A Blunted Sickle - Thread II
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Wasn't he killed earlier in the war ?"Merci Gamelin d'avoir changé de plan"
Quietly ushered off into retirement as an alternative to being court-martialled for incompetence after the liberation of Paris.
RIP Baltimore Orioles The Browns move to Los Angeles iOTL was basically torpedoed by Pearl Harbor (transportation restrictions and the undesirability of trying to play on the West Coast with the fear of the Japanese), they later moved to Baltimore.
The question becomes, who is in charge of the OKW at this point. Is it Keitel and if so, are his actions enough to get him the noose. iOTL, most of the problematic orders were in regards to the Eastern Front and the actions of Soldiers toward Jews, neither of which may happen iTTL.
The question becomes, who is in charge of the OKW at this point. Is it Keitel and if so, are his actions enough to get him the noose. iOTL, most of the problematic orders were in regards to the Eastern Front and the actions of Soldiers toward Jews, neither of which may happen iTTL.
That abbreviation can have two rather different meanings depending on one's opinion of him, of course
The fat man has dropped and the war of over shortly thereafter. This much at least is as OTL.
I had not heard of 'the Emperor of Lancashire' beforehand. I suppose it is a song of the era which is pertinent to their home county, but might this chance mean that the song gets an unexpected immortalisation?
The Lockheed Constellation and the DC-6 could fly from New York to Los Angeles in eight hours if they didn't hit any headwinds but if they did then they would have set down somewhere further away from L.A. as the FAA had a maximum flight time of eight hours for pilots.
As for the Browns, they are going to need another West Coast team to make baseball in California to work, so maybe the Philadelphia Athletics make the move to the San Fransisco Bay Area.
Another problem is that Los Angeles Wrigley Field has a capacity of 23,000, and the ownership of the Browns don't have the money to build their own stadium, so that means they are going to have to ask the local government for the money to build it, IOTL the Cleaveland Rams moved to LA in 1946 and the only way that they were allowed to play in the publicly owned LA Memorial Coliseum was for the NFL to allow for Black players to play in the League.
So, if the Browns want public money for a new stadium the price maybe could be an earlier integration of the MLB.
IOTL the Pacific Coast Los Angeles Angels relocated to Spokane WA in 1958 after the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles, the PCL already had a team in San Diego called the Padres but making them the Triple-A affiliate makes sense as San Diego in just a 2-hour train ride from Los Angeles.
As for the Browns, they are going to need another West Coast team to make baseball in California to work, so maybe the Philadelphia Athletics make the move to the San Fransisco Bay Area.
Another problem is that Los Angeles Wrigley Field has a capacity of 23,000, and the ownership of the Browns don't have the money to build their own stadium, so that means they are going to have to ask the local government for the money to build it, IOTL the Cleaveland Rams moved to LA in 1946 and the only way that they were allowed to play in the publicly owned LA Memorial Coliseum was for the NFL to allow for Black players to play in the League.
So, if the Browns want public money for a new stadium the price maybe could be an earlier integration of the MLB.
IOTL the Pacific Coast Los Angeles Angels relocated to Spokane WA in 1958 after the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles, the PCL already had a team in San Diego called the Padres but making them the Triple-A affiliate makes sense as San Diego in just a 2-hour train ride from Los Angeles.
Just to tack onto what has already been said, I don't think Stalin gets out of this looking like anything other than a collaborator with the Nazis.
They've had a cushy relationship for years and Soviet resources fueled the German war machine. Backstabbing them once all the hard work has been done won't erase that. It just looks like a poor attempt to change their PR and steal territory at the same time.
Hitler was head of OKW before he disappeared, with Jodl as deputy. Assume Goering took over the role from Hitler, and Jodl is currently in charge.
Ultimate Stupid ***hole? In this case, US Army.That abbreviation can have two rather different meanings depending on one's opinion of him, of course
It's a George Formby hit from 1941. They're recruited from Bury, Salford and Rochdale so it's the sort of thing I figured would appeal, particularly since they'll be thinking of going home.
If you notice who they've been negotiating with?
- Sam Breadon is the owner of the St Louis Cardinals. His team are a tenant of the Browns at Sportsman's Park, an arrangement he hates, and he's got $5 million in the bank to build himself a new stadium but can't find the land. There's significant funding to be had with him buying Sportsman's Park from the Browns.
- Amadeo Giannini is the chairman and a major shareholder of Bank of America. Yes, that Bank of America. He's based in Los Angeles, lent Walt Disney the funds to make Snow White and underwrote the Golden Gate bridge.
The Constellation first flew in 1943. At least as of 1946, the FAA regarded the eight hour flight time limit as applying to time-controlling-the-plane. So, relief pilots could be carried, and no pilot need approach either their legal limit or a practical limit of tiredness.
This was the first scheduled TWA service LA <--> NYC, in early 1946 using Constellations...with two full cockpit crews: https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/lockheed-l-049a-constellation/
About Entente and the US: Land lease didn't happen in TTL? Did they took big credits from them?
The end of the war at last!
I wonder how the casualty ratios compare to our TL? Although the war was fought over three years rather than six and in only one theatre, I suppose the nature of the fighting, hard slogging over Belgium, will mean the British and French are much the same as OTL, maybe even a little higher for the French. Perhaps 300,000 each? I imagine there will be higher casualties too among the Canadians and French Africans.
Meanwhile, the Germans will suffer far lower casualties, again due to the nature of the short condensed fighting. Perhaps in the realm of 600,000 - 900,000 rather than around 4 million, they suffered OTL.
It's amazing how many dead will be saved and still be alive if you consider it. Perhaps somewhere around:
22 million Soviets
6 million Germans
1 million Yugoslavs
600,000 Hungarians
419,000 Americans
600,000 Greeks
500,000 Italians
500,000 Romanians
100,000 Finns
20,000 Dutch will survive the famine of 1944-45
Total Casualties avoided in Europe: Around 31,740,000
The consequences of these people surviving are staggering to think about. How many artists, mechanics, engineers, writers, scientists, politicians, lawyers, gardeners and just plain good people did we lose in OTL who survived in this TL? The consequences are so profound.
I think we might see France and the UK develop in a manner somewhat recognisable to OTL as a result of their casualties being much the same, but Germany? The USSR? What does Yugoslavia look like without the death of 10% of the population? Or the USSR with the survival of an extra 13.6% of theirs? I know PDF has commented on this before but it really is maddening to think of how many lives could have been saved if the Germans didn't roll sixes during Sicklecut.
Equally, we have a world now that is far more multipolar than in OTL. Not just with the blocs of the USA, the USSR, the Franco-British Entente and the Japanese, but even in Europe as well. How will the Entente reconcile with the Italians? Or manage Balkan affairs without the Cold War freezing things in place?
I'm glad I don't have to figure all this out! Too many butterflies.
I wonder how the casualty ratios compare to our TL? Although the war was fought over three years rather than six and in only one theatre, I suppose the nature of the fighting, hard slogging over Belgium, will mean the British and French are much the same as OTL, maybe even a little higher for the French. Perhaps 300,000 each? I imagine there will be higher casualties too among the Canadians and French Africans.
Meanwhile, the Germans will suffer far lower casualties, again due to the nature of the short condensed fighting. Perhaps in the realm of 600,000 - 900,000 rather than around 4 million, they suffered OTL.
It's amazing how many dead will be saved and still be alive if you consider it. Perhaps somewhere around:
22 million Soviets
6 million Germans
1 million Yugoslavs
600,000 Hungarians
419,000 Americans
600,000 Greeks
500,000 Italians
500,000 Romanians
100,000 Finns
20,000 Dutch will survive the famine of 1944-45
Total Casualties avoided in Europe: Around 31,740,000
The consequences of these people surviving are staggering to think about. How many artists, mechanics, engineers, writers, scientists, politicians, lawyers, gardeners and just plain good people did we lose in OTL who survived in this TL? The consequences are so profound.
I think we might see France and the UK develop in a manner somewhat recognisable to OTL as a result of their casualties being much the same, but Germany? The USSR? What does Yugoslavia look like without the death of 10% of the population? Or the USSR with the survival of an extra 13.6% of theirs? I know PDF has commented on this before but it really is maddening to think of how many lives could have been saved if the Germans didn't roll sixes during Sicklecut.
Equally, we have a world now that is far more multipolar than in OTL. Not just with the blocs of the USA, the USSR, the Franco-British Entente and the Japanese, but even in Europe as well. How will the Entente reconcile with the Italians? Or manage Balkan affairs without the Cold War freezing things in place?
I'm glad I don't have to figure all this out! Too many butterflies.
France lost around 567k civilian and military people, and French Indochina lost 1-1.5 million. I'm not sure if the former figure includes African colonies. Compared to OTL, I'd expect greater military casualties and a greater proportion of Metropolitan French among the dead, but civilian losses would probably be quite a bit lower. Similarly valid for the British.
Speaking of French Indochina, Asia also would avoid a lot of casualties if the Pacific War is entirely avoided. Only Japan, Korea and China would still suffer as long as their war continues.
The more stable colonies (no Italian, Dutch, Belgian and French collapses, no Japanese invasions) should also delay or avoid many wars of decolonization, hopefully with the Europeans leaving without violence as they can no longer bear the costs of the colonies; especially if the less immediate threat of the USSR, better metropolitan performance and unscathed Balkans and Italy make colonies less critical for the defense of France.
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I put together the following to try and understand the post-war environment in the first few years after the war. It's very low effort, someone with more patience than me could put something together very quickly (using a basemap thats not from 2016).
If I was the USA, I'd be pretty worried about European colonial hegemony!
If I was the USA, I'd be pretty worried about European colonial hegemony!
About Royal Navy: I presume, the war being mainly a land affair, the RN was behind the Army and RAF for money and materials allocations? So, I presume they will finish what they started before the war, ie. 5 KGV battleships, 4 Illustrious class carriers, no light and escort carriers, Dido and Fiji class of light cruisers, some destroyers will be built, but not so many as in OTL because the pressure is much smaller, with France holding...
Bomber Command would also presumably be much smaller.
Bomber Command would also presumably be much smaller.
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Thought generating observations!
As a take-off from your points, there's no Great Patriotic War sense for the rank and file of Soviet people, and a somewhat similar sense from US poplulation of what we call The Greatest Generation. Those elements of how people look at themselves post war are absent from those two countries. Their citizens evolve from the Great Depression to what?