Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

Maybe loose the barham still but not with alot of life losses as a retcon of sorts since you are mainly describing fighting the close escort squadron rather than the 2 kongos . Sink in a hour or two after the hits and the losses be mainly from the initial hits.
Also maybe have it take place late evening so aircraft arent as useful and early enough so retreating is rather viable , maybe have the repulse be the only real ship that got damaged the following morning by air attack ? And have the japanese casualties be mainly from getting into range and have what survived thatretreat after the long lance attack and the british not pursuing cause of it and thats why alot of the survived but they finish up a few cripples before leaving ?

The main things needed after the reinforcements arrive is battle casulaty replacements and supplies with alot of air help with infantry tanks i guess. Also hopefully have like 2-3 extra carriers sent , maybe 2 bigger ones and the eagle maybe so the eastern fleet is a serious fleet in being threat and could fight the japanese if they dont send the entire carrier fleet at them. Hell british loosing most of them but sinking around the same amount in return would be a massive butterfly and would be worth the losses to be honest for example.

And maybe sending someone to be percivals boss , its abit late to do this now realisticly , despite his historical reputation being rather bad the main issue was that the british werent really preparing for the invasion till spring/summer of 41 and they had africa and soviet help sucking up the available stuff for malaya and burma . But if you want to steal a idea , you could send lord gort out and keep percival as the chief of staff or whatever the position is called so you keep the local knowledge.

I know churchill didnt like gort much but there arent that many senior people to send out east and whatever you might say about gort , he seemed to do well on the defensive and had real balls to do what was needed even if you can still whine about his battle of france performance somewhat but that was excused somewhat by both the sickle cut and the belgian surrender to be honest.
 
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Maybe loose the barham still but not with alot of life losses as a retcon of sorts since you are mainly describing fighting the close escort squadron rather than the 2 kongos . Sink in a hour or two after the hits and the losses be mainly from the initial hits.
Otl Barham went down in about five minutes after being torpedoed.

 
Otl Barham went down in about five minutes after being torpedoed.

After being torpedoed 4 times.

Which is why I made the point that Barham sinking quickly probably meant 2+ hits which might have been unrealistic success for a single salvo of long Lance torpedoes (especially when there is also a hit on repulse meaning 3 hits overall).

That said things happen in battle and the Japanese can be lucky.
 
Why is it unlikely that there were 2 hits on Barham, no range has been stated, so it could be a short range melee, in which case UK torpedoes will have probably come up with a lot of hits as well.

The loss of Barham and Fiji smarts a bit but can be replaced by moving RN forces about and speeding up the Dido and Crown colony completions, the IJN loss of 4 heavy cruisers is a big blow that cannot be replaced, this knocks on to the escorts available for the invasion of the Dutch East indies, making interception from allied forces more likely.

Good update Allan, no need to move away from the core story the colour added by the small updates on the air and naval war are enough.
 
Why is it unlikely that there were 2 hits on Barham, no range has been stated, so it could be a short range melee, in which case UK torpedoes will have probably come up with a lot of hits as well.

The loss of Barham and Fiji smarts a bit but can be replaced by moving RN forces about and speeding up the Dido and Crown colony completions, the IJN loss of 4 heavy cruisers is a big blow that cannot be replaced, this knocks on to the escorts available for the invasion of the Dutch East indies, making interception from allied forces more likely.

Good update Allan, no need to move away from the core story the colour added by the small updates on the air and naval war are enough.
Perhaps more critical than the cruisers is the transports that went down. at least four sank, fully loaded, in deep water, likely taking most of their passengers and all of their equipment with them.
 
I wonder if the US Navy takes notice earlier that the Dutch and English Submarines actually sink ships with torpedo's, where as their own torpedo's don't
 
Why is it unlikely that there were 2 hits on Barham, no range has been stated, so it could be a short range melee, in which case UK torpedoes will have probably come up with a lot of hits as well.

The loss of Barham and Fiji smarts a bit but can be replaced by moving RN forces about and speeding up the Dido and Crown colony completions, the IJN loss of 4 heavy cruisers is a big blow that cannot be replaced, this knocks on to the escorts available for the invasion of the Dutch East indies, making interception from allied forces more likely.

Good update Allan, no need to move away from the core story the colour added by the small updates on the air and naval war are enough.
It could have been a stern hit wrecking her shafts and rudder (Bismarck/POW hit) and causing major flooding in her machinary spaces and then a 2nd hit on the stationary vessel causes further problems.

Without power and in danger of capsizing, with little chance of saving her the ship is abandoned and then capsizes

The OTL death of Barham was 3 torpedoes all fired with no spread ie they all hit the same area of the ship from very close range overwhelming what torpedo defences she had.
 
You know making the Japanese stretch what passes for their logistics and supply line will probably what will kill their forces in Malay since they will have start eating what ever passes for their pack animals.
 
You know making the Japanese stretch what passes for their logistics and supply line will probably what will kill their forces in Malay since they will have start eating what ever passes for their pack animals.
they start practising eating long pork pork earlier?
 
You know making the Japanese stretch what passes for their logistics and supply line will probably what will kill their forces in Malay since they will have start eating what ever passes for their pack animals.
As they did in OTL they'll confiscate it from the local Thai & Malay population & if they starve it's a sacrifice the Japanese are willing to make for Coprosperity.
 
Yeesss!!! Lentils with Bovril were a staple of my childhood I loved. So Marmite, vegemite etc are similars? I think (Amazon being ,not really, your friend) I am going to try them.
Sorry for the OT
Bovril is different to Marmite, vegemite etc. Bovril is produced from cows the others are yeast extracts.

They are similar in that they are a brown very thick liquid and are salty.

Bovril can be used in larger volumes as a base for soups and sauces etc and you can drink it. The most you can use the others for is as a spread or an addition to another soup etc.
 
Re the Japanese response to Allied heavy armor from day one of the Pacific War:

They will absolutely have to do something about it. Unlike OTL, not only is the threat present in 1942 already (while there were only Stuarts before), but the British have a greater ability to reinforce quickly than OTL and the reduced Japanese advance and shock factor means the Japanese won't have this period of relative safety in SEA in 1943. This will require increased heavy AT strength.

Some of the response will depend on how the 75mm of armor of Matilda II and Valiants is assessed compared to the 89mm basis (more like 100+ effective against KE) of Victor/Sherman, and when the latter get involved in numbers in SEA (if they do at all).

The 47mm is just starting to be deployed on Chi-Ha Kai and in towed form, both of which saw extensive service overseas so outside of maybe a ramp up of production, no change here.
Chi-He is weird as while it was defined in 1941, it had low priority due to the OTL sufficient performance of Japanese armor in 1942. Here the Japanese won't do so well, BUT it only improves armor and mobility over Chi-Ha, will still have a long lead time to production even with accelerated development (late 42 maybe instead of late 43), and both 35mm (1941 spec) and 50mm (production spec) armor and the 47mm are somewhat dead ends against Allied heavy armor.

To defeat 75mm of armor, the 57mm AT gun should be decent, especially at the short ranges of SEA combat. However it is not in prodyction, while the viability of the existing 75mm field gun (that gave the Type 3 tank gun) would have been proven very quickly.
So there could be a choice to salvage Chi-He in a simili-Chi-Nu form in production rather than producing an obsolescent design, given the long lead time.
Only difference is that the turret won't be taken from the early Chi-Ri (it doesn't exist yet), but more likely the Type 2 Ho-I, which could accept the 57mm, or an extrapolated and new design suited for the 75mm.

Chi-To will exist regardless, the definition phase could be accelerated a bit (don't wait until April 1942 to start development of the new tank and August 1942 to finish the specs for it). However I think the move to 75mm of armor and a 75mm HV gun will happen regardless because we will probably see Victors and M4s in theater long before the tank enters service anyway.

So my take is: keep pumping out Chi-Ha Kais and 47mm towed, accelerate field 75mm or 57mm, salvage Chi-He into simili Chi-Nu ASAP.
 
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