To the Victor, Go the Spoils (Redux): A Plausible Central Powers Victory

A French Fascism/Right-Totalitarianism would look more like Mussolini or Franco than Hitler IMO. Even then, Fascist France is no guarantee, although I think it's more likely than Commie France, since the Third Republic was very left wing for the time.
I agree. Any fascist France would be like Franco or Mussolini. Nazis in particular are hard to replicate
 
Great update! French politics at that period are enough to make your head spin so kudos to not only keeping it all straight 😆 but writing it in a way that was pretty easy to follow!
 
Though I have to ask, and this might just be a standard I'm not aware of, what's with the differing colorization of Estonia/Courland/Lithuania/Ukraine/Crimea/Georgia vs Belarus/Livonia? I'd assume it's some measure of control, with Poland being example of even less control with its national color and german border, as opposed to vice-versa?
Basically, as you expected, varying degrees of independence. Colour outline and a grey background is a state run by Germany with a semblance of independence. A grey outline with a colour background is an independent state under the direction of Germany (Ukraine should be like this but I forgot). A grey area of another state is just an occupied zone.

Are the -what-I-assume-to-be -rebels in Spanish Africa the Rif?
Correct

And there are two rebellions in French Morocco, one of which is labeled? What is the other one?
Well there is the named revolt, which was essentially a nationalist revolt of tribes in the mountains against French rule, and then there is the actual Moroccan monarchy who were pretty much destroyed militarily but not totally destroyed prior to the war.

Libya, is the orange-brown the remaining Italian control?
That is, as you say, the last holdouts of Italian authority in Libya. Historically Italy failed to really pacify Libya and largely only held the cities on the coast until Mussolini's days. There is also the Republic of Tripolitania which was established during the war as an attempt to reverse Italian colonization, while rejecting the senoissi.
Now for a question, shouldn't Prussia have annexed that area further north of Luxembourg?
That has become Reichsland Luttich - Liege.

I might be forgetting something, but what's that shading in northern Italy and Syria?
I think Syria is the joint british-arab forces ocupation and the northen Italy one is the italian units revolting.
It is indeed the joint Anglo-Arab occupation of Syria, more on that later. Shading in Italy is the ongoing civil disruption in the north, more on that next update.

Speaking of which, next update: Italy.
 
Basically, as you expected, varying degrees of independence. Colour outline and a grey background is a state run by Germany with a semblance of independence. A grey outline with a colour background is an independent state under the direction of Germany (Ukraine should be like this but I forgot). A grey area of another state is just an occupied zone.


Correct


Well there is the named revolt, which was essentially a nationalist revolt of tribes in the mountains against French rule, and then there is the actual Moroccan monarchy who were pretty much destroyed militarily but not totally destroyed prior to the war.


That is, as you say, the last holdouts of Italian authority in Libya. Historically Italy failed to really pacify Libya and largely only held the cities on the coast until Mussolini's days. There is also the Republic of Tripolitania which was established during the war as an attempt to reverse Italian colonization, while rejecting the senoissi.

That has become Reichsland Luttich - Liege.



It is indeed the joint Anglo-Arab occupation of Syria, more on that later. Shading in Italy is the ongoing civil disruption in the north, more on that next update.

Speaking of which, next update: Italy.
On the topic of Italy, is it in a civil war?
And speaking of civil wars, how are the Russian Whites doing?
(Is the Allied intervention in Arkhangelsk shaded in stripes in the colors of occupyibg powers?)
 
On the topic of Italy, is it in a civil war?
You'll find out next update. At the moment I wouldn't characterize it as a civil war. Essentially the north of the country is locked in a political battle with the south due to the rise of workers councils that have essentially taken over administration of northern cities through popular acclamation. Government institutions still exist, but are either ignored or have ceased to operate. Police are largely ignored or have joined the new administration and the army has not quelled the civil disorder partly out of concern about the consequences and partly because most of Italy's soldiers were peasants who sympathize with the peasants in the countryside also in revolt and seizing land from the wealthy estates.

Basically it's sort of like how the south in the US politically seperate prior to the civil war, with elements of the period prior to the Russian Revolution where peasants and workers kinda just took things into their own hands in some areas.

And speaking of civil wars, how are the Russian Whites doing?
That's for a later update, but for the moment best way to imagine the situation is that it's nearly identical to OTL, as there have been no direct effects that would impact the war there yet (as of the end of WW1).
 
Well, there's still time for a French Hitler to take power, this is only 1919.

But since the author has expressed a desire to keep a multipolar world, it's unlikely that even if France goes authoritarian down the line, it'll ever be a brand that we can recognizably call a version of conventional nazism/fascism
A French Fascism/Right-Totalitarianism would look more like Mussolini or Franco than Hitler IMO. Even then, Fascist France is no guarantee, although I think it's more likely than Commie France, since the Third Republic was very left wing for the time.

I'd guess what we know as the "Crisis of 1936" OTL would come earlier and harder than OTL. The various groups listed would likely be more radical and more inclined to disband "The Republic" given the loss.

Randy
 
One possibility to consider is that if things get too unhinged in Italy Pope Benedict might relocate to France (it's not like this has never been done before) This should have an impact on French politics.
 
One possibility to consider is that if things get too unhinged in Italy Pope Benedict might relocate to France (it's not like this has never been done before) This should have an impact on French politics.
For a second there I thought you were referring to Benedict XVI, but looking at the list, it is indeed Benedict XV.
 
Theres also Germany (they considered it 1870) and Spain. I think theyd want to stay in Europe so Latin America is out.
Ireland once it gains independence? Might seems a bit out there at first glance, but in a situation where the Papacy does find it prudent to move, the idea of relocating to an island might seem sensible.
 
I do wonder how the Shandong Question will play out in this universe. China obviously has less of a case that Jiaozhou should have been given back to them, but people will still be angry about it.
 
If Japan still goes after Manchuria would the germans back the KMT if they're in power? By backing I'm mean equipment and training like they did OTL.
 
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If Japan still goes after Manchurai would the germans back the KMT if they're in power? By backing I'm mean equipment and training like they did OTL.
This is still 1919, that's quite a big if. At this point Duan Qirui's Anfu Club totally dominates the government and the GMD is in the process of being reduced to irrelevancy as the Guangxi Clique shunts them out of power in Guangdong. Without Soviet support, a distinct possibility given that we can't predict what happens to Russia, the GMD could never gather enough power to launch a successful Northern Expedition. The changes in the factors leading to the Shandong Question TTL could very well make it less of an impact on Duan Qirui's legitimacy and therefore keep the Anfu Club in power, too, which would mean a reunified China under the Anfu Club.
 
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This is still 1919, that's quite a big if. At this point Duan Qirui's Anfu Club totally dominates the government and the GMD is in the process of being reduced to irrelevancy as the Guangxi Clique shunts them out of power in Guangdong. Without Soviet support, a distinct possibility given that we can't predict what happens to Russia, the GMD could never gather enough power to launch a successful Northern Expedition.
I see, this TL is just a Chen Jionming wank in disguise
 
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