That is certainly my intention provided it makes sense from a narrative sense. By nature of Russia doing better in this timeline's War, more Armenians will fall under Russian occupation than OTL, which may or may not be a good thing for them. The Circassians are probably headed to a similar fate ITTL, as a victorious Russia is probably not inclined to show them mercy, especially after the recent conflict between them and Russia. That said, the details and extent of their Genocide will be different ITTL, so it may not be as bad as OTL.Let's hope it turns out better long term for both them and the Circassians. Being caught between great power politics in desirable land is always going to suck, but it wouldn't be overly difficult to have a more positive outcome than OTL
Earl..will Florence nightingale make an appearance in the war? And if so will she stop at Piraeus and maybe influence a young Princess or a Queen and maybe we will see an earlier evangelismos school of nursing ..just saying
Florence Nightingale and Mary Seacole will definitely appear in some capacity and they may show up in Greece briefly having some influence on young Princess Katherine.Mary Seacole could also make an appearance as well, as she also served as a nurse in the Crimean War IOTL.
That's certainly ambitious, but incredibly unlikely at this point in time. Armenia will have more territory ITTL, but it definitely won't be that big as they don't have the population to control that territory without a whole lot of ethnic cleansing.
I completely agree.While that is a beautiful Armenia, I think it would have to take a major genocide of turks for such a state to exist. In fact I can't imagine there being enough Armenians in that state to defend those borders even if the turks were totally "dealt with". Greece would love to have such a giant Armenia though, I bet they could work out some deals regarding the Turkish rump state(really hoping it doesn't get so bad that there is no Turkish state), and Pontic greeks could have their rights guaranteed and stuff.
Realistically I can't see such an Armenia existing. The best they can hope for is continued Russian success in war, and them being made into a Russian proxy state, that basically acts as their enforcer in the near east. Later improving relations with the Greeks, and combined being able to take down the turks on two fronts. The limits of such a state would probably resemble the Classical Armenian kingdom. I don't see a way for lower Armenia to join that, especially as it would limit the turks to just the central Anatolian plateau and I'm not sure if that is a viable state when there is a hostile Greece on one side and a hostile Armenia on the other.
The neglect of Ani over the years has been an absolute tragedy. Currently, its in Russian hands, having been ceded after the war in 1829 alongside Kars. While I can't say where exactly the border for Armenia will be at the end of this timeline, Ani will definitely be part of Armenia.Honestly, I think I would be happy for them as long as they are able to have Ani.
I hadn't considered having two Armenia's ITTL, although it would certainly make for an interesting concept seeing how the two states diverge and evolve separate from one another. That being said, it would be quite a ways away if it happens at all.The previously mentioned map is certainly ASB, without a massive russian victory where St Petersburg decides that Cilicia offers the best warm port.
First of all, we might never have an independent Armenia as the fall of the Russian Empire is by no means certain. There may be a Russian Federation that includes Armenia as a federal republic.
What I find intriguing is having two Armenias: a russian-ruled one in the Armenian Highlands and a Cilician Armenia under the influence of western powers. If we consider the OTL Caucasus Front of the Crimean War and we add the facts that Kars is already russian and Erzerum is in danger, then it is quite possible that the Russians will get Wilsonian Armenia by the end of the Great Eurasian War. The OTL Ottoman Army of the Caucasus was really that incompetent and they had faced only a fraction of TTL russian forces. The Russians now hold all the advantages. For the Ottomans, Caucasus is a side show at best, since a potential collapse of the Balkan Front will put Constantinople in mortal danger.
Lastly, it is the pre-Suez Canal era, so Trabzon serves most of the persian trade. With Persia being a more relevant power than OTL, control of Trabzon must be relatively high in russian priorities.
While the Ottomans are in for a rough time ahead of them, I wasn't planning on destroying them in this war and I don't think that the other Powers of Europe would abide by a massive Russian expansion at Ottoman expense. Now if Russian diplomats worked wonders on behalf of the Tsar, then maybe they could convince some countries by offering them pieces of the Ottoman pie. Even then, I have my doubts that Russia would take all the lands attributed to Wilsonian Armenia, while it will definitely take some sanjaks in Eastern Anatolia, I don't think it would take all of that territory. Or maybe it would, I'm open suggestions on this matter.
This is really good, I may end up borrowing a few of these ideas.I always feel bad double posting but I was thinking about all of this and I wanted to discuss how insane this Middle East might appear from our time line with a greater Greece and a couple of the other things we’ve suggested and/or thought up. So for the sake of the exercise Greece controls the entire Anatolian Aegean coastline. Greece also has Cyprus. We have Turkey squished between it and the two Armenia’s, plus possibly a Pontic Greek Russian puppet because the Pontic Greeks deserve something nice. Possibly the Kurds are an independent state. Lebanon. Maybe some sort of Alawite and Christian state based around Aleppo and Antioch. Egyptian Palastine. And possibly Greek Cyrenaica for the lols. It’s glorious in its religious diversity and millennium long grudges. I dub it Balkan’s 2: Middle Eastern Boogaloo.
Jokes aside it’s an amazing Middle East to consider when you look at the current day with its lines drawn on a map with no real understanding of the situation on the ground is. I don’t know wether it would be a shining beacon of diversity or an absolute mess. Maybe both. Probably both. I don’t expect all, or even most of this to necessarily happen. But it’s honestly not that out of the question which is amazing in and of itself. Not after this war obviously but eventually. It’s a testament to how good this timeline is and how big the butterflies could be from the small tweaks that were made. I can’t wait for the next update.
I'd like to say tomorrow, but I've been really unproductive the last few days with regards to writing, but it should be ready soon.Hey Earl Marshal, could I ask when the next update will be released? I'm looking forward to seeing how events progress in the timeline.