WI: Clean IJN

What if starting with Tōgō Heihachirō at prime of his influence on the navy the IJN strictly enforced the rules of war on them selves and IJN Land forces. To point where breaking the rules of war is considered by the IJN so dishonorable that being convicted causes the convict to commit ritual suicide and if they are not fragged. Basically the they still fight every bit as hard as OTL just with out violating rules of war. The IJA is every bit as nasty as OTL. What does this do? One I can think of is that the Japanese declaration of war arrives on time and is actually a declaration of war.
 
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Unfortunately in the pre-war environment this is basically impossible because of the crap the Military had been pumping into the population for years (that nasty mix of nationalism, xenophobia, blatant racism and more). To have the IJN somehow be 'clean' then the army and navy would probably have a civil war well before WW2 kicked off and I mean a proper one with fighting in Japan, not just the usual round of officers or the politicians they supported being killed as warnings.

Imperial Japan was a horrid mess and it affected pretty much the country as a whole, I mean who on earth follows 'who's executed the most people with a sword' or brutalizes its personnel so much that bayonetting babies is seen as perfectly okay.

If some how this did happen basically it wouldn't matter. If the IJA was still being its horrific self then the Allies wouldn't differentiate between the services, it would be a case of "A Jap's a Jap."
 
If some how this did happen basically it wouldn't matter. If the IJA was still being its horrific self then the Allies wouldn't differentiate between the services, it would be a case of "A Jap's a Jap."
Humans are good at pattern recognition. I also think you underestimating the OSS, ONI, NIS, MI6 and the intelligence section of every major allied combatant command in Pacific all of them have a vested interest and 36 years to figure it out.
 
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Not really considering the generally racist views of the West on the Japanese at the time, the US and UK both either ignored or downplayed the reports they recived from people on the ground and generally in the middle of a fire fight, you don't care who you're fighting or really know. And unless the Navy guys are running around in very different uniforms to make them stand out, you're not going to be able to tell. The actions of the IJA hardened the Allied forces views of the Japanese and they expected them to pretty much fight to the death and be horrific when dealing with prisoners so you did not want to get captured.

So the troops on the ground will most likely not really know, nor really care.
 
Not really considering the generally racist views of the West on the Japanese at the time, the US and UK both either ignored or downplayed the reports they recived from people on the ground and generally in the middle of a fire fight, you don't care who you're fighting or really know. And unless the Navy guys are running around in very different uniforms to make them stand out, you're not going to be able to tell. The actions of the IJA hardened the Allied forces views of the Japanese and they expected them to pretty much fight to the death and be horrific when dealing with prisoners so you did not want to get captured.

The SNLF at least did have a distinct Uniform and battle Ensign. I do agree that most of the changes from OTL will be post war, high level or both. Remember also the POD is Tojo strictly enforcing Rules of War. This is the same Tojo that has an OM.
 
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Why would Tojo care about the IJN following the rules of war and then be like "lol whatev" with all other branches - especially as prime minister?
 
Yeah really the only way to stop Imperial Japan being like Imperial Japan is to go back to probably the Sino-Japanese War in 1894/95 and start getting stuff in place there. Post WW1 its pretty much too late to nip it in the bud as the IJA and IJN are already following a deeply perverted view of bushido, combined with rampant and rabid nationalism and racism thrown into the max (Japanese being inherently superior to ALL others, Chinese people being lower order animals than dogs and pigs, the treatment of Korean people that was already going on etc etc etc). Combine that with them being angry about being looked down/talked down to by the West and the Wests on racist views, and being angry that they missed the colonisation train and all the good stuff's basically taken by the British or other countries.

Because of the actions of the IJA and IJN, the troops on the ground fighting them basically viewed them as how the Soviet army viewed the Germans, basically everyone's SS and you don't need to bother with that prisoner taking nonsense. Doubly hard with the Japanese as they tended to not want to be taken prisoner.

Basically all this would change is some views post war, during the war its going to be 'A Jap is a Jap' because the IJA would have tainted everyone's view of the Japanese armed forces as a whole.

And Admiral Togo won't be able to help much, the Army will hate him on principle, and will oppose anything at every step, and honestly i'd not be surprised if someone tried to kill him. And yes, he was put in charge of educating the Crown Prince, IE Hirohito. That didn't exactly work out well, remember it was Hirohito that gave the order that survivors from Midway were to be healed, hushed and hidden and were not allowed to talk with anyone or communicate with families, and authorised the use of gas weapons 375 times in China, so Togo if he was meant to do anything, didn't. That came from his office. And he sure as hell didn't oppose the war until the consequences of Japans actions came back to bite them in the face.
 
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Post WW1 its pretty much too late to nip it in the bud as the IJA and IJN are already following a deeply perverted view of bushido, combined with rampant and rabid nationalism and racism thrown into the max
Yet just a few years before, you had the IJN behavior where they wouldn't turn over captured Austrians over to Italian forces, over fears that they would not follow the the then existing Hague Conventions
So the troops on the ground will most likely not really know, nor really care.
US Troops knew the difference when facing SS Troops, and behaved accordingly
 
It wouldn't really matter. Japan loses the war anyways, and firebombing and all that happens anyways. The one thing would be a slightly better image of the navy in the eyes of the allies, but that's such a small consolation that it's almost meaningless.
 
It wouldn't really matter. Japan loses the war anyways, and firebombing and all that happens anyways. The one thing would be a slightly better image of the navy in the eyes of the allies, but that's such a small consolation that it's almost meaningless.
Really I think it might change politics a bit in East Asia. More countries might be willing to work with Japan or at least the JMSDF. Another interested effect might be that Japan doesn’t create JGSDF or it’s affectively under navy control. Remember the US did have a war crimes tribunal in Guam. The allies will probably focus on the IJA more in the immediate postwar era.
 
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Really I think it might change politics a bit in East Asia. More countries might be willing to work with Japan or at least the JMSDF. Another interested effect might be that Japan doesn’t create JGSDF or it’s affectively under navy control. Remember the US did have a war crimes tribunal in Guam. The allies will probably focus on the IJA more in the immediate postwar era.
Doubt it. Asians who were oppressed would not have interacted much with the IJN, so their impression of Japan will fill in the blanks. And the answer they put on the line won't be any better than OTL.
 
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