Malê Rising

Sulemain

Banned
Ahh, Malatesta was it? The anarchist guy who kinda made northeastern Italy to be a little screwy? Yeah, my brain's blacked out on this too. Guess Italian atheists/anarchists are lower on the memory scale than Melisandre's theology. :p

When you've got a gay Teddy taking on racist Wilson, things kinda slip by!

And anti-Draka Natal, and ze Germans doing well, it's all soo coool!
 
When you said that TTL's 1940s in the US would be a time of, on the surface, relative political harmony, the first thing that came to mind was OTL's '50s, or at least the popular image of it. A more progressive version of the '50s, but still.

That was one of my models. The 40s in TTL will take on some aspects of our 50s: consumerism, the growth of a suburban ideal (as opposed to European urbanism and the urban villages of Russia), consensus politics and a bit of "we have it good, don't rock the boat" conformism. At the same time, there will be some 60s-style questioning of authority and received wisdom, and the management-labor bargain that makes consensus politics possible will be considerably more tilted toward labor. I'm imagining the economics as being a lot like modern Germany, albeit with more emphasis on the big manufacturers and less on the Mittelstand - it helps that the national identity isn't defined by opposition to socialism.

Given that America hasn't experienced anything analogous to OTL's Great Depression, would I be wrong in imagining that pop culture and consumer culture in TTL's '40s are roughly similar to what they were in the '50s IOTL, on top of the political similarities that I took from what you said?

There has been a global depression, and while the epicenter was the UK rather than America, the US did suffer. With that said, it's long enough in the past by this point for a consumerist culture to develop. Pop culture, though, is a bit edgier and more flamboyant than the OTL 50s - the Jazz Age is still in progress, and there's stronger opposition to the moral guardians.

I could see it being like that in Europe, too, with the added benefit of TTL's last great war being decades in the past and Europe having had nearly half a century to recover. And throw on the fact that, unlike IOTL, non-whites are largely sharing in the global prosperity at this point in time... It would be interesting to see what an African or Asian culture's alt-'50s would look like.

We probably won't see 50s-style cultures in Africa or Asia until the actual 50s or later - the economies aren't yet strong enough to sustain that - and there will be a lot of ideological pushback. One country that I do see having an alt-50s in the fairly near future is the Ottoman Empire - oil-driven consumerism is already starting to happen in the big cities. That and Zanzibar are probably the best venues for an Islamic 50s - the Copperbelt is too socially volatile, and the Malê too ideologically priggish (in a good way, of course).

Another thing: IOTL, the term "Boston marriage" had a roughly similar meaning to TTL's "Turkish marriage", only it described relationships between two women, and didn't always have romantic connotations. Granted, the term was coined after the POD (in the 1880s), but the idea of it goes back well before, and given (what I'm guessing is) the roots of the phrase "Turkish marriage" in the male bathhouse scene, I'm guessing some form of alternate term for a same-sex female relationship would come up.

The wordsmith in me quite likes the notion of 'Greek marriages', both as a complementary term to 'Turkish marriages' and a nod to Sappho's origins (although the modern definitions of 'Sapphic' and 'lesbian' only came about at around the same time as the term 'Boston marriage' did), although I can't see it happening in-universe (other than as a lazy comment on traditional Greco-Ottoman relations with a dollop of national stereotyping thrown in)...

The tricky part about a term for female same-sex relationships is that there was no female equivalent to the bathhouse culture - the idea of lesbians as a distinct community (much less part of the same community as gay men) is embryonic if even that. As you point out, the partners to a Boston marriage weren't necessarily lesbians, and the term could apply to any two women living on their own.

I could actually see "Boston marriage" being used in TTL, given that there would still be plenty of turn-of-the-last-century New England bluestockings who find it more socially acceptable to live together than alone. "Sapphism" for the sexual practice also seems natural, or those who prefer euphemisms might use "romantic friendship" (which was also used in OTL, and preserved some ambiguity about whether sex was involved).

Cadorna was only a little worse than his foreign counterparts such as Nivelle, Falkenhayn or Haig, not to mention Sukhomlinov. Broadly speaking, in IOTL's WWI, there was no shortage of generals with little qualms of generals willing to sacrifice their men by the tens of thousands... The Italian general staff (or what passed for it) may be marginally more competent than its IOTL counterparts, but willingness to waste men was a feature in the wars in East Africa IOTL in the 1890's.

Point taken.

So actually I expect the reverse of what you suggest: Italians will get some farmland in Tunisia (though probably not a very large amount; after some point, how much will become political) and will gather in the port "cities" in Eritrea.

Fair enough. Italian influence in Eritrea could still spread fairly widely, because the nomads could carry it to much of Somalia, but there won't be many settlers actually living there - a merchant community in Assab, and maybe the beginnings of one in Aden and other Yemeni ports.

I hadn't realized that there were Italian farmers in Tunisia in OTL. In TTL, agricultural settlement will probably have to be on a willing buyer-willing seller basis - there might be some subsidies and an unofficial thumb on the scale, but its scope would be limited.

Maybe some Italians would go to other people's colonies - Angola and Mozambique, for instance - but my guess is that this wouldn't be enough of an outlet for the surplus population. So, more immigration to the Southern Cone, and more pressure for land reform down south. I could see the politics of the 20s and 30s being very volatile, and given that land reform ITTL is associated with anarchism, there might be a sizable anarchist constituency in the mezzogiorno by this time.

I suspect the German will be divided into two parts, an infantry, light one for "peacekeeping" in Eastern Europe and colonial work, and a core, mechanised force.

Germany's objective is to be able to fight a two-front war against France and Russia, for which it would probably rely heavily on air power and riders. It isn't planning on such a war, and relations with France are fairly good these days, but it doesn't want to be caught the way it was in 1893.

The Germans generally leave the client states to do their own internal policing, but they do have a reaction force in case things get sticky (which they will in Poland within a fairly short time).

For some reason, I always enjoy this TL's take on American electoral politics. No idea why, I just do. The writing is, as ever, sublime, and it's good to see a Civil Rights movement very different from ours, but where the nonviolent streak still wins out - on which note, is there any figure in TTL's Civil Rights to compare in stature to MLK and his peers?

There's no single, towering figure like MLK, given that the movement is more multipolar; instead, there are a number of prominent leaders. We may hear from one or two of them.

I don't think we've had any lesbian or atheist characters yet...

That Firuliano Anarchist was Atheistic...

Malatesta was indeed an atheist, as were most of the others in his movement. There have been several other characters who were skeptics but didn't make too much noise about it - Clemens and TR, for instance.

No lesbians thus far, or at least none whose sexual orientation played a part in the story. That will probably change as the "Turkish marriage" debate expands.
 
Ahh, Malatesta was it? The anarchist guy who kinda made northeastern Italy to be a little screwy? Yeah, my brain's blacked out on this too. Guess Italian atheists/anarchists are lower on the memory scale than Melisandre's theology. :p

To be fair, he was an Atheist IRL too. And he was not originally from Friuli.
 
Maybe some Italians would go to other people's colonies - Angola and Mozambique, for instance - but my guess is that this wouldn't be enough of an outlet for the surplus population. So, more immigration to the Southern Cone, and more pressure for land reform down south. I could see the politics of the 20s and 30s being very volatile, and given that land reform ITTL is associated with anarchism, there might be a sizable anarchist constituency in the mezzogiorno by this time.

A lot of people ended up in Algeria IOTL (though most before WWI), but the limits of such an option ITTL are very obvious.
Another place that had a fairly big Italian emigrant community was Egypt, but of course it was not a farming community.
So yes, I concur with your analysis. The Southern Cone will continue to receive Italian emigrants; at this point, Italian ancestry in Piratini and Uruguay is already probably domininant demographically, or very close to it. I agree with the anarchistic streak of politics in the Mezzogiorno, which by the way existed IOTL until Fascism put a lid on it.
I can see communes emerging, especially in the Appenine area (where sometimes the village is already somewhat of a proto-commune in itself). I can see also South Italian Anarchists emigrating to gaucho republics, where they'll meet NorthEastern Italian Anarchists (as they will in Italy too) and, well, gauchos. Borges* once wrote something to the effect that individualism agaist the excessive pretenses of modern meddlesome States could prove to be Argentinian most important contribution to civilization... ;) Lots of potential.
Piratini will have Garibaldi instead of Martin Fierro, though.

The Italian farmers who to Tunisia might have a closer encounter to some form of Belloist communities, too, but I don't think there will be many anarchists among them. Their atheism won't combine with Belloist views very well anyway.

However, given the marked trend to secularism that the Italian polity has IOTL, it is possible to see a Catholic form of "anarchism" take shape too... TTL's Honduras and Salvador are already providing a precedent.
 
Interlude: A Southern symphony, 1930



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“Air cover says they’ve lost contact, sir.”

Captain Rufus John Longstreet looked around sharply at his executive officer. “Lost contact? How the hell could they manage that?”

“In the swamp? Easy. Now you see it, now you don’t.”

“Well, one way or another, seems to have happened.” Longstreet slumped his shoulders and sighed. “You come from swampland, don’t you, Billy?”

“No, sir,” said the lieutenant, who also answered to Bilali. “Sapelo Island. The Ogeechee Republic.”

“They still call it that?” Longstreet shook his head, but it was more in amusement than anything else. He’d learned a lot about black Georgians these last few years, and the Gullahs’ independent streak had ceased to surprise him. “It’s marsh country, though. Not all that different. Where would you go, if you were them?”

“I imagine they’ve got a camp somewhere, and I bet they don’t move it often enough. Tell them to look for smoke, or for garbage. That’ll lead us to them if we find it.”

“Give the order, Billy.” The captain nodded, satisfied. He’d had his doubts about how a black XO would work out – he respected most of the black officers he’d met, but figured that things went smoother if everyone stayed in their own regiments – but Mahomet was a good troop, and the white soldiers followed him. He’d been good at keeping the peace, too, when fights broke out in camp.

A question suddenly came to him, one he’d wanted to ask for a long time. Maybe today was the right day. “Tell me something, Billy,” he said. “I can understand why the hard-core whites might keep fighting, but the ones we’re going after today are your folk. Why would they keep blowing things up after we came in? Seems like we’re on their side, doesn’t it?”

Lieutenant Mahomet was silent for a long moment, and Longstreet began to wonder if he thought his loyalty was being questioned. It wasn’t – the captain knew Billy was loyal, and he’d been as outraged as anyone else about those holdouts bombing a courthouse when there was supposed to be peace – but the Gullah could be touchy as well as independent. His lips started to form an apology, not that he really needed to be sorry for anything, but keeping the peace was important.

But Mahomet wasn’t insulted; he’d just been thinking. “Seems to me, sir, that they think we came in and stopped them with the job still half-done. We can vote all over Georgia now, not just the Republic, and we can do anything the buck… whites can do, but there are still neighborhoods we can’t buy a house in and stores where we have to use the colored door.”

“Fair enough,” Longstreet admitted – he couldn’t really do otherwise, after his great-grandfather had spent his later years fighting against that nonsense. “But you could fight that with votes and courts now.”

“I guess some people don’t want to wait.”

“Things like that’ll only make it take longer,” the captain answered, and Mahomet nodded: he didn’t want to wait either, but his family had learned patience in the days of slavery, and the special arrangement the Geechee counties had had meant that his relationship with whites was less adversarial than most. “Anyway, go give that order…”

Whatever response the lieutenant might have given was cut off by a corporal running into the tent. “Air cover says it found them!”

“Sir,” Mahomet finished, and the corporal repeated the word. He did that more often with the white troops than the black ones, and Longstreet had thought of saying something to him, but he still had to do it more often with the white troops, and he didn’t have to worry as much that a black soldier’s informality was a mask for disrespect. The captain decided to let it go this time. Black and white would both have to learn to let a lot of things go, if this were going to work.

“Corporal,” he said instead, “get the men together. Billy, time to go to war.”

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“C’mon and sit down, Frank,” said Moreland Lewis expansively. “You know Samuel already, and that’s Young on your left, and over there’s our lovely Laurel.”

Frank Field took a seat and a drink, and looked back at the man making the introductions. Lewis was a dandy in a fifty-dollar suit, a size too small for his personality; he clearly thought he was the leader of this round table, and he just as clearly wasn’t. But those were details. Frank had read his books, full of history and dark family secrets and doomed people straining against the bonds the land placed on them, and he knew that this man’s work would mark the South for generations to come. A chance meeting in a New York bar had led to this invitation, and Frank hadn’t wasted a second in accepting it.

“You’re the man from the Times?” asked Young Daniels. A poet, that one, but he’d tried his hand at novels too: brisk and modern where Lewis’ were florid, and all the more jarring where their themes were rural counties and ancient feuds.

“The very one, Mr. Daniels.” Lewis’ jovial tone belied his formality. “He’s come to drink with the belles of Southern lettres, and tell all the New Yorkers that we might blow each other to hell but we at least write good stories about it.”

“He’s in the wrong place, then. The only belle here’s Laurel.”

Field joined the general laughter – a bit more than the joke really warranted, but the number of empty glasses on the table were all the explanation that was necessary – but found his attention turned to the woman of whom Daniels had spoken. She was a poet too, and a playwright; in that she was no different from the others. But it wasn’t long ago that no one would have asked a person of her shade to a gathering like this, and she’d never have been admitted to a Royal Street nightclub even if someone had asked her.

“I’ll certainly be writing about Miss Wilson too,” Frank said. “I’m planning an overview of what the South is producing…”

“What part of the South, Frank?” asked Samuel Harris, the other one who Field had met that evening at the Park Hotel bar. “Here in Mobile? Tennessee? Florida? Virginia? We aren’t all the same.”

“I think he’s figured that out, with me at the table,” Laurel answered. There was laughter again, but with an edge of nervousness this time. “You’re right, no two places are the same. But there are things that set all of us apart from the rest of the country, and they’ve got into our soul.”

“You think there’s one Southern literature, then? Virginia and Alabama, black and white?”

“No, Mr. Field, I didn’t say that. You’ll notice there are two places Sam didn’t mention. South Carolina. Mississippi. They’ve been telling a different story for a long time – could you imagine Moreland’s books set there? And black and white, country and city, the mountains and the coast – they’ve been telling different stories. But now we’ve got a chance to come together again. Give it twenty years, and maybe there will be one Southern literature.”

“When I write your story, Miss Laurel?” Young said, raising the wine bottle and filling her glass.

“Or when she writes yours,” said Moreland.

“Or that,” said Frank. He said something else too, but it was lost as steel drums and electric guitars announced the evening’s entertainment, and he settled for another drink.

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“I think you may want to find yourself another church,” said Pastor Fredericks.

“You saying I’m not welcome here, reverend?”

The pastor thought of ways to temporize, but decided against all of them. “That’s exactly what I’m saying, Johnny. I don’t think you’ll fit in with us, and I know you don’t agree with us. There are other places you can worship.”

“No Freedom Riders in this church, is that it? We’re children of a different God?”

“We don’t believe in killing here. The kind you did, or the kind the Yellowhammers did to our families to get even for what you did.”

“I don’t believe in it either, pastor. You know I’ve repented of it.”

“You don’t do it any more, Johnny, but that’s not the same thing…”

“What the hell do you know, reverend?” Johnny’s voice was suddenly sharp and angry where before it had been resigned. “I repented of it, all right. When we blew up that bank back in ’27, we didn’t know that there’d be a school trip going through it when the bombs went off. I killed kids, reverend. You know what it’s like to have that on your soul? I’ve been living with that every damn day, and you think I didn’t repent?”

“No, I don’t know what it’s like to have that on my soul,” Fredericks answered, trying to regroup. “But if you did repent, God knows it. You don’t need this church for that.”

“That’s where you’re wrong, pastor.” The former Freedom Rider was calm again, preternaturally so. “You think I came here just ‘cause I like getting treated like trash? If I just wanted to be seen in church, I could go to the one on Seventh Avenue – plenty of old Riders there, even the reverend. That ain’t the only one around here either.”

“All right, then,” said Fredericks. He’d decided somehow, without conscious thought, that Johnny had at least earned the right to say his piece before leaving. Maybe it was the rawness of his confession, maybe it was something else. “Why did you come here, then?”

“Because the folks on Seventh Avenue think they won. You’re still fighting.”

“Yes.” That wasn’t the answer the minister had been looking for, and his voice was altogether more thoughtful. “Yes, we are. Not your kind of fighting, though, Johnny.”

“There’s a time to fight with guns, reverend, like in slavery days, and don’t tell me you have a problem with what they did.” Fredericks couldn’t have denied that even if he’d wanted, not with a picture of armed Underground Railroad guides just inside the door, and not when the Titusville Baptist Church had itself been a stop on the railroad. “And when the Yellowhammers were killing us, too, though I know you won’t agree with that. But there’s a time to put down the guns and fight them with shame, like they did in Java. You’re fighting the battle we need to fight now. I want to join it.”

“You do? You’ll have to break bread with Sadie Mayes, you know. Cop shot her husband a couple hours after your boys attacked that police station – he never knew anything had happened, but they were jumpy.”

“I can face Miz Mayes. And the others. Can’t face the enemy if you don’t have the guts to face your friends.”

“We’re your friends, then?”

“Why not? You were brave, and you’re fighting a godly fight.” Johnny turned to go, noting the time that services would be held that Sunday. “I hope you realize someday that we were yours, too.”

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“Saint Helena Island, comin’ up in a few minutes,” called the conductor from the front of the ferry. “Y’all gettin’ out at St. Helena Island, start gettin’ your things together now.”

Rebecca Felton reached under her seat for her bag, then realized she’d put it on the bench after her neighbors had got off at the Parris Island naval station. The boat was light in the water by now, and it chugged slowly past marshy coastline and rising shorebirds.

The people still in the ferry didn’t seem in much of a hurry either. The inner Sea Islands were close enough to the mainland that a bridge could easily have been built, but the Sea Islanders didn’t want one – they liked living on islands just fine, and they preferred the slower pace of a place slightly removed from the world.

“St. Helena Landing,” the conductor called, and the ferry was indeed pulling up to a dock, set on a point of solid ground that rose out of the salt marsh. The boat pulled in smoothly – the captain was a master at his craft – and Rebecca joined the line of people waiting to debark.

There was a step up to the dock, and it was daunting for someone of her years. Her neighbor must have noticed her hesitation, because he held out a hand and asked, “Help you up, ma’am?” She flinched instinctively from his touch, but then remembered where she was, followed closely by the recollection that she was more than ninety years old.

“Thanks, don’t mind if I do,” she said, and took the offered hand. Her companion saw her safely to the pier, and took his leave with a “good day to you, ma’am.”

You wouldn’t say that if you knew who I was, she thought, but he didn’t know, and why should he? The number of white people who lived on St. Helena Island could be counted on the fingers of both hands, but everyone had white friends or business associates in Beaufort and Charleston, and to his mind, she was just an old white lady come to visit someone or other. Which, as it happened, she was.

There was a group of stores just past the old sign that said “ST. HELENA ISLAND – SEA ISLAND REPUBLIC,” and they weren’t all Afro-modern like the ones in Beaufort – they were a hundred percent Southern, most of them houses from before the war. She passed the first one, saw tables on the veranda and smelled cooking, and she suddenly realized how famished she was. Famished enough that she didn’t care what color the owner was.

That worthy proved to be a Gullah woman of indeterminate age with the look of a root-doctor about her. “Come on, sit down,” she said, motioning Rebecca to a corner table. She didn’t bother taking any orders, just set down a bowl of shrimp boil, a plate of red rice and hoppin’ john, and a tall cup of lemonade.

Rebecca ate, more bemused than anything, and noticed the stack of newspapers by the front door – five or six of them, including what looked like the Freetown and Monrovia dailies. The tablecloths came from across the ocean too, and the plate was fine copper with the mark of a local mill. They liked things slow here, but they weren’t the childlike villagers Rebecca had once imagined them to be. No, not in the least.

Her hunger satisfied, she realized that it was noon, and even in May it was already getting hot. She wondered if she could make it where she was going, and when she asked directions of a delivery-man on a motorbike, he evidently wondered the same thing. “You’ll never get there walking, ma’am,” he said, patting the seat. “Hop on, I’ll take you.”

She realized, with a shock that was visceral even after this long, that he was inviting her to sit behind him and hold onto his waist. Even with everything new in the South, and even with her the age she was, such a casual invitation would be beyond a Georgian’s imagining. She almost turned and started walking – but she wasn’t in Georgia, and when in Geechee country…

She wondered, as the driver kicked off, how it would feel. After a nervous minute, it turned out not to feel like anything at all. What she felt instead was the wind in her face and the exhilaration of speed, and what she saw was the tidy houses and farms and tabby mills. They looked African – old slave quarters, many of them, built out and improved for the yeomen who’d been living in them these seventy years.

“Looks like pure Africa to you?” the driver said, and she realized she must have spoken out loud. His accent was Krio, not Gullah. “To us, they look like pure Georgia.” Rebecca was about to demur, but then saw the clothes drying on the lines, and the women sipping sweet tea in front of the houses.

This is how we wanted it, didn’t we? Them in their place and we in ours? Can’t get much more their place than this. But in those days we never realized how much of them was in us, and how much of us had got into them.

And with that, she realized that the motorbike had pulled up to their destination.

She dismounted, offered her thanks, and wandered up a well-traveled walk to a house by the sea. There was a single stone in the yard, and someone had put a bench up facing it: evidently she wasn’t the only one to make this journey. “TUBMAN,” it said, “Born Madison, MD, March 10, 1820. Died Columbia, SC, May 14, 1922.”

A laugh welled up from nowhere and came to Rebecca’s lips. So March 10 will be her birthday forever. She always said she picked it out of a hat – she wasn’t sure what year she was born, let alone the day. Good as any other, I guess.

She breathed in, and exhaled heavily. “Well, Miss Harriet,” she said. “’Bout time I came to see you. Always should see a person at home. Sorry I never dropped by when you were alive – I was scared, I guess, but turns out there was nothing to be scared of. Never too late to learn, I guess.”

She was silent for a while. “Sorry it took me so long to realize, too. I figured out slavery and lynching were wrong, but there was something else behind it all, and I never saw it until the bombing. Did you hear me, when I got up on the floor of Congress and said you’d been right all along? Cost me the election, but I was about ready to give it all up anyway. Time for someone else to make the future, and there’s no future here unless it’s for us both.

“But you know that, don’t you? You’re Southern soil now, of course you know. We’ll all be Southern soil before too long.”
 

Sulemain

Banned
J.E., your command of the English language continues to inspire and uplift, and I'm not afraid to say I weeped at that last line.
 
So, all this will bring a shared Southern identity that isn't Neo-Confederate? Or that is not Neo-Confederate in an implicitly racist way at any rate?
 
I was touched by Rebecca Felton's conversation with Miss Harriet. Seems like the perfect end to her conversion away from white supremacy. The whole post shows that the U.S. is on the cusp of a new age.
Is there a chance to hearing what's gone on in Turkestan anytime soon?
 
So, Jonathan, apparently your case is making waves in lawyer circles. My grandmother (a now retired lawyer) just came to dinner raving about your work as a lawyer and how good of a guy you are to fight for that guy. Hopefully now that I've explained your writing you have a new reader.
 

Sulemain

Banned
So, Jonathan, apparently your case is making waves in lawyer circles. My grandmother (a now retired lawyer) just came to dinner raving about your work as a lawyer and how good of a guy you are to fight for that guy. Hopefully now that I've explained your writing you have a new reader.

Calling it now: J.E. ends up on the New York Court of Appeals by 2030.
 
Well, damn. Not much I can say about that. Damned impressive piece of writing there, JE.

I was thinking along similar lines for that POV piece I mentioned, where I was planning to take a white man and a black man in the nadir of racial relations and show their evolution as events transpired, but there's not much message wise that wasn't achieved in this post. I think that I'll bow out of that part.

The only other thing I had been thinking of was a short collection of POVs from across the country listening to the radio as the bombing took place, to illustrate the wide variety of viewpoints and cultural situations that have grown ITTL USA. IE, a man in a German Milwaukee neighborhood, a much expanded Chinatown on the West Coast, some Christian Arabs, etc. I still might write that for you if you're interested, though I can't guarantee a timeline with my current work schedule.
 
And it is very gratifying to see Civil Rights triumph without the need for African-Americans to be entangled in a shared project of world power projection. I still think that OTL shame and the embarrassing inexpediency of attempting to dominate a world of nominally independent nations on a nominally anti-colonial platform while maintaining a racist order formally at home were major factors in Civil Rights having opportunities and leverage within the system.

I've been seeing indications and hearing suggestion towards this but so far I've failed to fully understand the matter. I've even posted this thread to gather information but so far it looks like people are generally oblivious. It does sounds like a conspiracy theory so if this is true then it begs for adequate explanation.
 
Another place that had a fairly big Italian emigrant community was Egypt, but of course it was not a farming community.

True enough. I'd expect that Egypt will have at least as many Italian and Greek immigrants in TTL as in OTL, given its position as a center of trade. Armenians too - Alexandria will be a very polyglot city.

So yes, I concur with your analysis. The Southern Cone will continue to receive Italian emigrants; at this point, Italian ancestry in Piratini and Uruguay is already probably domininant demographically, or very close to it.

The gaucho republics are Italo-Spanish societies in OTL, and probably more so in TTL; I'd expect that a majority of the population has some Italian ancestry albeit with a great deal of intermarriage between Italian and Spanish settlers.

I agree with the anarchistic streak of politics in the Mezzogiorno, which by the way existed IOTL until Fascism put a lid on it. I can see communes emerging, especially in the Appenine area (where sometimes the village is already somewhat of a proto-commune in itself).

If villages already functioned as proto-communes in southern Italy, then it might not be much of a stretch for them to adopt the ideological trappings, especially if doing so becomes part of the land reform struggle. And I agree that it's likely to spill over to the Southern Cone.

Catholic quasi-anarchism would be an interesting development, and I can actually see the Salvadoran exiles in Honduras being inspirational to Italians (or Spaniards for that matter) fighting for land ownership.

Man, the conspiracy theories about the July 4th bombings TTL will be interesting...

Damn right - there won't be much doubt about who actually planted the bombs or his history with white supremacist militias, but plenty of people will claim that it was a setup or a false-flag operation. They'll be fringe, like the 9/11 truthers, but they'll be persistent.

So, all this will bring a shared Southern identity that isn't Neo-Confederate? Or that is not Neo-Confederate in an implicitly racist way at any rate?

There could end up being several Southern identities, some shared and some not - the battle over the next half-century or so will be to determine which of these identities holds the allegiance of the majority.

I doubt that a neo-Confederate identity is one that nonwhites can share, but it might be less toxic in an environment where the civil rights question has been more definitively settled.

I was touched by Rebecca Felton's conversation with Miss Harriet. Seems like the perfect end to her conversion away from white supremacy. The whole post shows that the U.S. is on the cusp of a new age.

Felton has only a few months to live at this point (she's already four months past the date she died in OTL), and she wanted to visit her old friend and make amends. It did seem like a fitting end to her journey.

And yes, the South and the whole US are changing quickly. The shakeout will take a long time, though.

Is there a chance to hearing what's gone on in Turkestan anytime soon?

Yes, I'm actually planning to visit it during this narrative cycle - I'll include it with either Russia or China.

I was thinking along similar lines for that POV piece I mentioned, where I was planning to take a white man and a black man in the nadir of racial relations and show their evolution as events transpired, but there's not much message wise that wasn't achieved in this post. I think that I'll bow out of that part.

The only other thing I had been thinking of was a short collection of POVs from across the country listening to the radio as the bombing took place, to illustrate the wide variety of viewpoints and cultural situations that have grown ITTL USA. IE, a man in a German Milwaukee neighborhood, a much expanded Chinatown on the West Coast, some Christian Arabs, etc. I still might write that for you if you're interested, though I can't guarantee a timeline with my current work schedule.

I'd be interested in seeing either or both, actually - there's always more of the story to be told. I haven't focused much on the border states as opposed to the Deep South - maybe you could take a closer look at Virginia, Tennessee or Texas. It's up to you, but anything you want to write would be welcome.

Calling it now: J.E. ends up on the New York Court of Appeals by 2030.

Naaah, too political.

Southern Africa next - I really mean it this time.
 
Fantastic pair of updates, J.E.! I will echo sentiments made earlier that that last line to Tubman being Southern soil got me a little choked up, that's the way things ought to have been from so long ago...alas :(.

The first update...wow. I know things have to get worse before they get better (in a roundabout way, this entire dynamic is like a bandaid; leave it on too long, and it'll hurt worse when it gets taken off), but damn it's depressing reading about such material. I do have to point out that having "two Souths" really helps here, in that much of the common wisdom of the day, about "blacks being inferior" and "keeping them in their place", is publicly undermined by the existence and relative success of Gullah-influenced/quasi-Caribbean South Carolina, as well as the status of Mississippi and Texas (although in the latter's case, there's the fact that it's rather more Upper South than Deep South, not to mention the German and Hispano influences that exist there, in character and racial categorization which make things a bit easier for folks there to swallow). Rebecca Fulton's example is a perfect way to frame how such racial bigotry could've been potentially rendered unacceptable even to those in the heart of Dixie, by being put in a light that's fundamentally un-American and/or ungodly (even the Confederate States considered their "way of life" as ultimately American as the experience of the North), thus robbing such mentality and attitudes of legitimacy and public currency. If I'm reading the update correctly, it has the "Jim Crow States" of Alabama, Georgia, Virginia and Florida being put aright despite violence and/or oppression to the contrary; if nothing else, it seems the Civil Rights movement is being achieved in a patchwork pattern, almost as if they were rain drops on a car hood, spreading and connecting with each other, reinforcing each other. I would point out that Virginia's status would probably carry over into either North Carolina and/or Tennessee, but that's not such a major point given how much differently the Jim Crow era has already turned out to be.

The second update is a nice little character piece "framing" the whole deal, and I do admit to being rather pleased at the notion of a Dixie officer named Longstreet getting on well with a black XO, even with the backdrop of hunting terrorists in the swamplands. Furthermore, the Gullahs (a group I find fascinating even in OTL, let alone how prominent they've become ITTL) really do have a manner and culture all their own, to their credit (much like, as you've said, Texas has) and it really does show here and there. The bit about "different" Southron experiences being contrasted and examined in brief was neat, and it really is amazing just how much of a spectrum we see in the region in terms of what it means to be there (which is the case in OTL, and even moreso ITTL given again the "two Souths" dynamic). I've nothing to say about the interplay between Fredericks and Johnny, other than it's pretty gripping stuff. And now that I think about it, the bit with Rebecca Felton's trip to the Sea Island Republic really does bring out a small but IMO crucial detail; how the example of South Carolina ITTL is both exactly what the Jim Crow-ers want and nothing at all like what they want at the same time. As Felton points out herself, African Americans and the South are intertwined, and to diminish one is to do so to the other...which makes all this racial hatred, oppression and savagery that much more tragic and unjust all around.
 
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Per Capita GDP (PPP), Selected States, 1935 (2014 international dollars) [1]:


Europe:

Austria: 6,528
Belgium: 8,660
Bohemia: 8,084
Carniola: 3,941
Dalmatia: 4,267
Denmark: 8,582
France: 7,352 (Metropolitan France: 9,441; Senegal: 6,428; Algeria: 5,270; Soudan: 2,295)
Italy: 5,370
Germany: 12,771
Greece: 3,227
Hungary: 3,796
Ireland: 4,642
Netherlands: 11,035
Poland: 4,968
Portugal: 3,540
Romania: 2,353
Serbia: 2,217
Slovakia: 5,263
Spain: 4,917
Sweden-Norway: 6,825
Switzerland: 11,960
United Kingdom: 7,950


Africa:

Adamawa: 2,960
Barotseland: 3,715
Bornu: 1,944
Buganda: 1,757
Egypt: 2,553
Ethiopia: 2,035 (Eritrea: 3,997; Amhara: 3,061)
Ilorin: 7,649
Kazembe: 6,034
Natal: 4,056
Oyo: 4,227
Rwanda: 1,527
Sokoto: 5,518
South African Union: 3,681 (Cape: 7,057; Orange Free State: 4,985; Basotholand: 2,965)
Toucouleur Empire: 2,826
Omani-Zanzibari Empire: 1,925 (Zanzibar City: 5,746)


Americas:

Argentina: 5,163
Bolivia: 2,745
Brazil: 4,161
Canada: 9,620
Chile: 5,536
Cuba: 7,071
Grão Pará: 2,305
Mexico: 3,710
Paraguay: 3,386
Peru: 3,634
Piratini: 7,355
United States: 13,185
Uruguay: 7,481
Venezuela: 6,017
West Indies: 3,859


Asia:

Aceh: 2,393
China: 1,385
Hyderabad: 1,564
India: 1,871
Japan: 4,359
Korea: 2,557
Madras: 2,738
Malay States: 4,230 (Johor: 7,164)
Manchuria: 1,263
Mysore: 2,952
Ottoman Empire: 5,906
Persia: 3,769
Russia: 3,661
Shirvan: 5,057
Siam: 1,649


Oceania:

Australasia: 11,492
Hawaii: 2,621


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[1] Compare to the data here, which gives historical statistics in 1990 international dollars; as best I can determine, a 1990 dollar is about $1.80 to 1.85 in current dollars, so I adjusted the numbers accordingly.
 
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