What would the Russian empire want if they won world war 1?

I've been looking into into what the Russian empire would want if they won world war 1 and would seek at the table. Note I imagine if they did still win they obviously would have many issues but it's best to assume in this case these are their maximalist goals that they would use first then compromise later at the table.

One interesting thing I learned for Southeastern Anatolia was that their where plans for Russian colonialists to be sent to the region as both a way to make the province easier to rule but also it was quite fertile region. I wonder if the ethnic cleansing and subsequent settlement of soldiers as a reward could have been one of the ''general'' rewards the soldiers of the Russian empire could have looked forward to if they won as a concession by the state. No matter how much it angers the Armenians.

Attempts at controlling the straits and or making the black sea a Russian lake as well. We know the leadership of the empire flirted with the idea of taking Constantinople overtime sometimes viewing it as a serious goal other times as a joke but given how brutal the war would be I can imagine them settling for a kind of Russian influence/owned city even if it's not that useful just as a PR thing for their populace as a grand victory just to show what they've won.

The Austro Hungarian empire is a different matter during their occupation of Galicia their where strong efforts at Russification, forbidding the Ukrainian language and Yiddish, persecuting Catholic priests, Jews and trying to convert the province into Orthodox and oppressing with the aid of the local pro Russian minority. Their where a couple of plans how to incorporate it into Russia but it would have been one of the strongest goals.

For Germany it's a different matter as I can imagine the Russian empire would prefer to ''share'' the Polish threat of nationalism and instead focus on getting the best defensive terrain for another war. Though if a Polish state needed to happen I could see a pure land grab just to make it as weak as possible state to emerge.

Persia is another possible matter, it was a surprisingly useful for Russian empire and they had been occupying Tabriz, Anzali and Rasht since 1911 with the Persian Constitutional Revolution I can see efforts at using it as a bargaining chip with the British or simply slowly annex these parts of Persia.

I can imagine reparations being a major goal given the need to prop the economy after the war.

Anything else they would seek at the diplomatic table?
 
To some extent it depends how they won it. Germany won the war in the East but lost it in the West. It's possible they could win the war comprehensively against the Ottomans & eke out a draw with Germany, or they could lose territory in the Caucuses but win against Germany
 
To some extent it depends how they won it. Germany won the war in the East but lost it in the West. It's possible they could win the war comprehensively against the Ottomans & eke out a draw with Germany, or they could lose territory in the Caucuses but win against Germany
Good point it depends on how the eastern front goes down here. It's not a impossible victory after all.
 
"Victory" covers a lot of different options ranging from Russian troops marching through Berlin in Xmas 1914 to a Russian Empire hanging on under a Provisional government until November 1918.
 
"Victory" covers a lot of different options ranging from Russian troops marching through Berlin in Xmas 1914 to a Russian Empire hanging on under a Provisional government until November 1918.
Hmm, good point I should have specified the type of victory.

I suppose here a Russian victory would be slightly bloody but they are able to achieve some desired goals instead of just trying to keep themselves floating above water.
 

Aphrodite

Banned
the Russians wanted Austria eliminated as a factor in Balkan affairs. Their main aim was to prevent Austrian expansion

As for Germany, a reasonably strong Germany that could threaten France but not Russia would keep the French dependent on Russia

Since the Ottomans join, they'll claim the straits.
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
A victorious Russian Empire is not going to stint on territorial claims after the disaster of 1905 and the humiliation of 1908.

It is certainly going to want Ottoman Armenia and Trebizond

It will want the Straits and Constantinople.

I cannot see it keeping any meaningful commitment to the Poles, beyond perhaps Alexander I's Congress Kingdom, and it would certainly want East Prussia

It would want the dissolution of the Habsburg empire, and from this
- direct annexation of Galicia
- expansion of Serbia

If it gets as far as taking Constantinople as a direct part of the Russian Empire, it is going to want as much of a hinterland as possible, and whilst it might agree to cede Adrianople to the Greeks, Russia is probably going to take a substantial slice of SE Bulgaria, not least in revenge at Bulgaria's abandonment of the putative Slavic cause

If the Ottoman Empire is completely carved up, then Russian expansionism in Anatolia could well be a lot more aggressive than just Erzerum/Erzincan/Trebizond on the one hand and Uskudar/Bursa

It's possible that they would seek to join the Straits to the empire contiguously by annexing the entire North coast, through Sinop. They would look to have dominion over Kurdistan and Mosul if at all possible, as well

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Grey Wolf
 
Could a Russian victory ameliorate, if not stop the 1915 Genocide? IOTL, Armenia voluntarily ascends to the USSR, for protection. ITTL a fellow Christain power would desire sympathetic nations on their boarder.
 
Could a Russian victory ameliorate, if not stop the 1915 Genocide? IOTL, Armenia voluntarily ascends to the USSR, for protection. ITTL a fellow Christain power would desire sympathetic nations on their boarder.
That.. depends it would likely hinder it a far bit but what happened to the Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks was very broad reaction I can see it well containing in locations for a year or two after but yeah I can Russian victory hindering it and it becoming a new part/vassal of the Russian empire and seen as a a new loyal part of the frontier.

Also you would then have them be a key part in cleansing the new taken land.
 
Of course, wanting is not getting. All the major powers had claims, dreams, desires and hopes. Very few of them panned out because, despite victory, the Allies often found themselves to actually master the territory at hand. Now, this alternate war might end differently but the same will probably apply. Just because Russian wanted something doesn't mean it'll find it practical to get it.
 
Of course, wanting is not getting. All the major powers had claims, dreams, desires and hopes. Very few of them panned out because, despite victory, the Allies often found themselves to actually master the territory at hand. Now, this alternate war might end differently but the same will probably apply. Just because Russian wanted something doesn't mean it'll find it practical to get it.
Indeed, this thread is more about the maximalists goals of the Russian empire, be the first round of negotiations then settle for more reasonable ones later as powers do.

Just wondering if I missed any other maximalists goals of the Russian empire for a victory.
 
IIRC Russian minister of foreign affairs Sergei Sazonov talked to his British and French colleagues about annexing part of the East Prussia in the Lower Niemen basin and Eastern part of Galicia; there was also mentions about uniting Kingdom of Poland with Western Galicia (taken from Austria) and Greater Poland (taken from Germany) and giving the Poles large autonomy, although still under tsar's rule. There are however doubts if that was indeed Russian government position or just Sazonov's opinion what it should be.
When Turkey entered the war, Sazonov asked Britan about their opinion about Russia annexing Constantinople, Bosphorus and Dardanelles and Edward Grey did not object. I am not sure about Armenia.
 
In Alexander Watson's 'ring of steel' he lays out Russian plans for the territory they captured. It was quite comprehensive and creepy, full of assumptions about the potential loyalty of various ethnic groups and plans for treatment based on these assumptions. For all the shit the Germans get for their behavior in the east in WW1 the Russians would make them look like rank amateurs in the atrocity stakes if given the opportunity.
 
In Alexander Watson's 'ring of steel' he lays out Russian plans for the territory they captured. It was quite comprehensive and creepy, full of assumptions about the potential loyalty of various ethnic groups and plans for treatment based on these assumptions. For all the shit the Germans get for their behavior in the east in WW1 the Russians would make them look like rank amateurs in the atrocity stakes if given the opportunity.
Anything in particular stand out as land grab/planned ethnic crackdowns?
 

ahmedali

Banned
Constantinople is wanted by the Russians, but it is out of the question, even though Russia wants it, because Britain does not want to give it to the Russians, but to the Greeks.

So we get an OTL position between the Bolsheviks and Mustafa Kemal, but with the condition of the Russians to keep the Sultan as ruler over the Ottoman Sultanate, which is the size of OTL Turkey, but without eastern Anatolia.


As for Germany, they will gain the same gains as Poland, but with the addition of East Prussia (for the dream of hegemony over the Baltics).


There was a plan led by the Russian Foreign Minister Sazanov to annex all German lands to the borders of the Oder River


(The same plans by Stalin, which it turns out that Stalin himself took from the tsarist plans, but without Silesia)


Austria-Hungary wanted Galicia from them, but they did not originally want to break up the Habsburgs


So if the successful scenario of Sixtus mediation happens with a German attempt to invade Austria, it will push them to conciliation


The Austrians and the Russians could ally themselves against Germany, while giving them Silesia in exchange for giving up the Balkans
 
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