It comes out today
Yah I just hope that this tl changes things enough to prevent the Armenian genocide
maybe if when the ottomans lose controls of the Balkans careened into the collapse of the empire giving a chance for an independent armenina ,Easiest way to do that would be to butterfly the Young Turks and Turkish nationalism as we know it, although I have no idea how you could do that. Oddly enough, maybe the trick would be to have them stay in control over more of Ottoman Europe? Then imperial multiculturalism could beat out ethnic nationalism in the nation.
The military options—like Russia conquering their way into central Anatolia—don’t necessarily prevent some genocide because Armenians lived throughout the empire.
maybe if when the ottomans lose controls of the Balkans careened into the collapse of the empire giving a chance for an independent armenina ,
Seems like the only hope they have in that case is consolidating under Russian rule if they get that far.That didn’t happen IOTL, and with good cause: Ottoman censuses from the era show the Armenians as a minority in every province they inhabited. There were no large, coherent Armenian regions to readily break away.
That didn’t happen IOTL, and with good cause: Ottoman censuses from the era show the Armenians as a minority in every province they inhabited. There were no large, coherent Armenian regions to readily break away.
Granted, foreign interference—say, an invading Russian army causing an emigration of Turks like what happened in the Balkans—could change the picture on the ground.
Isn’t there good reason to believe that ottoman census info is blatantly lying when it comes to the ethnic comoposition of their territory? I can’t remember exactly but I have the impression that basically all censuses by Balkan nations and the ottomans in the relevant time period were total bullshit designed to justify their land claims?
Yes, definitely, and there’s also the issue of “crypto-Armenians”—we know this because apparently there are still a number of them in Turkey today.
Still, though, Armenians being a minority (probably more than the officially stated ~10 percent, granted) in eastern Anatolia seems plausible. During this era Kars and modern Armenia were under the Russians, which would make sense as where most of the Armenians were.
By 1912 there where roughly 1.9 million Armenians throughout Anatolia and Constantinople. They may not have been an absolute majority in the 6 vilayets but they certainly formed a very sizable minority, even the Ottoman census gives about 42% for Van and 32% for Bitlis being Armenian in 1893.
The Bosnian rebellion in this timeline is mostly modeled after the OTL Bosnian Uprising from 1831 to 1832. The length of the revolt was longer as they informally allied themselves with the Albanian Beys (who weren't all massacred ITTL at Monastir) resulting in a stronger and longer lasting Albanian rebellion as well. When the Ottomans finally regained control of both Bosnia and Albania, they initiated a more thorough purge of the Aghas, Ayans, and Beys of Albania and Bosnia, effectively depriving their people of a native leadership. This will have some effects later on.Netherlands for the win tbh
I wonder what the repercussions of the Bosnian rebellion are, seeing that Bosnia was plurality Serbian until, like, the 70's (20th century)
Well the Armenian Genocide is about 70 years away from now ITTL so a lot can and will happen between now and then. Things are already somewhat different in this timeline, Russia for instance gained Kars in addition to their OTL gains in the 1828-1829 Russo-Turkish War and the Ottoman Sultans have begun some of their reforms a little earlier which have both positive and negative effects on the Armenians and other religious minorities across the Empire.Yah I just hope that this tl changes things enough to prevent the Armenian genocide
I doubt it, given that there is no way that that could end well for Greece. Even if (through some miracle) they were able to win, they would have permanently damaged relations with a Great Power. It seems more likely that it leads to a diplomatic spat which, if Greece is lucky and the British are distracted by internal problems or other European affairs, results in a peaceful enosis.Tell me if I am wrong are you hinting at a war between Greece and Britain?!