WI the nazis really were into occultism

So, as far as I know the "occultist nazi" stereotype was only valid for some very few fringe figures on the moviment, but this myth got out of control on the 2000s thanks to "The History Channel" documentaries.

That being said, what would be the ramifications if someone who was really into occultism took power in Nazi Germany? Could they waste money in projects trying to build flying carpets, mind control facilities, laboratories to revive dead soldiers, on the fountain of youth and magic elixirs? Maybe they could invite the occultist Franz Bardon and give him a "ministry of occultism" to cough up some insane theories on the process.
 
Depends when nazis adopsts occultism. If it happens before taking power they hardly can get any close to get the power. Germans are not going follow such odd guys. If it happens somewhere between taking power and starting of WW2 they are probably ousted by conservatives and rational people. Occultism would distract quiet many members of nazi party, even many inner cicrle nazis would are distracted. During WW2 things might be bit complicated. But even then they hardly can enforce neopaganism/occultism very much.
 
1929: Aleister Crowley meets and begins a relationship with Eva Braun in Berlin. Although they break up a year later, she now believes in Thelemism and he believes in Nazism.

Eva's new boyfriend Hitler is intrigued by this "Do as Thou Wilt" philosophy, and later becomes convinced Crowley has actual supernatural powers, after seeing him conjure up (illusory) fire-demons to go burn the Reichstag building.
 
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So, as far as I know the "occultist nazi" stereotype was only valid for some very few fringe figures on the moviment, but this myth got out of control on the 2000s thanks to "The History Channel" documentaries.

That being said, what would be the ramifications if someone who was really into occultism took power in Nazi Germany? Could they waste money in projects trying to build flying carpets, mind control facilities, laboratories to revive dead soldiers, on the fountain of youth and magic elixirs? Maybe they could invite the occultist Franz Bardon and give him a "ministry of occultism" to cough up some insane theories on the process.
Jörv Lanz von Liebenfels. Catholic Monk. This guy had been once Hitler's inspiration. Basically a Nazi occultist before the Nazi Party existed. He was the founder of the Ariosophy ideology. Born in 1874 died in 1954.
Hitler had been one of his frequent readers. Apperently he later became an obscure figure without much influence. What if this guy had some sort of Occultist office in Nazi Germany ?
 
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Depends when nazis adopsts occultism. If it happens before taking power they hardly can get any close to get the power. Germans are not going follow such odd guys. If it happens somewhere between taking power and starting of WW2 they are probably ousted by conservatives and rational people. Occultism would distract quiet many members of nazi party, even many inner cicrle nazis would are distracted. During WW2 things might be bit complicated. But even then they hardly can enforce neopaganism/occultism very much.
I see, so this is ASB?
 
IMO, If the leaders of the Nazi movement were very heavily and publicly into occultism from the start, Nazism would stay an obscure fringe political group, as the ascension on the Nazi party was, in part, helped by the conservative christians that feared the "godless commies hordes".

No German conservative christian would support an obviously occultist fringe group.

The anti-communist Germans would probably rally around the centrists or a center-right party like the National-Conservative instead.
 
At least very unlikely. It is possible that they are occultists but it would be ASB if they manage get favor of even 20 % of Germans if even that much.

Only if it was very public. As stated above major figures like Hess, Himmler and Rosenberg were into it, they just weren't very public about it.

Assuming Hitler dies somehow and Hess take over, could they make a "ministry of occultism" or something?
 
Perhaps if the Catholic Church in Germany and the Catholic-aligned Centre Party tried to keep up resistance to the Nazis (like joining with the SPD in voting against the Enabling Act), they get put more on the chopping block, with the Nazis perhaps not even pretending to give the Catholics assurances of protection. A delay in starting the war (made up for in seizing more of Church property) leads to more time for the Nazis to purge Christian institutions and ideology out of public life; identifying the "disloyal" churches as enemies of the German people, perhaps using incidents of child abuse in the Catholic Church to thoroughly demonise it as an entire institution, leading to the taking-over and Nazifying of Catholic-run orphanages and the imprisonment of Catholic parents for entrusting their children with an 'alien organisation', resulting in their children being put into those orphanages. This official denunciation of the Catholic faith could then lead to the Nazi youth organisations to take on a more occultist direction, identifying Hitler and his party as literally being picked by supernatural forces (at first maybe identified as 'God', then switching to more occult terms as it can gradually take the mask off) to lead the German race. This attempt at substituting Christianity with a Nazi religion then accelerates as the war gets going, where the Nazis use the struggle for victory as an excuse to go after even more of the official Christian communities and implement even more spiritualistic worship of the Party. The longer the war stretches, the more this can happen, but in the end the only real difference is that there are even more messed-up children ready at the end to run themselves into Soviet tanks and bullets.
 
If Himmler was the public face of the Nazis and was open about bringing ancient Germanic Paganism and the occult into the German mainstream it would be a pretty tough go for them to win the support of the various church or the German conservative establishment. Running on bringing back human sacrifice to the Dark Lord Woden sounds like a tough election line to win on even with the German economy dead and society coming apart.
 
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They were pretty into occultism already. The trouble is that it's difficult to walk into someone home and say "support us and we'll rebuild Germany with Satans help" to.your average German family.

However, if they were into it seriously at the tope leadership, you might see things like weird pagan beliefs and mass death camps. Oh wait...
 
Or, OTOH, the reveal that the Nazi leadership is full of "Satanists" would lead the very christian conservative Army to turn against them : after all, why go on a crusade against the atheist soviets when they have heretics at home.

In addition, one of the reasons that the German army had trouble accepting to remove Hitler from power was that Hitler had the Military oath of service altered to obey him (Hitler) personnaly, by swearing by God.

If Hitler (or a successor Führer) is revealed to be an occultist (and therefore not a believer in God), that means that the oath of loyalty that every member of the armed force took is in fact invalid.

Cue military coup against the Nazi party.
 
I think your best shot is for Hitler and Goering to die early leaving Hess. Hess is somehow able to keep it together and develops enough political skills not to tip his hand right away and stay in power and then slowly introducing it over time. One thing in his favor is that Hess wasn't eager to start a world war so may well back down or not provoke Great Britain in the first place.
 
While what a lot of people here are saying is true, that Germany wouldn't propel the Nazis to the levels of popularity it needed to seize power if it didn't make at least token concessions to Christian conservatism, that doesn't mean the Nazis couldn't try altering the coalition once they're in charge. That's exactly what they did from the beginning, marginalizing their political coalition partners the moment they were able to. Business and traditional military leaders were also key allies, and they, in turn, were increasingly subsumed to the will of the more radical partners (like the NSDAP and the SS) over time. Yes, Germany would not have voted for Christianity to be replaced by a bunch of LARPing freaks, but they didn't vote for their children to die futilely fighting against an invasion that pummels Germany flat, and they got that anyway.

But it is true that the army represents a very Christian faction that would be the main roadblock to 'paganising' the country. That's why my suggestion involves distinguishing between churches, with the Catholics, a minority both overall and in the officer corps, being the main target for persecution. These officers didn't stick their necks out to protect Jews, leftwingers, or even the Catholics that did face reprisals IOTL, why would they suddenly put up a fight if the Nazis took it one step further?
 
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