Male Claude will be Charles IX of France. Anne of Lorraine is unlikely to exist here and male Renee is unlikely to have Protestant leanings as that OTL was most likely caused by the influence of Marguerite d’Angouleme.
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You will dio better to change Anne’s birth year in both trees and Isabel will be Elizabeth here (no reason to use the OTL spelling if her mother is not Bona)
I figured Anne would name her child after the saint regardless of the gender. As for male Renee, it wouldn't be impossible for him to learn it from somewhere else. I will take what you said about Anne and Isabel (I assumed that was the Poland variation) in consideration.
Anne had some leverage for the daughters and for an eventual second son but I can not see Louis accepting to not name his firstborn son after his father (or himself).
Male Renee would have no reason for getting and applying that leanings as he would be raised mostly in Brittany. Isabella was named for Bona’s mother, Sigismund’s mother and his sisters (he had three with that name as two died young) all used the Elizabeth (polish spelling is Elżbieta) variant.
keeping tracks of all the direct consequences and possible variations is never easy… I also often overlook things in the trees
just let the duc d'Alençon or the duke of Lorraine stand godfather
"The Other Cleves Girl"
Henry VIII m. 1540 Amalia of Cleves
1) William b. 1541 m. Jane Grey
2) Henry b. 1542 m. Mary Queen of Scots
Henry VIII m. 1540 Amalia of Cleves
1) William b. 1541 m. Jane Grey
2) Henry b. 1542 m. Mary Queen of Scots
Is William’s marriage to Jane grey a love match/elopement? That’s the only way I could see it going through. Far likelier that William marries Mary, Queen of Scots while Henry gets some domestic heiress (Jane grey is probably too old for him tho)
Matilda, mother of France and Germany
Matilda of England m. Henry V d. 1125(a) Geoffrey V of Anjou(b)
1a. Bertha b. 1122 m. Frederick of Swabia
2a. Henry VI b. 1124 m. Matilda of England[1]
3b. Matilda b. 1133 m. Eustace I of England[1]
4b. Geoffrey VI of Anjou b. 1134 m. Elizabeth of Vermandois
5b. William b. 1136 m. Maria, Duchess of Aquitaine[2]
1. Children of King Stephen, Stephen renounces Burgundy-Arles in exchange for Matilda renouncing England.
1.Eldest Daughter of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Louis VII, Eleanor of Aquitaine dies after giving birth to Alix of France in 1150.
Matilda of England m. Henry V d. 1125(a) Geoffrey V of Anjou(b)
1a. Bertha b. 1122 m. Frederick of Swabia
2a. Henry VI b. 1124 m. Matilda of England[1]
3b. Matilda b. 1133 m. Eustace I of England[1]
4b. Geoffrey VI of Anjou b. 1134 m. Elizabeth of Vermandois
5b. William b. 1136 m. Maria, Duchess of Aquitaine[2]
1. Children of King Stephen, Stephen renounces Burgundy-Arles in exchange for Matilda renouncing England.
1.Eldest Daughter of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Louis VII, Eleanor of Aquitaine dies after giving birth to Alix of France in 1150.
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Yes, they're obviously small kids when Sigismund II dies. Magnates' paradise.
Henry is the third son and more suitable for the Scottish. And William is closer in age to Jane...
My version of this:
Henry 1540 Amalia of Cleves (b.1517)
1) William, Duke of York (b.1540) m. Mary Queen of Scots (b.1542)
2) Charles, Duke of Richmond (b.1541) m. Lady Katherine Grey (b.1540)
3) Jane (b.1542) m. Albert of Saxony (b.1545) [1]
[1] Butterflies keep this Saxon prince alive.
Better @HortenseMancini ?
Mary of Austria (b.1505-.1558) m Lajos II of Hungary and Bohemia (b.1506-.1526) in 1515
Anne (b.1521-.) m Zygmunt II Augustus, King of Poland (b. 1520-.) with issues
Jadwiga (b.1540-.) m Karl Christian, Elector Palatine (b.1537-.) with issues
Frederick III, Elector Palatine (b. 1560-.)
Dorothea (b. 1563-.)
Maria Christina (b. 1566-.)
Zygmunt III, king of Poland (b. 1542-.) m Anne of Austria (b.1549-.) with issues
Zygmunt IV, king of Poland (b. 1566-.)
Jadwiga (b. 1569-.)
Anna (b. 1572-.)
Elżbieta(b.1545-.) m John III, King of Sweden (b. 1537-.) with issues
John IIISigmund , King of Sweden (b. 1564-.)
Elizabeth (b. 1568-.)
Anna (b. 1572-.)
Sofia (b.1548-.) m Charles II, Duke of Lorraine (b.1543-.) with issues
Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (b.1564-.) m Catherine of Austria (b. 1562-.) with issues
Christina (b. 1566-.)
Maria Antonia (b. 1569-.)
Elizabeth (b. 1572-.)
Alessandro, Duke of Bari (b.1553-.) m Margherita Gonzaga (b.1564-.) with issues
Alessandro Sigomond, Duke of Bari (b. 1580-.)
Maria Eleonora (b. 1582-.)
Vladislaus ,III of Hungary and Bohemia (b.1523-.) m a)Elizabeth of Austria (b.1526-.1546) ,b)Mechthild of Bavaria (b.1532-.) in 1548 with issues
Lajos ,III of Hungary and Bohemia (b.1550-.) m Elizabeth of Austria (b.1554-.) with issues
Vladislaus ,IV of Hungary and Bohemia (b. 1572-.) m
Maria (b. 1574-.)
Maria (b.1552-.) m Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor and Duke of Burgundy * (b. 1551-.) with issues
Maximilian III, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1570-.)
Ferdinand Wenzel (b. 1574-1578)
Maria Anna (b. 1580-.)
István ,Duke of Slavonia(b.1555-.) m Sybil of Cleves (b.1557-.) with issues
Lajos, Duke of Slavonia (b. 1583-.)
Maria (b. 1585. 1589)
Anna Sibylla (b. 1592-.)
Anna (b.1558-.) m Karl Friedrich, Duke of Jülich-Cleves -Berg (b.1557-.) with issues
Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1578-.)
Maria Anna (b. 1581-.)
Mary (b.1526-.) m Albert V, Duke of Bavaria (b.1528-.) with issues
William V, Duke of Bavaria (b.1548-.) m Anna of Saxony (b. 1550-.) with issues
Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria (b. 1570-.)
Maria Anna (b. 1573-.)
Ferdinand, Elector of Cologne (b. 1578-.)
Maria Anna (b. 1550-.) m Ferdinand II, Archduke of Tyrol (b. 1550-.) with issues
Archduke Leopold of Tyrol (b. 1567-.)
Maria Anna (b. 1571-.)
Christina (b. 1575-.)
John , Hereditary prince of Saxony (b.1498-1537) m Elizabeth of Hesse (b.1502-1557)John George, Elector of Saxony (b.1522-.) m Anne of Austria (b.1528-.)
John George ,Elector of Saxony (b.1548-.) m Maria Eleanor of Cleves (b. 1551-.) with issues
John George, Elector of Saxony (b. 1570-.)
Anna (b. 1572-.)
Maria (b. 1574-.)
Sibylla (b. 1578-.)
Anna (b.1550-.) m William V, Duke of Bavaria (b.1548-.) with issues
Izabela of Poland (b.1519-.) m Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1518-1536)
Francis II Sigumond, King of France (b. 1536-.) m Margaret of Austria (b.1536-.) with issues
Francis III, King of France (b. 1555-.) m Mary of England (b. 1558-.) with issues
Charles Sigomond, Duke of Berry (b. 1558-.) m Mary of Scotland (b. 1557-.) with issues
Isabella (b. 1562-.) m Philip III of Spain (b. 1561-.) with issues
Sofia of Poland (b.1522-.) m Charles Victor of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1525–1553)
Charles Sigumond, Duke Brunswick-Lüneburg (b.1544–.) m Renata of Lorraine (b.1544-.) with issues
Charles Sigumond, Duke Brunswick-Lüneburg (b. 1568-.)
Christine (b. 1571-.)
Maria Renata(b. 1574-.)
Sophia (b.1548-.) m Charles, Archduke of Austria (b. 1540-.) with issues
Charles Sigumond, Archduke of Austria (b. 1571-.)
Anna (b. 1573-.)
Anna of Poland (b.1523-.) m John Albert I Mecklenburg (b.1525-.)
John VII, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b.1548-.) m Elizabeth of Prussia (b.1551-.) with issues
John VIII, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b.1570-.)
Catherine of Poland (b. 1526-.) m Archduke Ferdinand of Austria (b. 1529-.)
Archduke Ferdinand of Austria (b.1550-1601) m Maria Anna of bavaria (b. 1550-.)
Anna (b.1552-.1555)
Charles Siegmund (b.1556-.1562)
Catherine (b.1562-.) m Charles IV, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1564-.) with issues
Henry, Duke of Orleans (b. 1519-.) Catherine de' Medici, Countess of Boulogne (b. 1519-)
Louis, Duke of Orleans (b.1538-.) m Françoise de Bourbon, Duchess of Montpensirer (b. 1539-.) with issues
Madeleine (b.1540-.) m William IV, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (b.1532-.) with issues
*Charles V's original plan was to give Burgundy to his daughter Maria .
Henry VIII of England (d. 1524) married Catherine of Aragon (d. 1542)Edward VI of England (b. 1516-.) m Maria of Portugal (b. 1521-.)
Catherine (b.1539-.) m James VI, King of Scotland (b. 1540-.) with issues
Henry IX, King of England (b. 1541-.) m Barbara of Austria (b.1539-.) with issues
Edward, Duke of Somerset (b. 1543-.) m Mary Fitzalan, Countess Arnold (b. 1540-.) with issues
Mary (b.1544-.) m Charles I, King of Portugal (b. 1545-.1582) with issues
Stillborn
Charles, Duke of Bedford (b.1551-.) m Elizabeth Manners (b.1557-.) with issues
Henry, Duke of York (b. 1518-.) m Catherine de Willoughby (b. 1519-.) with issues
Edward, Duke of York (b.1535-.) m Elizabeth Boleyn, Countess of Wiltshire (b. 1536-.) with issues
Catherine (b.1537-.) m Henry, Duke of Norfolk (b. 1535-.) with issues
Mary (b.1540-.) m Henry Gray, Marquess of Droste (b. 1537-.) with issues
Elizabeth (b.1544-.) , nun
John Archbishop of York (b. 1550-.)
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Because I always like to give Anne Boleyn a win in May:
Henry VIII (1491-1551) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536) (a) Anne Boleyn (1507-1561) (b)
1a) Lady Mary, Baroness Cromwell (1516-1558) m. Gregory Cromwell, 2nd Baron Cromwell (b.1520)
2b) Edward VI (1533-1603) m. Joanna of Spain (b.1535)
3b) Miscarriage (1534)
4b) Elizabeth (b.1536) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b.1534)
5b) Philippa (b.1537) m. James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1540)
George Boleyn, 2nd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1504) m. Jane Parker (1503-1528) (a) m.1534 Eleanor Brandon (1519-1543) (b)
1b. Henry, 3rd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1535) m. Lady Elizabeth Stanley (b.1533)
2b) Anne (b. 1538) m. Barnaby Fitzpatrick, 2nd Baron Upper Ossory (b.1535)
3b) Frances (b.1540) m. Henry Herbert, Baron Herbert (b.1538)
4b) Thomas (b.1543)
Henry VIII (1491-1551) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536) (a) Anne Boleyn (1507-1561) (b)
1a) Lady Mary, Baroness Cromwell (1516-1558) m. Gregory Cromwell, 2nd Baron Cromwell (b.1520)
2b) Edward VI (1533-1603) m. Joanna of Spain (b.1535)
3b) Miscarriage (1534)
4b) Elizabeth (b.1536) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b.1534)
5b) Philippa (b.1537) m. James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1540)
George Boleyn, 2nd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1504) m. Jane Parker (1503-1528) (a) m.1534 Eleanor Brandon (1519-1543) (b)
1b. Henry, 3rd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1535) m. Lady Elizabeth Stanley (b.1533)
2b) Anne (b. 1538) m. Barnaby Fitzpatrick, 2nd Baron Upper Ossory (b.1535)
3b) Frances (b.1540) m. Henry Herbert, Baron Herbert (b.1538)
4b) Thomas (b.1543)
I'm still working on Edward and Joanna's, will I Mary and Gregory's do instead?
Gregory, 2nd Baron Cromwell (1520-1572) m. Lady Mary, Baroness Cromwell (1516-1558)
1) Grace (b.1538)
2) Thomas (1540-1542)
3) Charles, 3rd Baron Cromwell (b.1544)
4) Katherine (1546-1547)
5) Margaret (b.1549)
6) Miscarriage (1551)