Thande
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Thanks. Of course, I can't give anything away at this point
I have begun updating the laconic TL on the Wiki; I've currently put in the dates for the first eight posts out of fifty for this volume. Here we go again...
Look to the West: Thread III, Volume IV (Tottenham Nil)!
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Thanks. Of course, I can't give anything away at this point
I have begun updating the laconic TL on the Wiki; I've currently put in the dates for the first eight posts out of fifty for this volume. Here we go again...
And it's about what, 1860 in the story? So if you carry on to 2019 at about the same rate it will be over 1.6 million words, in 8 or 9 volumes, which would be more than the Harry Potter series.
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I hope I'm more than halfway through by this point. But I honestly don't know. "The tale grows in the telling", to quote Prof Tolkien.
So I haven't been able to find anything on the subject But I've been wondering, there's no book format of the TL is there? I'd adore some sort of paper version of the timeline, though I realise its length may make this difficult, I just find it hard to consume such behemoths as this or Decades of Darkness in the scattered, internet form that TLs on this timeline take. If not, are there any plans? I'm sure many of us would love to buy a book copy.
I'd still like to add to the pile of praise that this TL has so deservedly gathered, the quality of the writing is consistently excellent and engaging, despite the increasingly complex nature of things. Bravo!
I'd still like to add to the pile of praise that this TL has so deservedly gathered, the quality of the writing is consistently excellent and engaging, despite the increasingly complex nature of things. Bravo!
I like long stories (probably because I read quickly), and would like to write one myself eventually (I have about 12k words , consisting of a prologue and parts from a few lines to 90%, of 8 non-sequential chapters, of a fantasy story written, I might post the prologue at some point)
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Thank you. I would like to publish this electronically at some point. If there was ever a paper version, I'd have to employ that same printer Brandon Sanderson uses, which literally just invented a new kind of binding in order to publish one of his books in one volume.
A few thoughts which occurred to me while considering the map(s):
Just 30 years before the UPSA was small and unassuming, but now its color seems to be appearing everywhere. In a few hundred more updates someone could make a creepy .gif of it. If this is just the beginning, I can certainly understand the origins of the Black Scare.
Russia has certainly been busy. I wonder how its budget has been faring. Not very well, I imagine. Was this a factor in its restraint towards Poland? We'll find out eventually. Hopefully the hiatus between parts IV and V will be shorter then the one between III and IV.
It seems that Russia has refrained from annexing Lithuania completely (still, the world map will also have to be updated to account for Russian dominance there). This separation should make future reforms easier, making it less likely for Lithuania to exploit any signs of liberalization to try to break away because it's still a separate entity which can be crushed underfoot without directly influencing the rest of Russia. But it was probably a fortunate accident rather then wisdom. Antagonizing Poland for purely symbollic gains must have not only antagonized it, but also increased its internal cohesion.
It seems that, in Europe at least, this is pretty much it as far as relatively easy Russian expansion is concerned. But will Moscow realize this? Judging by hints Thande has been leaving around, it would seem that the seeds for a potentially rather large anti-Russian alliance have already been sown.
Just 30 years before the UPSA was small and unassuming, but now its color seems to be appearing everywhere. In a few hundred more updates someone could make a creepy .gif of it. If this is just the beginning, I can certainly understand the origins of the Black Scare.
Russia has certainly been busy. I wonder how its budget has been faring. Not very well, I imagine. Was this a factor in its restraint towards Poland? We'll find out eventually. Hopefully the hiatus between parts IV and V will be shorter then the one between III and IV.
It seems that Russia has refrained from annexing Lithuania completely (still, the world map will also have to be updated to account for Russian dominance there). This separation should make future reforms easier, making it less likely for Lithuania to exploit any signs of liberalization to try to break away because it's still a separate entity which can be crushed underfoot without directly influencing the rest of Russia. But it was probably a fortunate accident rather then wisdom. Antagonizing Poland for purely symbollic gains must have not only antagonized it, but also increased its internal cohesion.
It seems that, in Europe at least, this is pretty much it as far as relatively easy Russian expansion is concerned. But will Moscow realize this? Judging by hints Thande has been leaving around, it would seem that the seeds for a potentially rather large anti-Russian alliance have already been sown.
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Last text update, alongside Russian (!) and Chinese (!!). It's literally just a hint for the future, tho'.
I wish we got more insight in the Great Indian Jihad war and William FitzGeorge's story in Bengal.
How does the limited restoration of Denmark and Sweden affect the unified Scandinavian parliament?
The clash between Czech and German nationalism was inevitable once (moderate) Schmidtist ideas were widely accepted by the German public and Bohemia's neighbours started to prosper and offer the Czechs more attractive alternatives to German dominance (independent, neutral kingdom or the multicultural Danubian model).
It would not surprise me if many Czechs end up reconciling with the Habsburgs and ask for their support against the Wettins.
Speaking of Habsburgs, I noticed that Archking Rudolf's foreign policy was recently retconed to be more active.
The military intervention in former Habsburg Poland is new and not mentioned previously.
The 1860-map shows that the "minor border adjustment" in the western Balkan was not that "minor" either.
The RLPC may end up absorbing much of the Indian Board.
It has already established strategically well-placed colonies (Pavlovsk-na-Baravakhul, Erythrea) on the current and future sea routes to India.
I am conflicted about Italy.
North Italy-Tuscany look more pleasant than North Italy alone, but the shape of territory of the Roman Republic in the Italian part of the KottS is so hideous. Like a small worm.
How does the limited restoration of Denmark and Sweden affect the unified Scandinavian parliament?
The clash between Czech and German nationalism was inevitable once (moderate) Schmidtist ideas were widely accepted by the German public and Bohemia's neighbours started to prosper and offer the Czechs more attractive alternatives to German dominance (independent, neutral kingdom or the multicultural Danubian model).
It would not surprise me if many Czechs end up reconciling with the Habsburgs and ask for their support against the Wettins.
Speaking of Habsburgs, I noticed that Archking Rudolf's foreign policy was recently retconed to be more active.
The military intervention in former Habsburg Poland is new and not mentioned previously.
The 1860-map shows that the "minor border adjustment" in the western Balkan was not that "minor" either.
The RLPC may end up absorbing much of the Indian Board.
It has already established strategically well-placed colonies (Pavlovsk-na-Baravakhul, Erythrea) on the current and future sea routes to India.
I am conflicted about Italy.
North Italy-Tuscany look more pleasant than North Italy alone, but the shape of territory of the Roman Republic in the Italian part of the KottS is so hideous. Like a small worm.
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I will probably write more about it in Volume V, I just wanted to end this volume with a brief summary of it to act as a bookend to part #151 at the beginning.
The kingdoms are restored on paper but treated more like subnational viceroyalties (Arandism) so the unified Diet is still there and the one with the real power.
Well, the good thing about the format of TTL is that you can chalk this up to the quotes being from different history books by authors with different axes to grind
I'm sure one could come up with similar "inconsistencies" in OTL based on history books--in fact I know I can, I could "prove" that William Pitt was both pro- and anti- something based on books I own.I'm not entirely happy with the borders of Poland and Lithuania (and I never have been) - I'd much have preferred to base them on the old voivodeships of Poland-Lithuania, but I've never been able to overlay a map satisfactorily to draw a border. This Europe map is ultimately derived from a Centennia one, which allows me to overlay the borders of the pre-1789 (OTL) German states, but it doesn't include internal divisions like the Polish voivodeships.
Well, Italy is one of the areas where...interesting things are going to happen in Volume V...I am conflicted about Italy.
North Italy-Tuscany look more pleasant than North Italy alone, but the shape of territory of the Roman Republic in the Italian part of the KottS is so hideous. Like a small worm.
Inspired by the citizenship discussion in the PMQs thread, what are the Societist and Diversitarian positions on citizenship?
In theory, I think the Diversitarians would encourage a variety of rules, whilst the Societist would officially consider such things nonsensical and have citizenship tests for everyone to show they were truly Societist and no other rules. But in practice the Diversitarians seem to lean to jus sanguinis, and I can see the Societists ending up leaning to jus soli by default.
In theory, I think the Diversitarians would encourage a variety of rules, whilst the Societist would officially consider such things nonsensical and have citizenship tests for everyone to show they were truly Societist and no other rules. But in practice the Diversitarians seem to lean to jus sanguinis, and I can see the Societists ending up leaning to jus soli by default.
I have some that claim Napoleon's victory over Cavaignac was to nobody's surprise and others that (I think correctly) claim it was a major shock, just off the top of my head.Well, the good thing about the format of TTL is that you can chalk this up to the quotes being from different history books by authors with different axes to grind
There's got to be a "Siblinghood of the Pelican" or "Solar Temple" anarchist group, new age cult, or whatever later on.
I concur.
I concur.
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It's been previously established that the Diversitarians mainly incline towards jus sanguinis (in Wostyn's intro to this volume) while the Societists, as you say, are a bit hard to define because they would reject the idea of being anything other than 'a citizen of the world' to quote that Greek fellow.
Heh, nice idea.
Nice one Thande. And we finally find out what happened in Australia.
That suggestion of either Societist Danubia (or otherwise a Societist group in Danubia) is interesting. I guess the Diversitarians(sic) are going to have a token "evil" team-mate.
EDIT: Also, from what I've been able to glean, the Combine's government is a cross between Plato's Republic and a Corporatist system.
That suggestion of either Societist Danubia (or otherwise a Societist group in Danubia) is interesting. I guess the Diversitarians(sic) are going to have a token "evil" team-mate.
EDIT: Also, from what I've been able to glean, the Combine's government is a cross between Plato's Republic and a Corporatist system.
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Alex Richards
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Yeah, Soviet is just the word for 'Council', so it's perfectly reasonable to have it refer to something different
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