Worffan101

Gone Fishin'
Doesn't seem like that to me, I don't know where you're getting that impression.

In fact, I view the world of AANW as a veritable utopia. World peace spearheaded by Anglo-American cultural and military domination of the world? I mean, seriously, where do I sign up?

And if "overbearing patronizing moral myopia" means "people aren't allowed to start wars and commit genocide" then I'm 100% on board with that.
CalBear himself has iirc said that the A4 are less than great dudes. It'll take me a bit of searching but I know that the admin also said the same thing.

Also, what is so great about anglo-american cultural dominance?

Furthermore, how much of Utopia is it when half of France is uninhabitable and Berlin is a walled off crater full of hideous bioweapons, with China going considerably worse than the OTL PRC and Russia literally a depopulated wreck courtesy of Generalplan Ost?
 
Wee bit off-topic, fellas. lol Gentlemen! You can't fight here! This is the rubber room!

I am curious to know, and quite convinced, actually, that the Council of Jehovah is more of an open secret these days in America than a truly secret society. Isn't of so?

Their actual existence is public knowledge but not the membership rolls.

USSA is correct. I've deliberately not talked much about individual members because they are so secret it's not even worth talking about. "Brother Vulture voted no confidence in the leadership of Grand Master Porpoise." It's literally just a roll-call of hooded, code-named nutjobs. It might even be hereditary, passed down from father to son so that no one can know who the members truly are. Their secrecy keeps them free from "papist subversion." They of course know each other, but would never write down real names or whatnot.

Jesus Christ. It's like every batshit idea from the Victorian Age was tossed into a blender, allowed to marinate in tribalist supremacism, and poured across the world. I applaud you Napo. You've made the Victorian West's wildest dreams come true, and turned them into a living nightmare.


So to destroy the religion that they despise, symbolized by the Council of Jehovah, the Illuminati... becomes exactly like the Council of Jehovah...?

Ding-ding-ding. EXACTLY what I wanted to convey. I always said that what Fallout is to the 50s-60s, I wanted this TL to be to the Victorian Era. It's beautiful to see it come to fruition. *single tear of pride*

Also, I think a certain Uncle Addy will have something to say about the loss of piety among fellow Germans.......
 

Worffan101

Gone Fishin'
Ding-ding-ding. EXACTLY what I wanted to convey. I always said that what Fallout is to the 50s-60s, I wanted this TL to be to the Victorian Era. It's beautiful to see it come to fruition. *single tear of pride*
It's a horrifying mishmash of Victorian geopolitics, retro Americana, Bioshock, and Deus Ex in all the worst ways.

And yet nothing in it has yet approached the sheer insanity or planned body count of what OTL Hitler wanted. Truth really is sometimes stranger than fiction.
 
It's a horrifying mishmash of Victorian geopolitics, retro Americana, Bioshock, and Deus Ex in all the worst ways.

And yet nothing in it has yet approached the sheer insanity or planned body count of what OTL Hitler wanted. Truth really is sometimes stranger than fiction.
Clearly it's a sign that stopping the timeline in 191X would be a drastic mistake! It just hasn't gone far enough!
 

Worffan101

Gone Fishin'
Just imagine what, say, 1970 will look like. Dear lord, my metaphorical eyes.
I can't even imagine that and frankly don't want to because I'm pretty sure that whenever the psychopathic bastards running this world get their hands on nukes they'll glass the whole planet within two decades.
 

SuperZtar64

Banned
Except from the textbook History of Human Civilization, the standard high school history textbook in the Commonwealth of the Americas, (C)2334

Section 7: The End Times Era (1812-[DATA EXPUNGED])

The End Times Era, also known as the Old Era, the Second Dark Age, and the Age of Extremism, was the era of human civilization that spanned from the War of 1812 until its timely demise following the [DATA EXPUNGED]. Various other dates have been put forward by historians as a more suitable starting point than 1812, including but not limited to 1910, 1883, 1826, 1801, 1789, 1776, 1698, 1453, 610, 476, and even the birth of Jesus. Also worth mentioning is the sizable group of historians who reject the notion of a distinct End Times Era at all, claiming the entirety of history since the advent of agriculture has been one giant step towards the extinction of the human race, and that we are still in it even today.

The End Times Era is characterized by the industrialization of Europe and North America, the rise of colonialism, and the emergence of Fascist and Beutelist ideologies in opposition to the aristocracy of Europe. It is universally regarded to have been the darkest period in all of human history, replete with genocide, imperialism, religious and governmental oppression, and "terrible and pointless bloodshed" to quote the eminent Russian historian Vladimir Zhirinovsky (2196-2287).

In studying it, one will find the worst of humanity upon every page. There are lingering questions, omnipresent when studying this era, that nag at ones' mind. What possessed the people of this era to resort to these acts we find so repulsive today? Were the people victims of inherent governmental oppression or were these oppressive governments the creation of the people themselves? Are humans naturally predisposed to violence and hatred? What should be the status of religion in the post-End Times world, given its influence in morphing the End Times Era so destructively? Is government desirable? Is Anarchy desirable? Is existence itself desirable? Why?

These are all questions that you should be asking yourselves and discussing with your classmates over this next semester.
 
Except from the textbook History of Human Civilization, the standard high school history textbook in the Commonwealth of the Americas, (C)2334

Section 7: The End Times Era (1812-[DATA EXPUNGED])

The End Times Era, also known as the Old Era, the Second Dark Age, and the Age of Extremism, was the era of human civilization that spanned from the War of 1812 until its timely demise following the [DATA EXPUNGED]. Various other dates have been put forward by historians as a more suitable starting point than 1812, including but not limited to 1910, 1883, 1826, 1801, 1789, 1776, 1698, 1453, 610, 476, and even the birth of Jesus.

This is beautiful, SuperZ.

Also, the list of suitable starting points immediately made me think of the Alfred scene from the LEGO Batman movie for some reason. lol


Skip to 40 seconds in, lol.

Is existence itself desirable? Why?

This is gold.
 
Ding-ding-ding. EXACTLY what I wanted to convey. I always said that what Fallout is to the 50s-60s, I wanted this TL to be to the Victorian Era. It's beautiful to see it come to fruition. *single tear of pride*
when you finish, will you do a madness story but instead of the worse of the Victorian era, it will be for the 20th century?
 
when you finish, will you do a madness story but instead of the worse of the Victorian era, it will be for the 20th century?

I would love to, but sadly I believe it has already been done:

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just because fallout did it, doesn't mean you can't do your own version with your own ideas and perspective.

I HAVE had an idea for a Huey Long timeline or a universe where the 1970s never ended. I guess you could call the 70s one "What Malaise Is This?" or perhaps "Is MALAISE an Instrument?" :p But at any rate I'm sticking with WMIT for now. I still have plans to eventually write actual novels, hopefully eventually get a HOI4 mod, and make documentaries/short films all set in this universe. One of the reasons I stopped my Pay the Bonus timeline is because the USA in that universe was very similar to this universe, and I would honestly have more fun writing about this one, thus the reboot. Madness is the total sum of my imagination to create a vibrant and living world with its own rich and distinctive character and feel, and starting in the 1700s rather than 1930s allows me to do way more things to make it more interesting.

Who knows? Maybe one day there will be a Madness movie! After I sell out and let them take all the "offensive"/"uncomofortable"/obscure/enjoyable/fun parts, just like the heinous aborted Fallout movie back in the late 1990s/early 2000s that wasn't even going to be set in a retrofuture. lol
 
I HAVE had an idea for a Huey Long timeline or a universe where the 1970s never ended. I guess you could call the 70s one "What Malaise Is This?" or perhaps "Is MALAISE an Instrument?" :p But at any rate I'm sticking with WMIT for now. I still have plans to eventually write actual novels, hopefully eventually get a HOI4 mod, and make documentaries/short films all set in this universe. One of the reasons I stopped my Pay the Bonus timeline is because the USA in that universe was very similar to this universe, and I would honestly have more fun writing about this one, thus the reboot. Madness is the total sum of my imagination to create a vibrant and living world with its own rich and distinctive character and feel.

Who knows? Maybe one day there will be a Madness movie! After I sell out and let them take all the "offensive"/"uncomofortable"/obscure/enjoyable/fun parts, just like the heinous aborted Fallout movie back in the late 1990s/early 2000s that wasn't even going to be set in a retrofuture. lol
maybe you can incorporate the ideas you hade for a never-ending 1970s into this timeline. what were your ideas for that timeline anyway?
 
maybe you can incorporate the ideas you hade for a never-ending 1970s into this timeline. what were your ideas for that timeline anyway?

I wasn't too sure, I just had an image in my head of what that universe could look like. I'm probably going to use the aesthetic I imagined for it in WMIT. I imagine computers not being nearly as popular ITTL and the Wagon Queen Family Truckster is probably going to be all the rage among car owners.

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Worffan101

Gone Fishin'
I think the main problem with a Madness HOI4 mod is that the only realistic possible future for it is nuclear annihilation. And every single faction are various brands of insane scumbag. It'd just be no fun to play, IMO, without some more moral options.

Then again, I'm a big fan of Kaiserreich, and believe that its approach (where pretty much every nation has options of varying morality and even the Obviously Evil states at game start can be overthrown or replaced by less awful regimes) is by far the best experience of any grand strategy game.
 
I wasn't too sure, I just had an image in my head of what that universe could look like. I'm probably going to use the aesthetic I imagined for it in WMIT. I imagine computers not being nearly as popular ITTL and the Wagon Queen Family Truckster is probably going to be all the rage among car owners.

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the 70s! the time where all the good of the 60s party too hard and had such a bad hangover that everyone decides to go ultra conservative in the 80s and decide to never go back to that era again. speaking about the 80s, are you going to infuse the worse of 80s megacorporations with your Victorian-era megacorporations?
 
speaking about the 80s, are you going to infuse the worse of 80s megacorporations with your Victorian-era megacorporations?

Faster than you can say "Win one for the Gipper!" America is oddly capitalism unhinged, and yet also socialist. It's amusing.

I think the main problem with a Madness HOI4 mod is that the only realistic possible future for it is nuclear annihilation. And every single faction are various brands of insane scumbag. It'd just be no fun to play, IMO, without some more moral options.

Then again, I'm a big fan of Kaiserreich, and believe that its approach (where pretty much every nation has options of varying morality and even the Obviously Evil states at game start can be overthrown or replaced by less awful regimes) is by far the best experience of any grand strategy game.

Of course, canon could be tweaked for gameplay purposes. If one averts the Illuminists from banning all religion they become nutty white hats. If Theodore Roosevelt overthrows Steele, one could easily imagine him being a possible democratic answer, especially since ITTL he wanted a free and fair election like "two gentlemen" before he was unceremoniously shot. Also, if the RU loses a war, essentially the entire AFC framework falls to pieces and civil war would almost certainly break out. The Southron states would likely try to form Columbia while the west gets overrun with a Californian superstate. Other states probably become their own nations with their own governors seizing absolute power to keep order. There's potential.

You could even think the objective is "Fix the world. PLEASE. WE'RE BEGGING YOU."

EDIT: Also, the Bonapartes ITTL so far are not much worse than Victorian Britain was OTL. They're about the same, moral-wise. Of course, they obliterated Catalonia, but they aren't still quite past redeemable territory. If Napoleon V is a sane person or an enlightened despot and his successors aren't genocidal madmen, they could achieve, essentially, present-day Britain status (with a bit of the ol' absolutism still there, but not utilized for fear of revolt) ... if the world lasts until present day.
 
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Faster than you can say "Win one for the Gipper!" America is oddly capitalism unhinged, and yet also socialist. It's amusing
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so for the 60s, will there be inferior race wars and inferior version of the black panthers? also since the 70s are going to be nightmare parodies will there be oil crises and economic malaise that likes of which no man or god has seen before!
 

Worffan101

Gone Fishin'
EDIT: Also, the Bonapartes ITTL so far are not much worse than Victorian Britain was OTL. They're about the same, moral-wise. Of course, they obliterated Catalonia, but they aren't still quite past redeemable territory. If Napoleon V is a sane person or an enlightened despot and his successors aren't genocidal madmen, they could achieve, essentially, present-day Britain status (with a bit of the ol' absolutism still there, but not utilized for fear of revolt) ... if the world lasts until present day.
...on the flip side, Victorian Britain's metropole was a democracy. A corrupt and flawed one, but still a democracy. Napoleonic Europe is just autocracy with nominal protections for minorities and shiny shoes. And all the colonialism and scummy associated crap of OTL.

I dunno. I just don't want to play a game where the only option is psychopathic fascism, I guess.
 
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