Fun fact: nixonshead produced that image originally, and was kind enough to use the assets he created to render a "stripped-down" version of the station in its embryonic form.
Thank you, Ogrebear! Superb. One of my favourite words, especially when applied to the fruits of my labourSuperb update!
I'll get more into this in a subsequent reply, but suffice it to say that e of pi is in charge of the design; fitting, given that he is an aerospace engineerOgrebear said:I really like your space posts, esp the alt designs and reusing bits of rockets, so this was perfect.
Indeed they are; I'm very, very lucky to have nixonshead on board, and willing to volunteer his increasingly precious free time!Ogrebear said:The two renders are fantastic.
Thank you, Daibhid!Hmm, TTL!Daibhid is ten. This would be the most awesome thing ever to him. 40 year old OTL Daibhid thinks it's pretty cool as well.
First of all, welcome aboard, TheBatafour! You've said some very lovely things about TWR elsewhere on this forum, and it's really nice to see you now saying them here as well Kudos to you for remembering my consultants, without whom I like to think this timeline would be incalculably poorer.Oh my god, brainbin, e of pi, nixonshead and Dan1988, what amazing people you are! When I think I've read this timeline's best stuff, along comes this lovely spacey update.
Well, you know, not everything has to be changed from OTLTheBatafour said:Olympia looks lovely. Plenty of room in the Skylab-on-steroids core, enough docking nodes for a whole fleet of space shuttles, and international lab modules. And yes I did notice the Canadarm!
Indeed it does! And don't worry, I never object to speculation and conjecture about the possibilities of TTL, however passionately they may be deliveredTheBatafour said:Now, Brainbin, as true author of this timeline, I know you're not waiting for a rant as I have just presented you with. But hey, I feel like it has amazing cultural implications!
Thank you very much for this profuse praise, but you know what they say: always leave the audience wanting moreTheBatafour said:Whatever happens, it's a shame we can't get to see it.
Though I'm far from an expert on these topics, I do like discussing them, and I hope someone can get something interesting out of this frankly oversized post. In the meantime, keep writing all of you, and especially Brainbin, it's great as ever
Thank you!I love everything about this.
Fantastic update as always Brainbin.
Excellent question! Allow me to guide you through my thought process.If I might now digress from this digression, how did you go about creating this ATL space program? For example, was the CSA a reaction to an idea by Brainbin of isolating the UK from Europe, or did your idea of such an agency trigger the political background? And looking to the future, where do you see timelines like these going? While I saw hints of it in ETS, a twenty-person space station in the mid-1980s isn't nothing, and must certainly lead to significant scientific and technological advances. We've already seen one in the form of better solar panel tech of course, but I'm curious about any general trends in these spinoff successes.
I felt that the upset 1970 victory IOTL of Edward Heath's Tories over the incumbent Wilson Labour government was likely subject to the butterflies which would be spreading worldwide by this time, and honestly I was intrigued by the possibilities of having Wilson hold onto power instead - primarily because, as you note, such a happenstance would likely change the fate of Britain's relationship with the EEC. Heath was a staunch eurofederalist - the most europhile PM the UK has ever had. And even he had a great deal of difficulty bringing the UK into the EEC. Someone more ambivalent, like Wilson, probably would not have been able to do so, especially since much of his Labour Party opposed joining the EEC.
I knew that Britain joining the EEC nullified its existing trade agreements with outside parties, including the reciprocity with Australia and New Zealand which was the remnant of the old Imperial Preference system, and that this crippled their economies (between that and the Overseas Quagmire, Australia was hobbled in the 1970s IOTL - they did a lot better ITTL). This reciprocity would remain in place ITTL, and shut out from the EEC, Wilson (and then Whitelaw) would be forced to build on those instead - and the obvious place to start would be the other member states of the Commonwealth, particularly Canada. Thus, the Commonwealth Trade Agreement was born. Obviously that would breed cooperation elsewhere, and when e of pi and I got to discussing the ESA without Britain, and what Britain (still a Great Power) would do outside the ESA, we eventually unearthed an OTL shadow project for an all-British rocket to replace Europa, which involved swapping in Black Arrow for Coralie and Astris. There was also an OTL concept for a Blue Streak-Centaur multi-stage rocket, so we essentially combined the two ideas to arrive at a workable rocket capable of launching substantial payload to orbit. It wouldn't be feasible for the UK to build Centaurs themselves, and the country in the Commonwealth best placed to build the Centaur stage after the UK (to thus share the burden of costs) was obviously Canada. That led to us deciding that Australia would be just about capable of building the tiny third stage by itself; thus, the CSA was born.
Our process in arriving at this was basically that I had a very broad vision for what I wanted, and I entrusted e of pi to find the material necessary to make it happen, which we would cobble together in a collaborative fashion. This is basically how almost all conceptual work we've done with regards to space exploration for TWR has developed.
Well, you know, it's like poetry.TheBatafour said:You know what, I'll stop myself here, no need to clutter this lovely timeline up with pages upon pages of space-stuff. And yes, these next updates are going to be great! Although the clip you linked references the Phantom Menace of course, which is the part of THAT metaphor I'm not sure can be appreciated
I figured you might get a kick out of it, Andrew (In my head, the lyric "I Want It Yesterday" weirdly has the same melody as "I Can Do Anything!" (note: not an actual lyric in that song.)Words cannot express how much I love this.
Don't forget, before Madonna really hit it big, Cyndi Lauper played up the "sexy" angle of her persona a lot more, before Madonna's "sex kitten" phase basically made her efforts redundant, to the point where she's not even remembered as a sex symbol anymore; just a kooky, fun-loving weirdo (despite being the woman who wrote and performed "She Bop", which, well... speaks for itself).Well, I imagine her being either a very 'material' girl, or what some might describe as 'unusual'.
(Since I just had a brain-fart and tried to look up the song, which naturally doesn't exist , I can only guess it's either Madonna or Cindi Lauper; unless it's someone a bit more obscure. )