I personally think that this will be more or less the basis for the post-war redrawing of the Soviet-Turkish Border. What do you think?
Hi guys, I'm new here and I just started reading TTL and I have a question: with "the Kurds" do you mean the State of Aleppo right? Or is it a stake encompassing mainly the Al-Hasakah Governorate?Paris, December 9th 1936
The Franco-Syrian treaty of independence was finally signed after nearly 9 months of negotiations that had nearly collapsed several times after the refusal of the Frence side to accept the incorporation into Syria of Lebanon, the Kurdish, Alawite and Druze states and the sanjak of Alexandretta as the Syrians were demanding. Finally the Syrians had to accept a separate Lebanon, while a compromise would be reached for the remaining areas with each state having a referendum on its future within three months of the signing of the treaty. The Druze would be the only ones to vote to join the new Syria. The Kurds understandably preferred their own state which they saw as the first seed to eventually create an independence Kurdistan, while the Alawis in the aftermath of the 1925 revolt feared that incorporation into Syria would also mean the return of the Sunni landowners that had left during the revolt. in Alexandretta the result against Syria had been ironically enough decided by the Turkish population voting along with the majority of Christians against incorporation into Syria if for diametrically opposite reasons, as the Christians wanted to remain in the French sphere of influence while the Turks were following Kemal's instructions, who wanted to keep Alexandretta out of Syria in order to join with Turkey later.
I know people desperately want to give Armenia a port but I honestly just don’t see that happening. This seems much more likely especially given Stalins homeland.
Not very bad really. They have advanced roughly 100 km from the frontier. In Erzurum they have a railroad available, ironically built by the Russian army in the previous war. On the coast they can run coastal convoys...The Germans find Smolensk to be a tougher nut to break than IOTL...
How bad is the logistical situation for the Soviets in the Caucasus/Anatolian front?
They are certainly building trucks, perhaps not in significant numbers but certainly notable ones. Is the tank effort worth it? Quite possibly not. Should they know of it ahead of time and put the effort on other items? This sounds suspiciously like doing everything right...Shouldn't Iran be replaced with Iraq in this phrase?
If the Greeks manage to build even limited numbers of tanks it would be significant, but I think it would have been easier and wiser to build trucks and armored cars instead.
The geography has some obvious choke-points but as seen by the German invasion or for that matter the modern Greek army armoured forces are more than useful. That said the wisdom of local question is... questionable.Yes, I think you're right. Some limited number of armored vehicles would be useful, but the Greeks aren't going to be fighting in good tank country. They've got mountains and hills. Better to focus on what can be built in larger numbers and still provide armored fire support in a pinch. Easier on their logistics as well, especially if a unit has to be shipped across the Aegean a light motorized force is a lot easier and a lot faster to redeploy than an armored one.
Teymourtash was certainly a very interesting and very capable person (as was his daughter) but what in particular do you have in mind?Considering Teymourtarsh had some interesting views and policies IOTL (and leads the NatPop Iran in the rework for KR Iran), I wonder how Iran would develop if he regains power after Reza Khan oofs himself here.
That depends on the amount of resources that end up reverted. At the moment the Germans have in the Near East as many divisions as they had in OTL, the burden on the Greek front is mostly falling on Bulgaria and Italian forces at the moment.So basically the Turks and Germans are fighting against the Soviets in Anatolia which is very different than otl for obvious reasons. How will this affect Germany in diverting supplies to Anatolia?
Greece in OTL for a time was one of the two fastest growing economies in the world. The other was... Japan. On average between 1950 and 1973 it was growing by 7.7% a year annually... despite the war ending in 1949. What happen TTL... well we are still in 1941.Iran/Persia will have some differences methinks as Zahedi wants to coup Reza. Will there be an Iranian civil war or will Zahedi get arrested like otl? I got ittl Iran is able to be more powerful and be a regional power.
Finally in Greece things are in motion as the Greeks (Pangalos) continue to strengthen his forces, although the armour department is a bit lacking. Will we see a post war boom in Greece much like Japan/Italy ittl? Also Greece seems set to be a regional hegemon of the middle East after WWII and the cold war.
If Greece could supply small arms ammunition in OTL to the tune of ~50 million rounds, I don;t see why it cannot be done TTL.Seeing that greece,usa and the uk have the same standard calibre for rifles(7mm) could realistically the greek war industry provide enough ammunition for the allied war effort in the middle east? After all any ship not used for carrying ammunition can be used to carry something else.
The whole army. Five divisions in the Smyrna front, 9 divisions, plus the two mountain brigades, plus a few other odds and ends which for now shall remain unnamed in the mainland. 53 regiments overall, down from 96 in February.Also has the whole army slashed to 14 divisions or only the units in the Thermopylae front
The Sentinel tank may not be such a bad comparison.Oh this is interesting... Very very interesting. I wonder what changes Isigonis has made on Carden's design.
Just as a note Triandafilov is in command of only one of the armies not the front.If the frontline is on eastern outskirts of Erzurum, then the terrain while still suitable for defence it is not the vast mountains of the border with Sarikamis. From a quick view it is great artillery country with a lot of reverse slopes. If the Axis try to dislodge Triandafilov, soviet superiority in artillery would make that endeavor very bloody.
You'd think you are disparaging German ability at diplomacy and covert operations...Nothing like a pro-Axis coup to turn the country towards the Allies. Strong spanish vibes in Teheran.
Maybe... then just as likely he will be asking for the 1915 Constantinople agreement to be applied in full...I don't think it will be very bad. They have the narrow gauge railroad the Imperial Russian Army built in 1916 that connects Erzurum with Kars. As soon as they fix it, they will have a railhead just behind the frontlines.
In general, I think Stalin is going to ask again and again the British to knock Turkey out of the war. He has found an actual Second Front. With the Straights open and in firm Allied control, Lend-Lease shipments can reach the Black Sea ports while the Soviet Armies of the Caucasus can head north.
That was... the prime recruiting slogan of the Cyprus regiment in OTL. Though TTL if things go well for Greece it may not be that easy for Britain to forget.Yes that's what he meant and the Brits weren't shy using nationalism to get the greek Cypriots in the regiment iotl... I remember seeing some posters that said fight for liberty and greece
It's the sixth statelet of TTL Syria created in 1922 a bit more detail can be found in part 17. TTL the French could hold somewhat to the north of the OTL border. But this added tens of thousands more Kurds into Syria in geographically distinct territory. If the French had no issue creating a Druze and a Alewite state OTL while there were some proposals of a Kurdish state in the first place...Hi guys, I'm new here and I just started reading TTL and I have a question: with "the Kurds" do you mean the State of Aleppo right? Or is it a stake encompassing mainly the Al-Hasakah Governorate?
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I'm not inclined to comment one way or the other at the moment, beyond noting this a problem shared with others like the Kurds and the Assyrians. TTL at least Armenia has a much longer border with Iran for what it may or may not be worth...I know people desperately want to give Armenia a port but I honestly just don’t see that happening. This seems much more likely especially given Stalins homeland.
Does this help any?Having just gone to mparoutadiko for a walk a thought has hit me... Where exactly in athens are the war industries located? For certain there are not located in aigaleo..because aigaleo doesn't exist ittl(i mean the municipality not the mountain of course)
|Municipalities of Athens TTL||1920||1940|
|Αθήνα - Athens|
|Πειραιάς - Piraeus|
|Αγία Παρασκευή - Agia Parasleui|
|Αιγάλεω - Aigaleo|
|Άλιμος - Alimos|
|Αμφιάλη - Amphiali|
|Βάρη - Vari|
|Βούλα - Voula|
|Βουλιαγμένη - Vouliagmeni|
|Βριλήσσια - Vrilissia|
|Γαλάτσι - Galatsi|
|Γέρακας - Gerakas|
|Γλαυκεία - Glaukeia|
|Γλυφάδα - Glyfada|
|Εκάλη - Ekali|
|Ελληνικό - Hellenikon|
|Ζωγράφου - Zografou|
|Ηλιούπολη - Helioupolis|
|Ηράκλειο - Heraklion|
|Καλλιθέα - Kallithea|
|Καματερό - Kamatero|
|Κηφισιά - Kifisia|
|Λευκονόη - Leukonoe|
|Κορυδαλλός - Korydallos|
|Μαρούσι - Marousi|
|Πεντέλη - Penteli|
|Ρέντης - Renti|
|Φάληρο - Phaleron|
|Φιλοθέη - Pilothei|
|Χαλάνδρι - Chalandri|
|Χαϊδάρι - Chaidari|
|Χολαργός - Cholargos|
|Ψυχικό - Psychikon|
|TTL Municipality||Corresponding OTL municipalities|
|Αγία Παρασκευή||Ag Paraskeui|
Of course it has damaged them. How much is something of a different question.Hasn't the Axis airpower damaged the Greek industries at all? I mean with bases in Thessaly they can wreak havoc on Athens and the Peloponnese. At least when the Germans were seriously trying to break through. So new tools would be needed to replace the old.
Technically yes the French had signed a treaty making Syria independent. In effect it remains a French
Did it? I did mention parts of the Sirnak province in part 17 but not Sirnak itself IMS. The Tigris is the logical border as long as the railroad remains on the French side of it.@Lascaris I would like to ask you a question: why did the French annex Sirnak when in OTL they had no intention to? In TTL France would have kept the OTL Treaty of Sevres in which, as shown here http://www.hri.org/docs/sevres/map1.html, wanted to stay behind the Tigris river and annex only until Cizre. Can you please explain why they changed their mind in TTL?