As Brazil Empire could become the THIRD superpower and power during the Cold War to have a third block (I have the idea of a block that defends the monarchy), how could the Western world be divided into Brazil and the United States,


What would be the vision of Americans with the South American superpower?


The role of religions as the largest Catholic nation (Brazil) against the largest Protestant nation (United States)?

Would it be possible for Portuguese and English to be languages with equal influence in the world instead of English being the world language?

TIMELINE

The prince of Brazil survives or the princess Isabel abdicates in favor of her son

After independence, Brazil obtains the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique,

Somehow, in Vienna coferencia of the united kingdom of Portugal and Brazil maintain French Guiana,

After independence maintains Uruguay,

It avoids the war in Paraguay, so it is capable of, in the coming decades Brazil obtains the other two Guianas,

Abolished the slavery around 1860-1880,

Coming to establish a more democratic monarchy

Brazil remains neutral in the conflicts in South America, such as the Pacific War


Brazil controls the Panama Canal (which helps the independence of Panama and the United States the Nicaragua Channel

In World War I, he enters the side of the Allies (perhaps he gets part of the German colonies in Africa)

During the inter-war period, Brazil and the United States

Brazil helps Spain in the Spanish Civil War

In World War II, Brazil and the United States play a similar role to the role of the United States in our TIME line,

With the end of the war sengunda Europe is divided in the American block of the Brazilian block and the Soviet block (of the British Empire is between Brazil and the United States), Germany and is divided in Germany of the south of Germany of the north and east of Germany, the You can see on the map for Europe

Could Japan be divided?

Brazil helps the kingdom of Yugoslavia to survive

America could oppose monarchies and communism?


Now I want to know what the world would be like with a third superpower in the Cold War game and the post-Cold War world,

The Chinese civil war, the decolonization of Asia and Africa?

The space race

The role of religions as the largest Catholic nation (Brazil) against the largest Protestant nation (United States)?

Would it be possible for Portuguese and English to be languages with equal influence in the world instead of English being the world language?

Would the world have more democratic monarchies (that Europe has more monarchies like the kingdom of Greece?

After the Second War did the British be on that side?

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1. Wrong forum. This belongs in before 1900.
2. I see you're a Brazilian nationalist. Unfortunately I don't see how this leads to a superpower Brazil. At best it leads to Brazil becoming a great power, which it easily could have had it chosen to become one.
3. Butterfly effect means that the World Wars will not happen as they did.
4. Some things don't make sense. Why was Brazil given Portuguese colonies? Why do they meddle in Europe? Why not just concentrate on dominating South America and their parts of Africa?
5. Brazil and the US would be rivals, pure and simple. Initially they'd butt heads (especially over Panama), but once the Soviets show up and gobble half of Europe post WWII, they will be best buddies, if disagreeing if it's better to appoint a prince or a dictator to left-leaning countries.
6. Japan is not getting split up. Japan will be a sideshow compared to the Germans, who have sunk Brazilian shipping and threaten Spain. Chances are the war ends sooner with additional US resources being sent against Japan while the Brazilians take up the slack, and then some, in Europe. Brazil may be sitting at the peace table with Japan, but China will have a bigger voice than them due to having bled much harder and much longer.
7. Religion may be a dimension of US-Brazilian rivalry, but it'd become a unifying force during the Cold War. In God We Trust was added to US currency to spite the godless USSR. A deeply religious country opposed to Communism and capable of weeding it out of its back yard would be a blessing for the US. It will be a symbol of civilized countries facing off against barbarism.
8. Your postwar map is very wrong. The Brazilians won't have sway in Morocco, the US will protect its friend. Sweden won't go Brazilian because it's safer being neutral. Austria will be split up between the Allies as OTL. If Greece and Yugoslavia are pro-Brazil, you can bet your ass that Brazil and the US will work to throw out the Albanian Communists while they're still entrenching themselves. Albania will likely go blue or green. Why is Belgium pro-Brazil? It'd make more sense to be pro-American since they have more allies and troops in the area. In fact, why are the WAllies shown as different entities outside of Germany? They'd present a unified front against the Soviets.
 
1. Wrong forum. This belongs in before 1900.
2. I see you're a Brazilian nationalist. Unfortunately I don't see how this leads to a superpower Brazil. At best it leads to Brazil becoming a great power, which it easily could have had it chosen to become one.
3. Butterfly effect means that the World Wars will not happen as they did.
4. Some things don't make sense. Why was Brazil given Portuguese colonies? Why do they meddle in Europe? Why not just concentrate on dominating South America and their parts of Africa?
5. Brazil and the US would be rivals, pure and simple. Initially they'd butt heads (especially over Panama), but once the Soviets show up and gobble half of Europe post WWII, they will be best buddies, if disagreeing if it's better to appoint a prince or a dictator to left-leaning countries.
6. Japan is not getting split up. Japan will be a sideshow compared to the Germans, who have sunk Brazilian shipping and threaten Spain. Chances are the war ends sooner with additional US resources being sent against Japan while the Brazilians take up the slack, and then some, in Europe. Brazil may be sitting at the peace table with Japan, but China will have a bigger voice than them due to having bled much harder and much longer.
7. Religion may be a dimension of US-Brazilian rivalry, but it'd become a unifying force during the Cold War. In God We Trust was added to US currency to spite the godless USSR. A deeply religious country opposed to Communism and capable of weeding it out of its back yard would be a blessing for the US. It will be a symbol of civilized countries facing off against barbarism.
8. Your postwar map is very wrong. The Brazilians won't have sway in Morocco, the US will protect its friend. Sweden won't go Brazilian because it's safer being neutral. Austria will be split up between the Allies as OTL. If Greece and Yugoslavia are pro-Brazil, you can bet your ass that Brazil and the US will work to throw out the Albanian Communists while they're still entrenching themselves. Albania will likely go blue or green. Why is Belgium pro-Brazil? It'd make more sense to be pro-American since they have more allies and troops in the area. In fact, why are the WAllies shown as different entities outside of Germany? They'd present a unified front against the Soviets.




I'm working on a timeline how would it be if the united kingdom of Portugal and Brazil survived what you think would be the effects in the world (especially the world wars and the cold war)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_Portugal,_Brazil_and_the_Algarves
 

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A major issue Brazil would have becoming a true Super Power is demographics. Brazil's population was around 20% of the US population during most of the first quarter of the 20th century. Brazil kept its borders largely open to Europeans until the 1950s and maintained a substantially higher fertility rate than the US did up until recently, and still only finds its population at about 210 million to America's 330. If Brazil develops faster those birth rates will drop much faster and more severely to a point where increases in life expectancy won't do much to cancel the decline. Of course, a more prosperous Brazil can attract more immigrants, but they will likely need an extra 15 million net immigrants just to reach OTL population levels. Brazil will need a natalist government with far more immigration and levels of per capita development comparable to the US to be considered a Super Power, but even then they would be the second Super Power to the US.

I still think a Brazilian rival to the US would be interesting. Brazil could do the opposite of the Soviet Union and attack the US from the right. An Enlightened Absolute Monarch vs a Progressive Democratic Republic. Catholic vs Protestant. Anglo racial hierarchy vs Latin racial hierarchy. Moderately Theocratic vs Secular. A Brazil that goes on to embrace an overtly Capitalist system during the Cold War and maintains it, while Socialism becomes more popular in the US among Millennials. Unlike the Soviets, they can match the US in living standards with the right PoD and surpass most of Europe.

Both countries could legitimately claim to be the true leader of Western Culture without either being clearly right or wrong. Open trade, travel, and communications between reasonably serious rivals in the 21st century creating interesting comments sections on social media and popular culture. Brazil could represent traditionalist forces ideologically competing with the US (and EU) over things like abortion, gay rights, a Liberal Internationalist view of foreign relations vs an IR Realist that is fairly supportive of Russia and secular dictatorships in the ME.

The two sides could be WWII buddies (with Brazil getting moderately involved in the war, as per OTL) and then become very close allies in the Cold War who overlook each others big differences. But within a few decades things have soiled and both feel fairly betrayed by the other, with neither side really intending to come into conflict, but a combination of cultural changes in the US, Russia and the ME, and incompetence and indifference by diplomats cause relations to collapse.

All of this would obviously butterfly away the OTL, but I still think the idea of a right wing traditionalist rival to the US in the modern era would be interesting.
 
As Brazil Empire could become the THIRD superpower and power during the Cold War to have a third block (I have the idea of a block that defends the monarchy), how could the Western world be divided into Brazil and the United States,


What would be the vision of Americans with the South American superpower?


The role of religions as the largest Catholic nation (Brazil) against the largest Protestant nation (United States)?

Would it be possible for Portuguese and English to be languages with equal influence in the world instead of English being the world language?

TIMELINE

The prince of Brazil survives or the princess Isabel abdicates in favor of her son

After independence, Brazil obtains the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique,

Somehow, in Vienna coferencia of the united kingdom of Portugal and Brazil maintain French Guiana,

After independence maintains Uruguay,

It avoids the war in Paraguay, so it is capable of, in the coming decades Brazil obtains the other two Guianas,

Abolished the slavery around 1860-1880,

Coming to establish a more democratic monarchy

Brazil remains neutral in the conflicts in South America, such as the Pacific War


Brazil controls the Panama Canal (which helps the independence of Panama and the United States the Nicaragua Channel

In World War I, he enters the side of the Allies (perhaps he gets part of the German colonies in Africa)

During the inter-war period, Brazil and the United States

Brazil helps Spain in the Spanish Civil War

In World War II, Brazil and the United States play a similar role to the role of the United States in our TIME line,

With the end of the war sengunda Europe is divided in the American block of the Brazilian block and the Soviet block (of the British Empire is between Brazil and the United States), Germany and is divided in Germany of the south of Germany of the north and east of Germany, the You can see on the map for Europe

Could Japan be divided?

Brazil helps the kingdom of Yugoslavia to survive

America could oppose monarchies and communism?


Now I want to know what the world would be like with a third superpower in the Cold War game and the post-Cold War world,

The Chinese civil war, the decolonization of Asia and Africa?

The space race

The role of religions as the largest Catholic nation (Brazil) against the largest Protestant nation (United States)?

Would it be possible for Portuguese and English to be languages with equal influence in the world instead of English being the world language?

Would the world have more democratic monarchies (that Europe has more monarchies like the kingdom of Greece?

After the Second War did the British be on that side?
 

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No, if you read the third post, the person was working on a brasileiro-portugal timeline and unfortunately made a mistake on posting it on Post-1900.
i mean he's acting pretty off and it's not past a lot of trolls to dedicate some effort into writing TLs if they think it'll help them ultimately troll better.
 

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Why would you do this?

Granted your previous thread was eviscerated by commentators, but that doesn't justify restarting.

Threads merged.
 
Probably just found out about the genre and wants to write a TL on an ASB subject. Remember: We all sucked at AH once

Also, he is Brazilian, so that's maybe why he has broken english

It'll be great if AH.com was multilingual, too, or at least have links to good English-translation programmes and the like.
 
Probably just found out about the genre and wants to write a TL on an ASB subject. Remember: We all sucked at AH once

Also, he is Brazilian, so that's maybe why he has broken english
alright, fair enough. and yeah i guess i should be a little more careful in my judgement.
 
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