Since starting my account a few weeks I have, in between school and course work, thinking of what to write first.
My main idea has been a timeline involving a POD with an altered Battle of Poitiers in which the Dauphins Charles (OTL Charles V)and Louis, and John (of Berry), as well as the King’s uncle by extension, did not leave the battlefield and joined the final attack, and that during a ensuing, more violent melée, the Anglo-Gascon forces, after taking heavier casualties than OTL, adopt a no quarter policy (which the French forces did OTL by raising the Oriflamme), resulting in the death of John II (King of France) as well as his three sons present (Charles, Louis, and Philip, and John).
It occurred to me that the project I sought to undertake would be extensive, and so I thought that before diving into it that I would get some opinions of the point of divergence. See, for example, from my reading on the battle, it seems that the Anglo-Gascon forces came close to breaking at some points, being reinvigorated by reinforcements attacking the French rear; I therefore wonder whether the additional forces (around 1,600 men) could have made some key difference.
I do also wonder the plausibility, vis-a-vis chivalry and ransom potential (as OTL), as to whether the Black Prince would be willing to condone the slaughter of a King and his princes, but my stipulation as to their death was in order to speculate the course of war in such as sudden power vacuum; the Jacquerie and schemes of figures such as Etienne Marcel and Charles of Navarre were already destructive enough with only the capture of John II and his youngest son;this is the sudden whittling of the Valois down to one 16 year old King (OTL John of Berry). My main question is whether Edward III would just sweep onto the French throne in such as scenario.
So, in conclusion, what are your thoughts?
Edit: After further reading it turns out that John, later Duke of Berry, was in fact present at the Battle of Poitiers, and had left the battle with his other brothers. This drastically alters the POD as it would mean the full re-routing of the House of Valois to the Charles III, Count of Alençon, who would become Charles V (as opposed to his first cousin, once removed, OTL Charles V). However I feel the case of such a movement of the crown to such a minor noble would greatly magnify the claims of both Edward III and Charles II of Navarre.
PS: Would be quite interested to discuss the ramifications of John and his sons being captured as opposed to killed, seeing how, as I myself briefly questioned, their ransom value and diplomatic matters would make that more likely.
My main idea has been a timeline involving a POD with an altered Battle of Poitiers in which the Dauphins Charles (OTL Charles V)
It occurred to me that the project I sought to undertake would be extensive, and so I thought that before diving into it that I would get some opinions of the point of divergence. See, for example, from my reading on the battle, it seems that the Anglo-Gascon forces came close to breaking at some points, being reinvigorated by reinforcements attacking the French rear; I therefore wonder whether the additional forces (around 1,600 men) could have made some key difference.
I do also wonder the plausibility, vis-a-vis chivalry and ransom potential (as OTL), as to whether the Black Prince would be willing to condone the slaughter of a King and his princes, but my stipulation as to their death was in order to speculate the course of war in such as sudden power vacuum; the Jacquerie and schemes of figures such as Etienne Marcel and Charles of Navarre were already destructive enough with only the capture of John II and his youngest son;
So, in conclusion, what are your thoughts?
Edit: After further reading it turns out that John, later Duke of Berry, was in fact present at the Battle of Poitiers, and had left the battle with his other brothers. This drastically alters the POD as it would mean the full re-routing of the House of Valois to the Charles III, Count of Alençon, who would become Charles V (as opposed to his first cousin, once removed, OTL Charles V). However I feel the case of such a movement of the crown to such a minor noble would greatly magnify the claims of both Edward III and Charles II of Navarre.
PS: Would be quite interested to discuss the ramifications of John and his sons being captured as opposed to killed, seeing how, as I myself briefly questioned, their ransom value and diplomatic matters would make that more likely.
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