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jolo

Johnnyreb said:
Jolo, why wait until the fall of the Roman Empire? What about Numidian legions?

The legionary organisations land-banked, which is to say they bought large areas of land cheaply in out of the way places, to parcel out as farms for retiring soldiers. The wine-growing areas of the Rhone grew out of this practice, as did Romania.

Suppose a number of (predominantly black) legions from Numidia did the same? The legions bought the land somewhere in Europe or even North Britain, et voila, a predominantly black Hadrians Wall.
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That would be funny. Britain might even be a place where that might last. Though I suppose most Africans wouldn't like the weather... :)
 
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jolo said:
That would be funny. Britain might even be a place where that might last. Though I suppose most Africans wouldn't like the weather... :)
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How about in a world where the Romans went a bit further, and conquered part of Ireland, then resettled Numidian troops there in numbers...

Leading to a true Black Irish.:)
 

Umbral

Hmm...a few more Legions recruited from Africa in the twilight of the roman empire? From Ethiopia and similar areas. Any emperor which could have tried to raise troops there?

Then when the Legions abandon britain, one of the generals decide to set himself up as a king in the power vacuum, rather than become just another claimant to the purple?

Leading to black legions facing the Saxons?
 

fhaessig

jolo said:
Afaik, the Iberian peninsula used to be black before other peoples got the upper hand just a few thousand years ago - .
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I'm not quite sure what time you mean. It would have to be pre-celtic, so that's more than 3,000 year ago. At this point, the only people I know for sure were there are the Basques, Iberes and Tartessos peoples. The later are said to be kin to Berbers, but I don't think that counts as black. Iberes were caucasians and Basques are ... well, Basques, but definitely not black.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibères

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos
 
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Tom Veil

A giant comet hits the Western Sahara in 3000 BC, forming a large round lake. The dust from the comet cools the planet considerably over the next couple years, but more importantly sets off a reaction that drastically lowers the amount of greenhouse gases over the next few centuries. As a result, for the next 500 years or so the Sahara is much wetter, and the forests that disappear in OTL barely hang on, facilitating a massive extension of the periphery Ancient Age's Fertile Crescent, from OTL Liberia all the way to the Doab. As a result, a large number of African-race clans become acculturated, esp. by the early Ethiopian, Egyptian, Ligurian, Basque, and Phoenecian socieities.

Europe north of the Alps and all of Siberia remain glacial. The branch of Indo-Europeans who have completely adapted to lower sunlight of the extreme northdon't diversify nearly as much and the Romantic, Celtic, and Germanic clans are all eventually wiped out in wars with the Scythians, Dravidians, and Chinese.

As a result, black and mixed-color societies are well accounted for in Europe by the time that temperatures warm and early agriculture has turned North Africa and the Middle East into their familiar desert form.
 
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Umbral said:
Hmm...a few more Legions recruited from Africa in the twilight of the roman empire? From Ethiopia and similar areas. Any emperor which could have tried to raise troops there?

Then when the Legions abandon britain, one of the generals decide to set himself up as a king in the power vacuum, rather than become just another claimant to the purple?

Leading to black legions facing the Saxons?
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A Black King Arthur!!!!:cool:
 

Max Sinister

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Wouldn't such a big comet have major impact on early humanity? If it forms a lake big enough to change the Sahara climate measureably (read: at least 100,000 sq km, and 50 meters deep), it'd have to have a size bigger than 10 km. That'd be actually a planet-killer. Nuclear winter, only worse.
 
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Tom Veil said:
A giant comet hits the Western Sahara in 3000 BC, forming a large round lake. The dust from the comet cools the planet considerably over the next couple years, but more importantly sets off a reaction that drastically lowers the amount of greenhouse gases over the next few centuries. As a result, for the next 500 years or so the Sahara is much wetter, and the forests that disappear in OTL barely hang on, facilitating a massive extension of the periphery Ancient Age's Fertile Crescent, from OTL Liberia all the way to the Doab. As a result, a large number of African-race clans become acculturated, esp. by the early Ethiopian, Egyptian, Ligurian, Basque, and Phoenecian socieities.

Europe north of the Alps and all of Siberia remain glacial. The branch of Indo-Europeans who have completely adapted to lower sunlight of the extreme northdon't diversify nearly as much and the Romantic, Celtic, and Germanic clans are all eventually wiped out in wars with the Scythians, Dravidians, and Chinese.

As a result, black and mixed-color societies are well accounted for in Europe by the time that temperatures warm and early agriculture has turned North Africa and the Middle East into their familiar desert form.
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Interesting premise, but I don't think your comet strike will work that way.

Instead of lowering greenhouse gasses, high powderized ejecta could block out significant solar radiation, also lowering temps.

But the problem with the Sahara isn't the heat; its the humidity (or lack thereof).
 
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