What's Iran's bright future if it were not for Mohammad Mosaddegh being overthrown out in 1953?

While I'm not on Mosaddegh's side but for whatever reasons, America and British decided not to overthrow Mosaddegh in the Alternate 1953...
so what happened to Iran today? would Israel still be friends with Iran? How is Iran's relations with the world be like?
 
After Mossadegh nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, the British effectively boycotted the country by forcing other oil companies not to fill in for the AIOIC, causing the Iranian oil industry to come to a stand still. The Royal Navy also instituted a blockade of the country. Most of the West supported Britain's position in what was called the Abadan Crisis over Iran, with only Italy providing technicians to support the Iranian oil industry. The British even intercepted oil tankers and forced them to disembark in the Aden Protectorate, under the excuse the oil inside the tankers was 'stolen property'.

Abadan Crisis - Wikipedia

With the West effectively turning it's back on Iran, I could see Iran falling further and further into the Soviet Union's orbit. Mossadegh was no fan of the Tudeh Party or the Soviets laying claim to Iranian oil, but he would have to bite his pride and ask Moscow for help.

The Tudeh Party of Iran: Mossadegh Scolds Pro-Soviet Sycophants (mohammadmossadegh.com)
Hmm, What would Iran's future after 1979 be like if Mosaddegh had not been overthrown?
 

marathag

Banned
Hmm, What would Iran's future after 1979 be like if Mosaddegh had not been overthrown?
Depends if he keeps moving towards the Communists over the Mullahs.
Don't leave out that he was acting more dictatorial as each week passed.

Mossadegh was no believer in the democratic path, he wanted power.
 
Depends if he keeps moving towards the Communists over the Mullahs.
Don't leave out that he was acting more dictatorial as each week passed.

Mossadegh was no believer in the democratic path, he wanted power.
Yeah but I'll believe that the Mosaddegh era of Iran would have differed from the current Islamic republic of Iran while assuming that He got second term by 1962 and left the office in 1963, I mean can you imagine him going over to The Soviet Union with his help?
but again, I'm no supporter of Mosaddegh or the Shah but okay. 😅
so would Iranians want a Mosaddegh era Iran in their place of Islamic Republic of Iran?
 
With the West effectively turning it's back on Iran, I could see Iran falling further and further into the Soviet Union's orbit. Mossadegh was no fan of the Tudeh Party or the Soviets laying claim to Iranian oil, but he would have to bite his pride and ask Moscow for help.
How likely do you see Iran ending up a "people's democracy" under the Tudeh Party in such a scenario?
 

marathag

Banned
From Reddit, yeah, I know:rolleyes:
Mossadegh was so democratic that his referendum to dissolve parliament so that he obtains absolute power won 99.93% of the votes. What did credible international publications think of his democratic zeal?

TIME magazine: “Hitler’s best as a vote-getter was 99.81% Ja’s in 1936; Stalin’s peak was 99.73% Da’s in 1946. Last week Premier Mohammed Mossadegh, the man in the iron cot, topped them all with 99.93%.”

NBC TV’s John Cameron Swayze announced: Mossadegh “has accomplished what Hitler and Stalin could not. He received 99 9⁄10 percent of the vote in a carefully managed referendum.”

New York Times: “A plebiscite more fantastic and farcical than any ever held under Hitler or Stalin is now being staged in Iran by Premier Mossadegh in an effort to make himself unchallenged dictator of the country.”

NYT, A Bid For Dictatorship, 7/15/52:”Having brought his country to the verge of bankruptcy,Premier Mossadegh is now trying to take it further along the road to ruin by demanding dictatorial powers for 6 months,on the plea that he needs these powers to pull Iran out of the crisis into which he has plunged it.What he proposes is in effect a legalized coup d’etat that smacks of Hitler’s technique.This is the legal device by which Hitler also acquired absolute powers he had no intention,of course, of surrendering them on termination of the ostensible period for which they had been granted, and there is no assurance that Mr. Mossadegh would act differently.”

Melbourne paper, The Argus (8/21/53): “THE swift and violent overthrow of Dr. Mossadegh , Premier and virtual dictator of Persia, has been a complete surprise to the world, and a pleasant surprise to the Western half of it.”

The fact is many international news outlets referred to Mossadegh as a dictator because that’s what he was. There was nothing democratic about his reign (nor his coup attempt at overthrowing the Shah) Anyone who says otherwise is either naive or lying.

There’s only one reason a handful of Iranians have rehabilitated, re-branded, mythologized and continue to promote Mossadegh: their disdain for the late Shah.

Lamenting the loss of a Mossadeq because of democratic ambitions betrays a lack of knowledge of Iranian history.The most common misconception is that he was democratically elected. He wasn’t, he was appointed by the King.Another misconception is that he was a champion of democracy.

During his tenure Mossadegh dissolved the senate, shut down parliament, not once did he hold a full meeting of the council of ministers, suspended elections for the Nat’l Assembly, announced he would rule by decree, jailed hundreds of opponents, & dismissed the Supreme Court.

This angered the Nat’l Assembly so he announced a referendum to decide if it should be dissolved. At the opening session he gave a speech aimed at intimidating dissenters saying only 80% of those present truly represented the people

Our “champion of democracy” arranged that those voting for dissolution and those against voted in plainly marked booths. The signal was clear: anyone brave enough to vote in opposition would be beaten up by his street hooligans/Tudeh (Communist) supporters.

Dissolution won by 99% of all votes! In one town with a population of 3,000, 18000 votes were cast in favor of Mossadeq’s undemocratic dissolution. His democratic ideals were so far reaching he allowed the dead to vote. Hundreds of people were killed during his rigged elections.

By the time of the counter-coup that toppled him he had 27 gallows put up on Sepah Square to hang his enemies in public. All but approximately 4 days of his premiership were under martial law/curfew. There was nothing democratic about his reign.

While a member of parliament he posed as a champion of the constitution, due process, representative govt, free press; but only in a few months did he do the things mentioned above. Khomeini promised democracy too. Had his revolution not succeeded he too would be touted a great democrat

From 1941-1979 Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi appointed & dismissed 22 PMs (incl. Mossadegh twice) in accordance to the 1906 Constitution.Yet, Mossadeq is the only 1 referred 2 as “democratically elected” despite the fact that all were appointed and dismissed in the same manner.

What set Mossadeq apart from the pack were his political ambitions.After becoming Prime Minister he successfully forced the Shah 2 appoint him Minister of War,granting himself absolute power.He soon replaced officers w/those loyal 2 him, consolidating power to obtain the throne via a coup

When the Shah finally dismissed Mossadegh in accordance with his legal authority under the Constitution of 1906, Mossadeq had the officer who delivered the dismissal decree arrested, his Foreign Minister published an editorial in Bakhtar-e-Emruz denouncing the Shah & called for his ouster.

It’s clear to the objective student of Iranian modern history that Mossadeq initiated a coup against the Shah and the events that followed & led to Mossadegh’s downfall should more appropriately be labeled a “counter-coup”

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From Reddit, yeah, I know:rolleyes:
Mossadegh was so democratic that his referendum to dissolve parliament so that he obtains absolute power won 99.93% of the votes. What did credible international publications think of his democratic zeal?

TIME magazine: “Hitler’s best as a vote-getter was 99.81% Ja’s in 1936; Stalin’s peak was 99.73% Da’s in 1946. Last week Premier Mohammed Mossadegh, the man in the iron cot, topped them all with 99.93%.”

NBC TV’s John Cameron Swayze announced: Mossadegh “has accomplished what Hitler and Stalin could not. He received 99 9⁄10 percent of the vote in a carefully managed referendum.”

New York Times: “A plebiscite more fantastic and farcical than any ever held under Hitler or Stalin is now being staged in Iran by Premier Mossadegh in an effort to make himself unchallenged dictator of the country.”

NYT, A Bid For Dictatorship, 7/15/52:”Having brought his country to the verge of bankruptcy,Premier Mossadegh is now trying to take it further along the road to ruin by demanding dictatorial powers for 6 months,on the plea that he needs these powers to pull Iran out of the crisis into which he has plunged it.What he proposes is in effect a legalized coup d’etat that smacks of Hitler’s technique.This is the legal device by which Hitler also acquired absolute powers he had no intention,of course, of surrendering them on termination of the ostensible period for which they had been granted, and there is no assurance that Mr. Mossadegh would act differently.”

Melbourne paper, The Argus (8/21/53): “THE swift and violent overthrow of Dr. Mossadegh , Premier and virtual dictator of Persia, has been a complete surprise to the world, and a pleasant surprise to the Western half of it.”

The fact is many international news outlets referred to Mossadegh as a dictator because that’s what he was. There was nothing democratic about his reign (nor his coup attempt at overthrowing the Shah) Anyone who says otherwise is either naive or lying.

There’s only one reason a handful of Iranians have rehabilitated, re-branded, mythologized and continue to promote Mossadegh: their disdain for the late Shah.

Lamenting the loss of a Mossadeq because of democratic ambitions betrays a lack of knowledge of Iranian history.The most common misconception is that he was democratically elected. He wasn’t, he was appointed by the King.Another misconception is that he was a champion of democracy.

During his tenure Mossadegh dissolved the senate, shut down parliament, not once did he hold a full meeting of the council of ministers, suspended elections for the Nat’l Assembly, announced he would rule by decree, jailed hundreds of opponents, & dismissed the Supreme Court.

This angered the Nat’l Assembly so he announced a referendum to decide if it should be dissolved. At the opening session he gave a speech aimed at intimidating dissenters saying only 80% of those present truly represented the people

Our “champion of democracy” arranged that those voting for dissolution and those against voted in plainly marked booths. The signal was clear: anyone brave enough to vote in opposition would be beaten up by his street hooligans/Tudeh (Communist) supporters.

Dissolution won by 99% of all votes! In one town with a population of 3,000, 18000 votes were cast in favor of Mossadeq’s undemocratic dissolution. His democratic ideals were so far reaching he allowed the dead to vote. Hundreds of people were killed during his rigged elections.

By the time of the counter-coup that toppled him he had 27 gallows put up on Sepah Square to hang his enemies in public. All but approximately 4 days of his premiership were under martial law/curfew. There was nothing democratic about his reign.

While a member of parliament he posed as a champion of the constitution, due process, representative govt, free press; but only in a few months did he do the things mentioned above. Khomeini promised democracy too. Had his revolution not succeeded he too would be touted a great democrat

From 1941-1979 Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi appointed & dismissed 22 PMs (incl. Mossadegh twice) in accordance to the 1906 Constitution.Yet, Mossadeq is the only 1 referred 2 as “democratically elected” despite the fact that all were appointed and dismissed in the same manner.

What set Mossadeq apart from the pack were his political ambitions.After becoming Prime Minister he successfully forced the Shah 2 appoint him Minister of War,granting himself absolute power.He soon replaced officers w/those loyal 2 him, consolidating power to obtain the throne via a coup

When the Shah finally dismissed Mossadegh in accordance with his legal authority under the Constitution of 1906, Mossadeq had the officer who delivered the dismissal decree arrested, his Foreign Minister published an editorial in Bakhtar-e-Emruz denouncing the Shah & called for his ouster.

It’s clear to the objective student of Iranian modern history that Mossadeq initiated a coup against the Shah and the events that followed & led to Mossadegh’s downfall should more appropriately be labeled a “counter-coup”

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There's no source link but yeah that pretty much sums it up.

The Tudeh Party never had a unified perspective on Mossadegh's policies. When they weren't criticizing him as a 'agent of American imperialism', they were saving him from coup attempts. They even led calls for Mossadegh to do away with the Shah and declare a republic, which led to Mossadegh cracking down on the movement.

In my opinion, for the Tudeh Party to have a communist state in Iran, Mossadegh would have to be removed. I don't see a scenario in which the Tudeh Party can work with Mossadegh, who saw himself as an Iranian patriot. In fact, I don't see the Iranian people accepting Communist rule. They had just had their country carved up by the British and the Russians during the late 19th Century. They would most likely see Communist rule as just another form of imperialism.




This should be an advertisement for the slogan 'Be careful what you wish for'.

A lot of us Americans, both ones who oppose the U.S.'s foreign policy and ones who support it, have this narcissistic tendency to assume that everything that happens in the Middle East is in some way connected to something we did either right or wrong. Mossadegh's overthrow didn't have much to do with anything that happened in 1979. The man was an avowed secularist and nationalist who adopted a great deal of western culture, so just logically there's no particular reason why an Islamist movement would think of him as a galvanizing figure. The main reasons it happened were corruption and oppression, the Shah's secularism, westernization, support of Israel, and insults to Khomeini pissing off the mullahs and socially conservative peasantry (and his White Revolution in particular ironically giving them the power to do something about it), and the Rex Cinema Fire. Mossadegh also was really unpopular by the time he was overthrown because of his turn to dictatorship and deep sixing of their economy. Ironically, the Shah achieved what he could not and got Iran's oil into the hands of the Iranian national oil company, which got oil revenue and prosperity flowing to the country. If anybody remembered or cared about any of the 1953 stuff in the country by 1979, they didn't mention it much.
 

mial42

Gone Fishin'
Iran's future is, unfortunately, not likely to be bright. I'd expect Iran to look a bit like India in terms of foreign policy (not officially Communist and nominally unaligned, but broadly oriented towards the SU) and probably pretty close to OTL politically, in terms of autocracy vs democracy. Economically, Mossadegh would probably pursue the same sorts of nationalization and autarchy that were broadly popular in the "Third World" at the time, with similar results: economic stagnation.

It's entirely possible you could still see an Islamist revolution TTL; I doubt the secular, Soviet aligned Mossadegh would be much more palatable than the secular, American aligned Shah to the Islamists.
 
I think there's a decent chance the United States attempts to funnel arms and equipment to discontented Islamists in an attempt to spark an insurgency in rural Iran also..
 
I think there's a decent chance the United States attempts to funnel arms and equipment to discontented Islamists in an attempt to spark an insurgency in rural Iran also..

If Americans decide not launch Operation Ajax they hardly begin de-establish regime of their ally. It just would make Mossadegh closer with USSR.
 
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