Actually this is quite likely, and would fit in especially well in the South, where I'm envisioning a lot of pseudo-Grecian motifs, what with plantation architecture and the notion of a cultured, philosophical land elite on the backs of hordes of slaves. NASCAR becomes NASCART, and Sharecroppers compete with their swords and sandals to win their freedom...Any plans on returning to this?
Would it be possible for Roman-style chariot racing to replace automotive racing?
Actually this is quite likely, and would fit in especially well in the South, where I'm envisioning a lot of pseudo-Grecian motifs, what with plantation architecture and the notion of a cultured, philosophical land elite on the backs of hordes of slaves. NASCAR becomes NASCART, and Sharecroppers compete with their swords and sandals to win their freedom...
Nope, not quite done with the Great Plains. The Rizzinis and the Okies need to be done at a minimum.Good idea. It'd be part of the "bread and circuses" routine that keeps the sharecroppers and other peasants in their place and unquestioning of Patrician power. The most "democratic" states in medieval America operate more like the Roman Republic or Venice with most of the votes in the hands of the elite class.
Where exactly are we in America? I remember finishing the Great Plains just before the hiatus.
Nope, not quite done with the Great Plains. The Rizzinis and the Okies need to be done at a minimum.
Fair enough. I just know I'm going to be more interested in fleshing out the more civilized parts in the east. Though it might be interesting seeing how states that have to deal with marauding cowboys would develop. Especially if it means fleshing out what little White has written about them.
I think that White really missed out on writing for the Feudal Heartland. At first glance it seems like a redux of Western europe but if you look at it closer it's totally different. In North America, you have vast wildernesses right next to the civilized states, the plains to the east and the forest to the north. Coupled with the fact that the northern tribesmen have a cultural familiarity with the canoe, means that you have a much larger trade with the tribesmen and herdsmen, unlike western europe. Also North American trade and contact with tropical and subtropical regions is so much easier makes that interesting too.
You have Ohio which could be like France, heavily fractured but by far the most powerful state, except that Ohio must defend against plainsmen, has a border with it's permanent rival Michigan etc. You get the Great Lakes, at first glance like the Baltics, except the Baltics never had a hostile foreign power like Quebec. The South East is totally unique, no good analogues in Europe, best analogues would be India, caste system, anyone? The USA remnant was clearly meant to be the Byzantines but could the Byzantines sail to regions as far flung as Labrador to Venezuela? Is there an equivalent to a Voodoo State in Louisiana?
I think the really interesting stuff is in Latin America though which is a huge shame he didn't consider it at all. You have the old Native Empires but now, they have steel and wheat and cows and pigs and Catholicism and writing. Imagine what the Mexican-Aztec empire could look like. What about Neo-Mayans? A Carribean Empire? The Incans as the Persians of South America. To top it all off, this can be easily sailed, 12000 km from end to end, the same distance as Portugal to Indonesia.
I don't think we got enough of a look at the east coast to definitively make that statement. Just look at the United States- hardly a direct Byzantine or Venetian analogue.Whites analysis was detailed and what he did write was great. I just think that he might've been a bit conservative in considering the differences between North America and Europe and as a result failed to truly distinguish Feudal America from Feudal Europe. This is probably why he stopped writing. It must've felt like just rehashing history instead of creating something new.
I don't think we got enough of a look at the east coast to definitively make that statement. Just look at the United States- hardly a direct Byzantine or Venetian analogue.
He was certainly planning to do more. A LOT more. I don't think it was a matter of feeling like what remained was too similar to the Old World: I think it was simply a matter of him being a busy man- a published author, no less.I was more referring to the feudal heartland: wisconsin, Ohio, tennesee etc. These areas didn't get any mention at all whilst the east coast and south got some and the west got a lot more.The East Coast and South being different enough from western europe to be interesting to white and the west to be so different as to take up almost all his attention.
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Looking at the article list, it's all about new areas, things different from Europe. California, Utah, the South to some degree, the USA. Nothing at all about Ohio, Michigan etc.
He didn't even write about New Mexico, similar as it was to Egypt.
So I guess my point over the last couple posts is that White didn't have enough information or time to do a topic like this justice and where he did have the information, there was much that was too similar to the old world analogues he was using upon which he did not expand upon.