I mean, Henry might not try to get rid of his nephew, but god knows kids die easily back then
WI: Katherine of Aragon dies in 1503 giving birth to Arthur's posthumous son
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Well there doesn't seem much point in Catherine having a posthumous son by Arthur if the kid just dies anyways and we end up with Henry VIII again
No, the WI is that the kid survives to adulthood, I am just saying that those princes in the tower "disappeared" and we don't even know if they died young or not.
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Is he likely to try and have the boy die due to an "accident/illness''?
Edit: nevermind i just saw someone else ask this
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Pretty unlikely considering who Henry was too much religious for trying something like that
I think Catherine or Quiteria of Navarre can marry the OTL Henry VIII, if he is to marry Anne of Navarre he has to wait until the death of the Catholic monarchs in 1516.
I doubt who such matches would be allowed by the catholic monarchs and I also doubt who Henry and England would be interested at all in a Navarrese match when existed better options (starting with Marguerite d’Angouleme or Madeleine de la Tour)
I think the Navarrese infantas such as Candale are better as French proxies to either Poland or Hungary.
No, they are totally free to be married to Henry at the POD or some years later. Marguerite was free until 1509 and was offered to Henry in OTL (possibly when he was still Duke of York, surely when he was Prince of Wales) and Madeleine is fully free until 1516
OK, so depending on whichever lady is married to Henry as Duchess of Whatever (as Henry is not Duke of York once Katherine's son has sons), perhaps they even have kids. Do we think Henry will be influential as regent?
Yes, he is! York won't revert back to the Crown until Henry either becomes King himself, or his line dies out in the male line.
Ah I see, so if Katherine's son has two sons, for example, his younger son is not Duke of York?
No way as that Dukedom belong to Henry and his heirs until the full extinction of his legitimate male line
Richmond, Somerset, Bedford, Pembroke… and in general anything who is free and the King is willing to give
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OK, thank you
That being said, now that Henry won't be king, do you think he will actually go into the church instead?
No way. That was NEVER planned in OTL and would make less sense here where only a baby boy stand between Henry and the Crown. Henry will need to marry for securing backup heirs to the TudorsOK, thank you
That being said, now that Henry won't be king, do you think he will actually go into the church instead?
OK, thank you
That being said, now that Henry won't be king, do you think he will actually go into the church instead?
Probably not. The Dynasty is currently hanging by a thread - though WE know the son will survive until adulthood, Henry, theregency council and the rest of the movers and shakers of the Kingdom, don't know that. Henry is going to be needed to produce a suitable cadet branch just in case *Arthur Jr. doesn't make into adult hood or fails to have any children of his own.
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Traditions nonewithstanding, given memories of Richard III, I could envision Henry VII being strongly advised to send Prince Henry into "exile with the serial numbers filed off" or at least make provisions to exclude him from any position of power should he himself die before his grandson achieves maturity. He'll want to keep him alive as the proverbial spare, but also make sure history wont repeat itself.
Not to mention that with infant mortality being what it is at the time, if the grandson DOES in fact die from an accident or disease, it would also protect Prince Henry from being forever tainted with the suspicion of having murdered his nephew, if he's out of the country at the time.
Not to mention that with infant mortality being what it is at the time, if the grandson DOES in fact die from an accident or disease, it would also protect Prince Henry from being forever tainted with the suspicion of having murdered his nephew, if he's out of the country at the time.