don't get your hopes up as that isn't a concrete commitment. It takes a while to get back into our stride for this - 8,000 word updates take time!
Thanks for reading, it's always good to hear from someone new. Your questions about the Democratic Party are entirely valid, and will be answered in full (I hope) in Part Three. We plan on having a chapter set around the time of Labour's (for they still are Labour before the flashforward, they've changed their name by Christmas 1976 though) special conference that Benn keeps banging on about. The conference will address more than just the proposed name change, put it that way.
I'm somewhat late to this thread (which is very good), but am most surprised to see my handle from another forum referred to here, Iain!
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Hopefully - Meadow and I will be starting Part III this weekend.
In the meantime, you may have noticed that we have very kindly been nominated for the race to see who comes second to Rumsfeldia in the 2014 Turtledoves for Continuing Cold War timeline. If you really like us, why not vote for us? We have been spelt incorrectly - but that will not irk us too much!
In the meantime, you may have noticed that we have very kindly been nominated for the race to see who comes second to Rumsfeldia in the 2014 Turtledoves for Continuing Cold War timeline. If you really like us, why not vote for us? We have been spelt incorrectly - but that will not irk us too much!
By the way, Enoch Powell has been nominated for Best New Character in AH.
Roem and I are going to be incredibly conflicted if he wins.
'It's such a privilege to have been recognised for our efforts to tell the story of one of the 20th century's most, er, fascinating figures... to finally show the fun side of... *deep breath* ...Enoch Powell...'
I'm (jokingly) annoyed that for a TL about master spies, suave future Lib Dem leaders, lovable academics, principled cabinet ministers and military sort-of-dictators, you lot nominated the one character whose only actual activity in the story is going to the pub a lot
Wow, we weren't expecting that. We're both big fans of Drew's work so we've kind of got used to the idea of him dominating the Cold War category this year. Still, it's early days, and while we're currently in the lead, a lot of members have yet to wake up - and there's 13 days to go!
Thank you to everyone who has voted. I'm working on the next chapter right now, and I know Roem and I are going to try to coordinate something on Sunday. As ever, that's very definitely not a promise - unless a date is on a poster, it's not a deadline
Stolengood
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In retrospect, maybe I should've nominated Ashdown, or -- horror of horrors! -- Buster Crabb.I'm (jokingly) annoyed that for a TL about master spies, suave future Lib Dem leaders, lovable academics, principled cabinet ministers and military sort-of-dictators, you lot nominated the one character whose only actual activity in the story is going to the pub a lot
In retrospect, maybe I should've nominated Ashdown, or -- horror of horrors! -- Buster Crabb.
Nonsense - you nominated who you liked, and while I had hoped Wilson himself would get a nom, it felt like too much to nominate my own character (as opposed to my own TL, which is more acceptable), Enoch is someone whose observations I always enjoy. Having an unashamedly clever right wing figure not do what you expect of them during a national crisis is always fun!
usertron2020
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Wilson? How could the True Villain of the story get the nod? Remember how many people he's killed with his own two hands, never mind all those he sent to their deaths in his name in the Cold War spy wars. I'm not a fan of capital punishment, but putting him in the Tower of London as a tourist attraction for the public to see what happens when Bad People do Bad Things sounds nice to me. And...it'll allow Wilson to continue his life of Public Service.
Because he's a much more original character than Enoch Powell is ITTL? Not to say that Powell isn't original, but this work has very beautifully created Harold Wilson, Soviet Spy. Why, I would happily have voted for Harold in that poll, even though he's up against one of my own. You two have done a very impressive job constructing Harold. The Christmas Special in particular was excellent, but it's all just very good writing.