She can marry the Duke of York, whose wife ITTL goes with John
WI: All of Katherine of Aragon's children live to adulthood
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Do not be so sure about that, Francis I had three sons and what happened to his sons again?
True, that works. That being said, if they all live to adulthood then sure, three are enough.
There were talks of her marrying Luis of Beja IOTL and she was treated with suspicion by her stepmother, so duke of York is not an impossible match for her. If Sigismund Augustus, Hedwig's brother, dies childless as IOTL, her son might get a look as uncle's succesor - after all, Sigismund Hohenzollern, Hedwig's IOTL son was treated by SA as possible heir.
Actually, could for example Anne of Cleves, Katherine Howard or Katherine Parr end up with a younger son?? They're around about the right age @Violet Rose Lily
They can, but English heiresses are a far likelier matches… I also would not exclude Catherine de‘ Medici for one of the younger boys
ooooh Caterina de Medici as an English queen (well, duchess in this case, unless...) would be ridiculously interesting, especially if England becomes Protestant anyway
1517-1519
1517 did not start off well. First, Katherine was devastated by the news of the death of her sister, Maria, Queen of Portugal. Then came what would be known as the Evil May Day where riots broke out in London composed of young laborers and apprentices against foreign merchants whom they claimed were stealing their jobs. Thomas More and other officials tried to calm the mob but the violence accelerated. Thomas Parr {1] rode to Richmond to King Henry in hopes that he would intervene.
The earls of Shrewsbury and Surrey rode to London, only to find that the riot had worn itself out and most the participants had been rounded up and arrested. Although the leaders were executed, Queen Katherine publicly pleaded with her husband to pardon the rest, showing empathy and compassion for them and their families. She even took the extra step of having her oldest children with her as she keeled in front of the throne, appealing to Henry both as a merciful monarch and a loving father.
Always needing to be admired by his subjects and wanting to show his son how a true monarch acted, King Henry acquiesced and pardoned the remaining rioters.
In October while England was dealing with the sweat {2], Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Thesis on the All Saints church of Wittenberg. It was then did the politics of Europe begin to shift.
Meanwhile over in Portugal, King Manuel would be faced with a dilemma. Although, he had many sons, he wanted a third wife (after all he of all people knew how shaky succession could be). He wanted a Spanish bride. However, the was only one available, which meant his son would not receive one. Charles of Spain suggested that he marry his grandfather's widow, Germaine of Foix and the Crown Prince John of Portugal could marry Leanor.
Manuel was not too keen as Germaine was already twenty-nine and she had failed to produced living issue in her last marriage. Despite his doubts he married her in early 1518. To his delight, she became pregnant almost immediately giving birth to a premature but healthy baby girl in August 1518 [3]. As for Archduchess Leonor, she would be betrothed to Crown Prince John. After the death of Princess Louise of France, King Charles would announce his own engagement to Princess Isabel after receiving encouragement from his former step grandmother {4].
This left England rather upset as now they had lost two potential grooms for Princess Elizabeth. King Henry was especially incensed commenting that Charles of Spain took after his maternal grandfather in his ability to screw England over. This lead to another argument between Katherine and Henry. Although, there falling out was not so severe as Queen Katherine would announce her sixth pregnancy.
Leaving the matter of Elizabeth's marriage aside for the time being, they instead focused on confirming the betrothal between Archduchess Catalina and Prince Henry of Wales along with the match between Dauphin Charles and Princess Mary.
Cardinal Wolsey devised the Treaty of London, a non-aggressive pact that would bind the Europeans monarchs together in the face of the growing Ottoman Empire threat. The aim was to end the warfare among the leaders of Europe in hopes of creating a greater alliances. The treaty was initiated between representatives from England and France. It was then ratified by other European nations and the Pope. It was stipulated in the agreement that if one state broke the terms, the others were to form up against them.
In December, King Henry and Queen Katherine would welcome Princess Catherine into the world. Although, he would have loved four sons, King Henry was most pleased with having three sons and three daughters.
However, the royal marriage was not as strong as it once was with King Henry's mistresses becoming visible in the court and lasting longer than a few months. Bessie Blount was the first mistress to be recorded as such. Henry continued to see her even after she married Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme in 1518, just seven months before the birth of Henry Tailboys [5].
Katherine while not happy about it, accepted her husband's wandering eye, knowing that with six children, three of them sons, she did not need to worry. As her children continued to grow , the world continued to change.
[1] That would be Queen Catherine Parr's father.
[2] I know there was not an exact date of when the outbreak of the sweat in history, but I thought it would be interesting if they happened around the same time.
[3] In history Germaine and Charles had a love affair and the daughter Germaine would give birth to in 1518 is strongly suspected to Charles's. I thought I would leave it vague if it is true in TTL.
[4] I am going to let you guys interpretate how she encouraged him, however you would like.
[5] Officially, Henry is the legitimatized bastard of Elizabeth and Gilbert. Unofficially, he is King Henry's son and everyone knows that.
The earls of Shrewsbury and Surrey rode to London, only to find that the riot had worn itself out and most the participants had been rounded up and arrested. Although the leaders were executed, Queen Katherine publicly pleaded with her husband to pardon the rest, showing empathy and compassion for them and their families. She even took the extra step of having her oldest children with her as she keeled in front of the throne, appealing to Henry both as a merciful monarch and a loving father.
Always needing to be admired by his subjects and wanting to show his son how a true monarch acted, King Henry acquiesced and pardoned the remaining rioters.
In October while England was dealing with the sweat {2], Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Thesis on the All Saints church of Wittenberg. It was then did the politics of Europe begin to shift.
Meanwhile over in Portugal, King Manuel would be faced with a dilemma. Although, he had many sons, he wanted a third wife (after all he of all people knew how shaky succession could be). He wanted a Spanish bride. However, the was only one available, which meant his son would not receive one. Charles of Spain suggested that he marry his grandfather's widow, Germaine of Foix and the Crown Prince John of Portugal could marry Leanor.
Manuel was not too keen as Germaine was already twenty-nine and she had failed to produced living issue in her last marriage. Despite his doubts he married her in early 1518. To his delight, she became pregnant almost immediately giving birth to a premature but healthy baby girl in August 1518 [3]. As for Archduchess Leonor, she would be betrothed to Crown Prince John. After the death of Princess Louise of France, King Charles would announce his own engagement to Princess Isabel after receiving encouragement from his former step grandmother {4].
This left England rather upset as now they had lost two potential grooms for Princess Elizabeth. King Henry was especially incensed commenting that Charles of Spain took after his maternal grandfather in his ability to screw England over. This lead to another argument between Katherine and Henry. Although, there falling out was not so severe as Queen Katherine would announce her sixth pregnancy.
Leaving the matter of Elizabeth's marriage aside for the time being, they instead focused on confirming the betrothal between Archduchess Catalina and Prince Henry of Wales along with the match between Dauphin Charles and Princess Mary.
Cardinal Wolsey devised the Treaty of London, a non-aggressive pact that would bind the Europeans monarchs together in the face of the growing Ottoman Empire threat. The aim was to end the warfare among the leaders of Europe in hopes of creating a greater alliances. The treaty was initiated between representatives from England and France. It was then ratified by other European nations and the Pope. It was stipulated in the agreement that if one state broke the terms, the others were to form up against them.
In December, King Henry and Queen Katherine would welcome Princess Catherine into the world. Although, he would have loved four sons, King Henry was most pleased with having three sons and three daughters.
However, the royal marriage was not as strong as it once was with King Henry's mistresses becoming visible in the court and lasting longer than a few months. Bessie Blount was the first mistress to be recorded as such. Henry continued to see her even after she married Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme in 1518, just seven months before the birth of Henry Tailboys [5].
Katherine while not happy about it, accepted her husband's wandering eye, knowing that with six children, three of them sons, she did not need to worry. As her children continued to grow , the world continued to change.
[1] That would be Queen Catherine Parr's father.
[2] I know there was not an exact date of when the outbreak of the sweat in history, but I thought it would be interesting if they happened around the same time.
[3] In history Germaine and Charles had a love affair and the daughter Germaine would give birth to in 1518 is strongly suspected to Charles's. I thought I would leave it vague if it is true in TTL.
[4] I am going to let you guys interpretate how she encouraged him, however you would like.
[5] Officially, Henry is the legitimatized bastard of Elizabeth and Gilbert. Unofficially, he is King Henry's son and everyone knows that.
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Out of curiosity why would Tailboys be legitimized ITTL?
Very nice chapter, especially with Joao of Portugal receiving his desired bride..
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I think because with Henry having legitimate sons by Catherine he has nothing to prove and it's more convenient to hide his bastard son..
Unlike ITTL Germaine's daughter who was born a few weeks early, Henry Tailboys was born seven months after his parents' wedding, making it unlikely that he was a very healthy preemie so it was fairly obvious that he was conceived before the wedding. He was retroactively declared legitimate in the same way Charles Brandon's daughters with Anne Browne were declared legitimate. However, it is clear everyone that Henry Tailboys is really Henry's son, but they are pretending that he is Gilbert's son. I hope that makes some sense.
