Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun
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So, I just realized something, but this one is for outside of Japan. Given certain butterfly effects ITTL, such as the House of Vasa surviving, the Stuarts remaining in power, and with Poland and the Ottomans, I'm wondering if there will be changes in Iran's history?
Because around this time, this is when the Safavids decline rapidly, and then the Afghans revolted and form the Hotak Dynasty. This was because of the governorship of
Gurgin Khan (Who was actually a Georgian King), which saw Mirwais Hotak revolt and later his successors conquered most of Iran. However, the Safavids were restored, until they were overthrown by the same general who restored them, becoming known as Nader Shah and founding the short-lived Afsharid Dynasty.
Now, given that the Ottomans took possession of the Caucasus Regions in the late 17th Century, with the kings of Kartli and Kakheti becoming Ottoman vassals, this means that Gurgin Khan/George XI never becomes governor of Kandahar, which could potentially butterfly away the Hotak Dynasty as Mirwais Hotak doesn't revolt and maybe even a Safavid surviving into the late 18th Century and even 19th Century.
Although, as previously mentioned, losing to the Ottomans in the late 17th century might worsen the decline of the Safavids.
Edit: Also if the Safavids do survive, and therefore Nader Shah never rises to power, that also has ramifications for the Mughal Empire since it was Nader Shah who sacked Delhi in in 1738, which worsen the decline of the Mughals, gave the opportunity or the Sikhs in the Punjab to rise, the Marathas to expand, and embolden the EIC (Who if I recall, don't even have a good grip of the Subcontinent ITTL already) to the weakness of the Mughals. Therefore, the Mughals might survive in Northern India, unless the Marathas have anything to say
Because around this time, this is when the Safavids decline rapidly, and then the Afghans revolted and form the Hotak Dynasty. This was because of the governorship of
Gurgin Khan (Who was actually a Georgian King), which saw Mirwais Hotak revolt and later his successors conquered most of Iran. However, the Safavids were restored, until they were overthrown by the same general who restored them, becoming known as Nader Shah and founding the short-lived Afsharid Dynasty.
Now, given that the Ottomans took possession of the Caucasus Regions in the late 17th Century, with the kings of Kartli and Kakheti becoming Ottoman vassals, this means that Gurgin Khan/George XI never becomes governor of Kandahar, which could potentially butterfly away the Hotak Dynasty as Mirwais Hotak doesn't revolt and maybe even a Safavid surviving into the late 18th Century and even 19th Century.
Although, as previously mentioned, losing to the Ottomans in the late 17th century might worsen the decline of the Safavids.
Edit: Also if the Safavids do survive, and therefore Nader Shah never rises to power, that also has ramifications for the Mughal Empire since it was Nader Shah who sacked Delhi in in 1738, which worsen the decline of the Mughals, gave the opportunity or the Sikhs in the Punjab to rise, the Marathas to expand, and embolden the EIC (Who if I recall, don't even have a good grip of the Subcontinent ITTL already) to the weakness of the Mughals. Therefore, the Mughals might survive in Northern India, unless the Marathas have anything to say
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Also, follow up to this, since Option B was the more popular one, I've remade it to be a bit more centered and even, with a thicker circle:
Edit: Furthermore, I also try to make a battle standard for the Aguro Clan:
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Thanks for putting this up, I feel like you kinda hit the nail on the spot or something. I’ll play around with this and see what I end up writing.
idk I feel like it might be too small within the banner, or maybe the banner is too tall dimensions-wise.
It would also resemble the Buddhist eightfold path wheel; I don't know whether or not they would want that.
So, a thought occurred to me: What are festivals and holidays that formed ITTL? Besides the usually Shinto and Buddhist holidays in real-life, are there any alternative holidays? I can see a few events that are celebrated as holidays:
- The victory at TTL Battle of Yamazaki (Sort of like how the Battle of Sekigahara is celebrated in Real-Life)
- The victory at Okehazama (Since that could be argued as the battle that kickstarted Nobunaga's unification)
- The ends of the Furuwatarai War and Manji War
- The victories during the Iberian-Japanese War and Great Asiatic War
- Festivals for historical Figures such as Sakuma Moritora
Chapter 148: East Indies War Part IX - A Nexit from the Bourbon Wars
Chapter 148: East Indies War Part IX - A Nexit from the Bourbon Wars
By the end of 1706, the Dutch Republic was in a complicated situation within the context of the Bourbon Wars. In continental Europe, the anti-Bourbon coalition had gained the upper hand in the two principal land theaters of the war in the Low Countries and northern Italy. In the former, Anglo-Scottish aid had been delayed early on in the conflict by the death of James II in 1701, succeeded by James, the Prince of Wales as James III [1]. However, by 1702 John Churchill, the Earl of Marlborough, had landed with an army in the Republic to assist the Dutch, who had been clashing with the French. With Marlborough’s aid, the anti-Bourbon coalition forces went on the offensive, breaking through French defenses on the border and defeating several field armies. The Anglo-Dutch proceeded to sweep through the entirety of the Spanish Netherlands and were poised to invade French Flanders and Hainaut. This success contrasted strongly with the disastrous results of the East Indies War which saw the VOC’s revenue decrease drastically and the Spice Islands swiped from them by the Japanese and Tidorese. Meanwhile, Dutch allies like Dai Viet struggled and Malacca came under siege. Even the intervention of the Portuguese failed to overcome the coalition that the French crafted together. As a result, the Dutch Republic found itself in a financially precarious situation, its coffers rapidly emptying from war expenditures and the VOC close to bankruptcy.
By this time, William III of Orange had passed away, leaving the Netherlands without a preeminent stadtholder to lead them militarily and politically. North Brabantine stadtholder Philip Charles [2] and Holland’s Grand Pensionary Anthonie Heinsius had taken over in those respective spheres, with the teenage Prince of Orange and Frisian stadtholder Henry Casimir [3] lying in wait as the expected stadtholder of the other provinces down the line. Philip Charles, who represented and led the Orangist faction in the Republic, urged the continuation of the war in the hopes that the seemingly eventual conquest of French Flanders and Hainaut as well as the success of the peninsular front for the Grand Coalition would balance out the loss of the Spice Islands and give the Republic the upper hand at the negotiating table. This contrasted with the sentiments of the Dutch merchant class and the resurgent States’ Party who were in a state of panic at Dutch failures in the East Indies War. Heinsius, a part of the latter faction who nevertheless had been a close partner of the late William III, used his prestige and power as a statesman to begin secret negotiations with the French in the North Brabantine town of Geertruidenberg [4] and send diplomats to Malacca in the autumn of 1706, able to mollify even the hawkish stadtholder of North Brabant. These diplomatic efforts notably did not involve Great Britain [5] or Austria, something that went against agreements between the members of the Grand Coalition.
By this time, William III of Orange had passed away, leaving the Netherlands without a preeminent stadtholder to lead them militarily and politically. North Brabantine stadtholder Philip Charles [2] and Holland’s Grand Pensionary Anthonie Heinsius had taken over in those respective spheres, with the teenage Prince of Orange and Frisian stadtholder Henry Casimir [3] lying in wait as the expected stadtholder of the other provinces down the line. Philip Charles, who represented and led the Orangist faction in the Republic, urged the continuation of the war in the hopes that the seemingly eventual conquest of French Flanders and Hainaut as well as the success of the peninsular front for the Grand Coalition would balance out the loss of the Spice Islands and give the Republic the upper hand at the negotiating table. This contrasted with the sentiments of the Dutch merchant class and the resurgent States’ Party who were in a state of panic at Dutch failures in the East Indies War. Heinsius, a part of the latter faction who nevertheless had been a close partner of the late William III, used his prestige and power as a statesman to begin secret negotiations with the French in the North Brabantine town of Geertruidenberg [4] and send diplomats to Malacca in the autumn of 1706, able to mollify even the hawkish stadtholder of North Brabant. These diplomatic efforts notably did not involve Great Britain [5] or Austria, something that went against agreements between the members of the Grand Coalition.
Portrait of Anthonie Heinsius, Grand Pensionary of Holland
Even before Heinsius’ diplomats reached Malacca in 1707, the war had begun to slowly conclude. The two rival claimants of Lan Xang, stuck at an impasse on the bloodsoaked battlefields, would agree to split the kingdom into northern and southern halves, Kitsarat becoming the first king of Luang Prabang in the north and Ong Lo retaining authority in the southern kingdom that would be known as Vientiane [6]. This peaceful division was one less reason for Dai Viet and Siam to remain involved in the conflict, with the former wanting to focus efforts upon Nguyen Phuc Chu and the latter Chey Chettha IV of Cambodia. Outside of the European powers, Japan proved to be the primary aggressor in the war in 1707. That year, Yamamoto Rintatsu and Ikeda Masataka would jointly embark upon a naval expedition against Portuguese Timor which had been largely cut off from Goa for years now. However, the Tidorese were beginning to tire of the Japanese presence in the Moluccas and even Tsuda Nobushige, officially in charge of Japanese operations in the region, was lately seeing the naval commander as a careless upstart obsessed with naval glory. As a result, the expedition was undermanned and after a month of blockading the island, the Japanese would withdraw. During this time, Nobushige would send messengers to Manila and Azuchi, recommending peace with the enemy to Maeda Tomoie, Kanbe Yoshihiro, and the daijo-daijin Oda Nobuie himself.
Convinced by the slowdown in the progression of the conflict and pressure from multiple sides domestically to pursue peace from the urban councils of merchants and artisans in Azuchi and Sakai to Oshu daimyo who wanted more resources diverted to the northern frontier and fur trade, the daijo-daijin finally conceded and began making preparations to negotiate with the Dutch and their allies in the conflict. A delegation led by the duo of court noble Nakanoin Michimi (中院通躬), whose father and grandfather had been part of the European embassies, and foreign magistrate Niwa Nagamori would subsequently be sent by Azuchi to Malacca, the place the French had informed them would be the destination of Heinsius’ representatives. Along the way, they would be joined by Spanish representatives from Manila. By the time they arrived, the French and Dutch had just begun negotiations and would be joined within days by delegations from Ayutthaya, Tidore, Quc Nhon, and Hoi An. These negotiations, like the ones in Europe, would not involve the English or Portuguese, both of whom opposed peace at this juncture.
The talks that had taken place, however, would quickly anger the Japanese delegation. The Dutch offer called for recognition of Philip of Anjou as the rightful king of Spain and all of its territories in return for the return of its Japanese-Tidorese-occupied possessions in the Moluccas and Dutch trading privileges in Spanish markets. This offer would effectively erase Japan’s efforts in the war in return for concessions in Europe that had no impact on Azuchi whatsoever. The Japanese delegation was even more angered when it seemed like the French were actually considering accepting it without regard for the contributions of their Asian allies. This particularly angered Nakanoin Michimi who had to be restrained by his aides as in his rage he stood up and started shouting at the French, calling them cowards and traitors who smelled like rotten meat for their lack of bathing. The Japanese as well as the Tidorese made it quite obvious that they would never accept any deal ignoring their territorial conquests, affecting the entire calculus of the negotiations. While the Dutch could vigorously protect their possessions in Java, they had no realistic means of retaking their lost possessions in the Moluccas at this point. If anything, the Japanese had the means to send an entire armada to Malacca and seize the port from the VOC, potentially without the support of the French or Siamese.
Portrait of Nakanoin Michimi
Michimi and Nagamori knew this as well and with this mind pressured the Dutch for weeks. Finally, the latter conceded and agreed to recognize all Tidorese and Japanese conquests in the Moluccas, withdrawing from the entire region in the process. Although the VOC would retain trading privileges in the Spice Islands and Japan agreed to help rebuild the Dutch commercial presence in the home islands, the Dutch would never recover in these two regions. The Netherlands would also recognize Philip of Anjou as the rightful king of Spain and all of its possessions. In return, Philip of Anjou would renounce all future claims to the French throne and the French and Spanish would allow for the Dutch to man a collection of fortresses in the French and Spanish Low Countries once again. Louis XIV would also recognize Henry Casimir’s claim as the rightful Prince of Orange as well as the scattered lands of the House of Orange over that of the rival claim of prince-elector Charles of Brandenburg-Prussia. The division of Lan Xang into Luang Prabang and Vientiane would also be recognized by all the powers present in Malacca. Finally, the Trinh lords would cede all the lands previously ruled by the Nguyen lords before the Nguyen-Trinh War. These provisions would make up the Treaty of Malacca that was finally agreed upon and signed on August 17th, 1707.
The ratified Treaty of Malacca would then be sent back to Paris and the Hague for final approval. With the exception of the definitive Dutch concessions to the Tidorese and Japanese and an agreement on maintaining the status quo in North America, negotiations in Geertruidenberg had gone similarly as in Malacca. Upon news from Malacca, the Dutch delegation attempted to nullify the Treaty of Malacca before being stopped by VOC representatives who asked if they wanted samurai in Malacca or Batavia. With the inclusion of the Treaty of Malacca, the Treaty of Geertruidenberg would finally be signed on April 11th, 1708. Thus, the twin treaties of Geertruidenberg and Malacca would conclude the East Indies War as well as Dutch participation in the Bourbon Wars in favor of the Bourbon coalition.
The East Indies War would have a profound impact in Asia as it ended an era of economic and political dominance by the Dutch East India Company. It would instead usher in a state of multipolarity in the region, with the VOC becoming just one of many competing European and Asian powers that were more interconnected economically and politically than ever before. Although the French did not gain any physical possessions, it benefited from the outcome of the war in influence and commercial access. Siam, Dai Viet, and Tidore further solidified themselves as major players in the regions, although the former two came out of the war militarily exhausted.Siam in fact would continue to fight Cambodia until 1710 when that kingdom finally came back into Ayutthaya’s tributary fold. As for Japan, a power that had already successfully fought and defeated the Iberian powers over 70 years earlier, its contributions in the East Indies War elevated its standing as a major Asian power able to alter dynamics all the way in Europe. Additionally, its acquisition of the Spice Islands would enable it to begin dominating the spice trade, something that would come to impact and expand Japan’s overseas trade and commerce and even influence the home islands and domestic politics of the realm.
18th century map of the new Japanese Moluccas
The early Dutch exit from the Bourbon Wars, or Nexit as it became to be known as modern-day historians, would have the most significant effect in Europe. Although Great Britain and Portugal would remain in the war, Nexit meant that Marlborough would be forced to retreat into the Holy Roman Empire, completely shifting the Low Countries in favor of the French. Thus, the ultimate outcome of the Bourbon Wars would be in question once again as the conflict continued in Europe, the Americas, and even the Indian subcontinent to a small extent. As for the Dutch Republic, Nexit would make no one happy and bring about bitter divisions between the States’ Party and the Orangists. The country’s coffers were empty and the weakening of the VOC along with its revenues offered nothing but a seemingly bleak future for the Netherlands. Only time would tell whether the Dutch would be able to survive and recover.
[1]: Yup, the Stuart dynasty is gonna last longer ITTL.
[2]: Doesn’t get involved in the Great Turkish War ITTL, thus living beyond 1691.
[3]: TTL’s John William Friso.
[4]: This was where Louis XIV began negotiations with the Dutch in 1710 IOTL.
[5]: England and Scotland still become the Kingdom of Great Britain under the Acts of Union in 1707 for similar reasons to those IOTL.
[6]: Basically the same as OTL.
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I'm not sure if Sekigahara is really celebrated IOTL anyway, like I've personally been to the battlefield myself but it's famous for being the biggest samurai battle of all time and not for its political ramifications so much. Yamazaki and Okehazama or any of the inter-Oda conflicts are not really celebrated although thevcictory through the Iberian-Japanese War kinda is ITTL (Asiatic Northern War was more of a draw).
So something I might talk about more but while Sakuma Moritora is famous and mythologized for obvious reasons ITTL in Japanese culture in general, he's actually an even bigger deal in the Amur Khanate outside of the Oshu region because of the critical role he played. Also among the Ainu in a weird way because he subjugated southern Karafuto but also famously employed Ainu mercenaries as his personal bodyguard.
Also all Christian holidays are a bit more important. The rest I still need to figure out.
@Ambassador Huntsman ! AMAZING WORK!
YAY! Japan won valuable things! And his ascend continúes
Happy that the stuarts are still in Power! More Power to the King.
YAY! Japan won valuable things! And his ascend continúes
Happy that the stuarts are still in Power! More Power to the King.
Nexit sounds janky but otherwise great chapter! Look forward to seeing how Japan’s gains in this war make it thrive
Well, at least they call them Cheese-eating surrender monkeys /j (This is a joke. Don't take it seriously)
In all seriousness, it's a good chapter, and I do like the political developments of Europe and Asia. However, there is one criticism I have with it, and that is the term 'nexit' as it seems too modern of a term. I think of flowery and romantic titles for events during the Early Modern Period OTL such the "Carolean Death March" or the "Miracle of the House of Brandenburg" and Nexit just doesn't fit.
Perhaps maybe specify that 'Nexit' is a phrase created during the Modern Day for the Dutch dropping out of the Bourbon Wars, or maybe even just change the title that reflects something like 'humiliation' or 'betrayal'
Otherwise, good chapter.
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I apologize, I must've been mistaken. Looking it up, I think it was celebrated along with the Kanda Matsuri, which was started after Sekigahara.
I would love to read that.
Thank you!!
I appreciate the input. I made "Nexit" a modern-day term.
Yay!!
Np! Can't wait to see Japan make the best out of their gains, gotta keep building their nation to one day be the top power of Asia.
Good chapter as always, the Japanese more than proved their might and won their hard earned territory, the Dutch have took a beating they might never recover from and the French got a lot of breathing room rn, something that hopefully means they'll get a better deal than OTL.