List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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No prizes for whoever guesses this analogue....

POD is Abraham Lincoln is instead shot and killed by an unknown assassin in 1864 while riding to his summer home outside Washington D.C. 9 months before his OTL death. Hannibal Hamilin takes the reins of the Reconstruction and deals with it more effectively than Andrew Johnson did...but his previous handling of the war and treatment of the defeated former Confederate states sparks opposition that leads to the Democrats retaking the Presidency far sooner.

List of Presidents of the United States (1875-1925)

1875-1877 Samuel J. Randall / Horatio Seymour (Democratic)
1877-1881 Benjamin Gratz Brown / James A. Garfield (Republican)
1876 def. Samuel J. Randall/George H. Pendleton (Democratic)
1881-1889 John Wilkes Booth / George B. McClellan (Democratic)
1880 def. Benjamin Gratz Brown/James A. Garfield (Republican)
1884 def. James A. Garfield/Roscoe Conkling (Republican)

1889-1893 George B. McClellan / Charles J. Faulkner (Democratic)
1888 def. George D. Robinson/John Sherman (Republican)
1893-1901 William McKinley / John F. Lacey (Republican)
1892 def. George B. McClellan//Charles J. Faulkner (Democratic), Wharton Barker/Stephen Luce (Independent)
1896 def. George H. Pendleton/John G. Carlisle (Democratic), Wharton Barker./Henry George (National)

1901-1909 George B. McClellan Jr. / Calvin S. Brice (Democratic)
1900 def. John F. Lacey/Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1904 def. Thomas Brackett Reed
/Joseph R. Burton (Republican)
1909-1917 Charles Curtis / Chauncey Depew (Republican)
1908 def. George Dewey/Charles N. Haskell (Democratic )
1912 def. Woodrow Wilson/Claude Kitchin (Democratic)

1917-1921 William Randolph Hearst / Thomas C. Rye (Democratic)
1916 def. Elihu Root/Francis E. McGovern (Republican)
1921-1925 Chauncey Depew / Charles S. Deneen (Republican)
1920 def. William Randolph Hearst/Thomas C. Rye (Democratic)
 
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No prizes for whoever guesses this analogue....

POD is Abraham Lincoln is instead shot and killed by an unknown assassin in 1864 while riding to his summer home outside Washington D.C. 9 months before his OTL death. Hannibal Hamilin takes the reins of the Reconstruction and deals with it more effectively than Andrew Johnson did... but his previous handling of the war and treatment of the defeated former Confederate states sparks opposition that leads to the Democrats retaking the Presidency far sooner.

List of Presidents of the United States (1875-1925)
U.S. 2020 = U.S. 1920 (?) or, briefly, Abraham Kennedy?
 

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Based On Jeff Greenfield's Then Everything Changed (the short story concerning a theoretical Hart 1980 victory, where Ford wins in 1976)
1981-1989: Sen. Gary Hart (D-Colorado)/Sen. Dale Bumpers (D-Arkansas)
1980: def. Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Fmr. Sen. Edward Brooke (R-MA)
1984: def. Fmr. VP Bob Dole (R-KS)/Sen. Paul Laxalt (R-NV)

1989-1993: Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker (R-TN)/Rep. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)

1988: def. VP Dale Bumpers (D-AR)/Rep. Pat Schroeder (D-CO)
1993-2001: Sen. Chuck Robb (D-VA)/Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

1992: def. incumbents, Pastor Pat Robertson (I-VA)/Activist Ezola Foster (I-NV)
1996: def. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-KS)/Gov. Tommy Thompson (R-WI), Pastor Pat Robertson (C-VA)/Fmr. Gov. Evan Mecham (C-AZ)
2001-2005: VP Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)/Gov. Mel Carnahan (D-MO)
2000: def. Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA)/Fmr. Gov. George Voinovich (R-OH), Fmr. Gov. Evan Mecham (C-AZ)/Fmr. Rep. Rick Santorum (C-PA)
2005-2013: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)/Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX)
2004: def. incumbents, Mayor Matt Gonzales (G-CA)/Rep. Ralph Nader (I-NY)
2008: def. Sen. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Gov. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
2013-2021: Sen. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)/Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)

2012: def. Commerce Secretary Mitt Romney (R-MI)/Sen. John Sununu (R-NH), Sen. Sam Brownback (I-KS)/Sen. Jim DeMint (I-SC)
2016: def. Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)/Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)
2021-present: VP Harold Ford Jr. (D-TN)/Gov. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
2020: def. Gov. Josh Romney (R-UT)/Sen. Martha Roby (R-AL)

So the general idea is that Ford doesn't make the 'Eastern Europe' gaffe in the debates, and squeezes out an EC win while losing the PV by a million votes. The economy continues to flail, the GOP begins to tear itself apart, and a contentious GOP primary hands Gary Hart a convincing win. He ends up as the kinda-sorta-Democratic Reagan analogue, except he damn near gets impeached for the same reasons as Bill Clinton and costs Dems a Senate majority in 1988. Also, he manages to achieve a period of detente with the reformed USSR, which is quite nice. Meanwhile, the GOP barely gets its act together to pull off a miracle win in 1988 with Howard Baker at the helm, but Pat Robertson splits off and screws it up for the GOP. We end up with another 12 years of Democratic rule, though this time much less successful. In 2004, the GOP finally gets its wish for lasting governance with John McCain, and 2012 sees the first all-female presidential ticket actually win the White House.
Also, as a fun fact, Nancy Kassebaum actually married Howard Baker in the 90s, so her 1996 nomination was the first time the spouse of a former President who never officially became First Lady/Gentleman was nominated for President on a major-party ticket. Also to note is that every winning ticket since 1988 has had at least one woman on it.
 
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A Hellworld List, Starring Tucker Carlson and Coup D'Etats (based on Upon A Cross of Globalism):
2017-2019: Crappy, Uncharismatic Democratic Politico Who Resigns Due To Scandal/Boring White-Toast Senator from God Knows Where
2016: def. SCREAMING BALL OF HATRED/Boring neighbour who's also super unlikable
2019-2021: Boring White-Toast VP from God Knows Where/VACANT
2021-2025: Boring White-Toast President from God Knows Where/Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ)

2020: def. Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI)/Fmr. Gov. Brian Sandoval (R-NV)
2025-2033: Political Commentator Tucker Carlson (R-VA)/Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO)
2024: def. VP Cory Booker (D-NJ)/Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) (won popular vote)
2028: def. Sen. Jeff Jackson (D-NC)/Gov. Joe Neguse (D-CO)
(won popular vote)
2033-2041: VP Josh Hawley (R-MO)/Fmr. Gov. Matt Gaetz (R-FL)
2032: def. Gov. Mike Levin (D-CA)/Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-IL) (won popular vote)
2036: def. Gov. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA)/Sen. Pete Buttigieg (D-IN) (won popular vote)

2041-2043: Sen. Carlos Ramirez-Rosa (D-IL)/Gov. London Breed (D-CA) (assassinated by Eddie Gallagher in Coup of 2043)
2040: def. VP Matt Gaetz (R-FL)/Fmr. Gov. Dan Patrick (R-TX)
2043-2044 (D.C. Govt--Disputed): House Speaker Matt Shea (R-WA)/vacant

2044-2051 (D.C. Govt/Camp David Govt--Disputed): Vice Adm. Eddie Gallagher (R-D.C.)/Fmr. DHS Sec. Kris Kobach (R-KS) (overthrown in second American General Conflict, arrested for treason, sedition, etc)
2044: def.
scattered Dem. tickets (caused by defection/arrests of Dem. officials, politicians)
2048: ELECTION CANCELLED

2043-2051 (California Govt--Disputed): Fmr. Sen. Jason Kander (NNU-MO)/Fmr. Gov. Mike Levin (NNU-CA) (as Gen. Coordinator of 'Legitimatist' American Govt and Chancellor of American Council of Governance respectively)
2044: def. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NNU-NY)/Fmr. Sen. Krystal Ball (NNU-VA)
2048: unopposed

2043-2051 (London Govt--Disputed): Fmr. VP Cory Booker (I-NJ) (as Acting President)
2042: def. Fmr. Sen. Joe Kennedy III (I-MA)
2044: def. Fmr. Gov. Gavin Newsom (I-CA)
2050: unopposed

2051-now: Fmr. VP Cory Booker (I-NJ)/Gen. Coordinator of Cali. Govt Jason Kander (NNU-MO)
2051 Special Election: def. Fmr. House Speaker Paul Ryan (C-WI)/Fmr. Sen. Tim Scott (C-SC), Fmr. Sen. Tulsi Gabbard (I-HI)/Fmr. Gov. Nicole Galloway (I-MO), scattered Republican tickets
2054: def. Gov. Andrew Yang (I-NY)/Sen. Mike Gallagher (C-WI)
Well, they say you can lead a horse to water...

I count at least NINE current politicians, including two candidates for this cycle's Democratic Nomination, from both sides of the aisle here, plus a Fox poster child.

Warning had zero impact. 'Kay.

Kicked for a week. It would be an exceptionally good idea to reconsider this strategy.
 
No prizes for whoever guesses this analogue....

POD is Abraham Lincoln is instead shot and killed by an unknown assassin in 1964 while riding to his summer home outside Washington D.C. 9 months before his OTL death. Hannibal Hamilin takes the reins of the Reconstruction and deals with it more effectively than Andrew Johnson did...but his previous handling of the war and treatment of the defeated former Confederate states sparks opposition that leads to the Democrats retaking the Presidency far sooner.

List of Presidents of the United States (1875-1925)

1875-1877 Samuel J. Randall / Horatio Seymour (Democratic)
1877-1881 Benjamin Gratz Brown / James A. Garfield (Republican)
1876 def. Samuel J. Randall/George H. Pendleton (Democratic)
1881-1889 John Wilkes Booth / George B. McClellan (Democratic)
1880 def. Benjamin Gratz Brown/James A. Garfield (Republican)
1884 def. James A. Garfield/Roscoe Conkling (Republican)

1889-1893 George B. McClellan / Charles J. Faulkner (Democratic)
1888 def. George D. Robinson/John Sherman (Republican)
1893-1901 William McKinley / John F. Lacey (Republican)
1892 def. George B. McClellan//Charles J. Faulkner (Democratic), Wharton Barker/Stephen Luce (Independent)
1896 def. George H. Pendleton/John G. Carlisle (Democratic), Wharton Barker./Henry George (National)

1901-1909 George B. McClellan Jr. / Calvin S. Brice (Democratic)
1900 def. John F. Lacey/Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1904 def. Thomas Brackett Reed
/Joseph R. Burton (Republican)
1909-1917 Charles Curtis / Chauncey Depew (Republican)
1908 def. George Dewey/Charles N. Haskell (Democratic )
1912 def. Woodrow Wilson/Claude Kitchin (Democratic)

1917-1921 William Randolph Hearst / Thomas C. Rye (Democratic)
1916 def. Elihu Root/Francis E. McGovern (Republican)
1921-1925 Chauncey Depew / Charles S. Deneen (Republican)
1920 def. William Randolph Hearst/Thomas C. Rye (Democratic)
So apparently, Lincoln dies 99 years after his real life deathXD (you mention he dies in 1964).Nice to see Lincoln living to be 155 years old.
 
Mao goes to Washington:

32 New York Governor Franklin Delano Roosevelt/ House Speaker John Nance Garner from Texas 1933-1934
(Deposed and killed in the Business Coup)
Autoproclamed Supreme Chief of the National Salvation Junta General George Van Horn Moseley from District of Columbia 1934-1936
(Invited a Nazi takeover to help him in the civil war, deposed by his militar colleagues during the so-called Philadelphia Incident who rebelled against German occupation. Escaped and formed a collaborationist rump government)
Supreme Leader of National Aryan American State George Van Horn Moseley from Georgia 1938-1945
Chairman of American National Government General Douglas MacArthur from Pennsylvania 1938-1949
(Deposed Moseley in 1938, defeated and exiled in Hawaii at the end of the civil war)
Chairman of the People's Committee for the Republic's Defense General Smedley Darlington Butler 1934-1940
(Died in Office)
Chairman of the People's Committee for the Republic's Defense General Mao Tse-tung 1940-1951
33 Fieldmarshal Mao Tse-tung from District of Columbia/ California Governor Upton Beall Sinclair 1951-1967/ Nebraska Senator Earl Browder 1967-1971/ Minnesota Senator Humbert Horatio Hupmhrey 1971-1972/ Vacant 1972-1975/ California Governor Ellis Elwood Patterson 1975-1976
34 Vicepresident Ellis Eleood Patterson from California/ Vacant 1976

(Killed by the First Lady Lynette Fromme Mao during the failed Red Guards Coup)
Acting President First Lady Lynette Fromme Mao from California 1976
Acting President Speaker of the House Ronald Wilson Reagan 1976-1979
35 New York Governor Norman Kingsley Mailer/ Missouri Senator Edward Michael Harrigton Jr 1979-1989/ Vacant 1989-1991
36 California Senator Edmund Gerald Brown/ Texas Governor Henry Ross Perot Sr 1991-1999
37 Vicepresident Henry Ross Perot Sr from Texas/ New York Senator Rudolph Giuliani 1999-2007
38 Vicepresident Rudolph Giuliani from New York/ Texas Governor John Ellis Bush 2007-2015
39 Vicepresident John Ellis Bush from Texas/ Illinois Governor Richard Daley Jr 2015-...
 
Based on the above list with some modifications, or Dear God Why Is Every Current US Politician So Damn Old:
43: Gov. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Rep. John Kasich (R-OH) (2001-2005)
def 2000. Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)/Gov. Ann Richards (D-TX)
44: Sen. John Edwards (D-NC)/Rep. Barack Obama (D-IL) (2005-2013)
def 2004. Pres. George W. Bush (R-TX)/VP John Kasich (R-OH) and Fmr. Gov. Jesse Ventura (I-MN)/Adm. Michael Mullen (I-TX)
def 2008. Senate Majority Leader John McCain (R-AZ)/Fmr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) and Fmr. Gov. Jesse Ventura/Businessman Donald Trump (I-NJ)

45: Sen. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) (2013-2021)
def 2012. VP Barack Obama (D-IL)/Sen. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) (won popular vote)
def 2016. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)/Sen. Roy Cooper (D-NC)

46: Sen. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)/Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) (2021-2029)
def 2020. Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH)/Fmr. Gov. Nikki Haley (R-SC)
def 2024. Fmr. Gov. Scott Brown (R-MA)/Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL)

47: Fmr. NFL Quarterback Tom Brady (R-FL)/Sen. Mike Gallagher (R-WI) (2029-now)
def. 2028. Fmr. Secretary of State Cate Edwards (D-NC)/Sen. Tom Perriello (D-VA) (won popular vote)
2032 Election: Pres. Tom Brady (R-FL)/VP Mike Gallagher (R-WI) (35.6%) vs Fmr. VP Sherrod Brown (D-OH)/Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV) (51.2%)
Nice list. I wonder how well Tom Brady will do up in the New England states in the 2028 election.
 
41. 1989 - 1997: Lee Iacocca (Independent)
1988 (with Daniel Patrick Moynihan) def. George Bush (Republican) and Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1992 (with Ross Perot) def. Paul Tsongas (Democratic) and Carroll Campbell (Republican)

42. 1997 - 2001: Ross Perot (Independent)
1996 (with Dick Lamm) def. Bob Dole (Republican) and Bob Casey (Democratic)
43. 2001-2005: Dick Cheney (Republican)
2000 (with Fred Thompson) def. Ross Perot (Independent), John McCain (Independent Republican), Mike Gravel (Democratic), Joe Lieberman (Independent Democratic), and Donald Trump (Independent)
44. 2005 - 2013: John McCain (National Union - Democratic and Republican fusion ticket)
2004 (with Joe Biden) def. Dennis Kucinich (Independent Democratic) and Dick Cheney (Independent Republican)
2008 (with Joe Biden) def. John E. Sweeney (Conservative) and Russ Feingold (Progressive)

45. 2013 - 2017: Mike Bloomberg (Independent)
2012 (with Donald Trump) def. Joe Biden (National Union), Bernie Sanders (Progressive), and Rick Santorum (Conservative)
46. 2017 - Incumbent: Al Franken (Progressive)
2016 (with Sherrod Brown) def. Mike Bloomberg (Independent), William Weld (National Union), Ted Cruz (Conservative), Collin Peterson (Independent National Unionist), and John McAfee (Independent)
2020 (with Sherrod Brown) def. Blanche Lincoln (National Union), Donald Trump (Independent), Mike Huckabee (Conservative), and John McAfee (Independent)
 
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2010-2018 David Cameron (Conservative)
2010 (Conservative/Liberal Democrats Coalition) def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015 (Majority) def. Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015 Scottish Independence referrendum: No 55%, Yes 45%

2018-2022 George Osborne (Conservative)*
2020 election deferred due to the Covid-19 pandemic
2021 (Minority) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats)

2022-2032 Jonathan Ashworth (Labour)
2022 (Labour/Scottish National Coalition
) def. George Osborne (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats)
2023 Scottish Independence referrendum: No 58%, 42%
2023 (Majority) def. Michael Gove (Conservative), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Humza Yousaf (Scottish National)
2028 (Majority) def. Rory Stewart (Conservative), Layla Moran (Liberal Democrats), Humza Yousaf (Scottish National)
2032-2037 Bridget Phillipson (Labour)*
2033 (Minority w/ Liberal Democrat Confidence and Supply) def. Justine Greening (Conservative), Wendy Chamberlain (Liberal Democrats), Humza Yousaf (Scottish National)
2037-20xx Bim Afolami (Conservative)

2037 (Majority) def. Bridget Phillipson (Labour), Wendy Chamberlain (Liberal Democrats), Kate Forbes (Scottish National)
 
Warning
45. Donald Trump (Republican-New York) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) 2017-2021
2016: defeated Hillary R. Clinton (Democrat-New York) / Tim Kaine (Democrat-Virginia), but LOST popular vote.
46. Joe Biden (Democrat-Delaware) / Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) 2021-2025 [1]
2020: defeated incumbents Donald Trump (Republican-Florida[2]) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana), and won popular vote.
47. Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana) 2025-2029 [4]
2024: defeated Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) / Nikki Haley (Republican-South Carolina), and won popular vote. [3]
48. Michelle Ashbury (Republican-Connecticut) / Amanda Klien (Republican-Georgia) 2029-2037 [5]
2028: defeated incumbents Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana), but LOST popular vote [6]
2032: defeated John Kennedy Jr (Democrat-Massachusetts) / Catherine Cortez Masto (Democrat-Nevada), and won popular vote.[7]

49. Zelda F. Lawton (Democrat-Vermont) / Martha Killroy (Democrat-Arkansas) 2037- [8]
2036: defeated Edgar Sanchez (Republican-Texas) / Craig Romney (Republican-Utah), and won popular vote

[1] Chose not to seek reelection. First president to do this, serving a single term and nothing more, since Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81).
[2] Changed home state.
[3] The Democratic primary was a 3 way contest between Jamaal Bowman from New York leading the Progressive faction, Kyrsten Sinema from Arizona leading the emerging ultramoderate faction, and the Vice President supported as President Biden's chosen successor running in between them. Kamala Harris from California also ran, but was largely a non-factor by the time the voting actually started. The Republican primary was more confused, with Donald Trump Jr. running for worst primary campaign against JEB! 2016. The party settled on Vice President Pence, but the general election was less competitive than 2020.
[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.
[5] A wealthy woman from Fairfield County, Michelle Ashbury became the governor of a blue state through strong political skills and the unpopularity of Gov. Lamont, and used her success to launch her presidential run. She became the third Republican president elected in a row to lose the popular vote and win the electoral college. While Democrats had accomplished much during the previous two terms, they got to kick themselves for never successfully abolishing the electoral college. While her campaign largely focused on domestic policy, streamlining of government services, criticism of the current administration, and plenty of populism thrown in for good measure, her presidency has been dominated by foreign policy after the Fist of God disaster of 2029 and intervention in Africa in 2031. They say the 30s began with the Fist of God disaster, and the world is still in its shadow. She is still currently President.
[6] The Republican party since and including 2000 has won thrice without the popular vote and only twice with the popular vote. From 2000-2036, Republicans have won 5 of 10 elections but only 2 of 10 of the popular vote matchups.
[7] While the President was not without controversy and opposition, as she was a woman of a privileged upbringing, most approved of her decisions regarding the ongoing global crises. Combined with a weak Democratic candidate seen as an empty suit by most and you have a recipe for the first Republican popular vote win in 28 years. Wasn't close to a landslide though.
[8] Not yet assumed office. Three terms of female presidents and now America has its first president-elect that is neither male or female. Lawton is also the first Democrat nominee from the progressive faction of the party, which began with Bernie Sanders in 2016. Their middle name is Frisk.

Midterms

2022: The Red Ripple. Republicans gained very little, but what they did gain was consequential. Most of President Biden's major accomplishments were in his first two years.
2026: First major Republican midterms since 2014. 6 year itch and a slow burning scandal at the top.
2030: Neutral. Nation completely concerned with foreign policy issues.
2034: Major Democratic wave year. Democrats win on domestic and environmental policies, not to mention the 6 year itch.
 
"Stevenson, Vaccine, Rabbit Seasoning-"
- Lyrics to the hit 1989 song, We Didn't Start The Fire

1953-1961: Adlai Stevenson/ Mike Monroney (Democrat)
1952: Earl Warren/ Robert A. Taft (Republican)
1956: Douglas MacArthur/ Richard Nixon (Republican)

1961-1962: Lyndon Johnson*/ Staurt Symington (Democrat)
1960: James A. Rhodes/ Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1962-1965: Staurt Symington/ vacant (Democrat)
1965-1973: Nelson Rockefeller/ George W. Romney (Republican)
1964: Staurt Symington/ Pat Brown (Democrat)

1968: Eugene McCarthy/ Stephen M. Young (Democrat) and George Wallace/ Ezra Taft Benson (American Independent)
1973-1981: George W. Romney/ John Connally (Republican)
1972: Shirley Chisholm/ Terry Sanford (Democrat)
1976: Fred Harris/ Frank Church (Democrat)
1981: John Connally*/ Edward Brooke (Republican)
1980: Edward J. King/ Oliver Ocasek (Democrat)

1981-1985: Edward Brooke/ vacant (Republican)
1985-1989: Edward Brooke/ Howard Baker (Republican)
1984: Garry Hart/ Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat)


1. Resigned from Office due to the Bobby Baker scandal
2. Assassinated in Washington D.C. after leaving the Washington Hilton Hotel by Robert Jay Matthews for having Edward Brooke as his Vice President. (Brooke had been on a overseas trip when the shooting took place)
 

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45. Donald Trump (Republican-New York) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) 2017-2021
2016: defeated Hillary R. Clinton (Democrat-New York) / Tim Kaine (Democrat-Virginia), but LOST popular vote.
46. Joe Biden (Democrat-Delaware) / Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) 2021-2025 [1]
2020: defeated incumbents Donald Trump (Republican-Florida[2]) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana), and won popular vote.
47. Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana) 2025-2029 [4]
2024: defeated Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) / Nikki Haley (Republican-South Carolina), and won popular vote. [3]
48. Michelle Ashbury (Republican-Connecticut) / Amanda Klien (Republican-Georgia) 2029-2037 [5]
2028: defeated incumbents Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana), but LOST popular vote [6]
2032: defeated John Kennedy Jr (Democrat-Massachusetts) / Catherine Cortez Masto (Democrat-Nevada), and won popular vote.[7]

49. Zelda F. Lawton (Democrat-Vermont) / Martha Killroy (Democrat-Arkansas) 2037- [8]
2036: defeated Edgar Sanchez (Republican-Texas) / Craig Romney (Republican-Utah), and won popular vote

[1] Chose not to seek reelection. First president to do this, serving a single term and nothing more, since Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81).
[2] Changed home state.
[3] The Democratic primary was a 3 way contest between Jamaal Bowman from New York leading the Progressive faction, Kyrsten Sinema from Arizona leading the emerging ultramoderate faction, and the Vice President supported as President Biden's chosen successor running in between them. Kamala Harris from California also ran, but was largely a non-factor by the time the voting actually started. The Republican primary was more confused, with Donald Trump Jr. running for worst primary campaign against JEB! 2016. The party settled on Vice President Pence, but the general election was less competitive than 2020.
[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.
[5] A wealthy woman from Fairfield County, Michelle Ashbury became the governor of a blue state through strong political skills and the unpopularity of Gov. Lamont, and used her success to launch her presidential run. She became the third Republican president elected in a row to lose the popular vote and win the electoral college. While Democrats had accomplished much during the previous two terms, they got to kick themselves for never successfully abolishing the electoral college. While her campaign largely focused on domestic policy, streamlining of government services, criticism of the current administration, and plenty of populism thrown in for good measure, her presidency has been dominated by foreign policy after the Fist of God disaster of 2029 and intervention in Africa in 2031. They say the 30s began with the Fist of God disaster, and the world is still in its shadow. She is still currently President.
[6] The Republican party since and including 2000 has won thrice without the popular vote and only twice with the popular vote. From 2000-2036, Republicans have won 5 of 10 elections but only 2 of 10 of the popular vote matchups.
[7] While the President was not without controversy and opposition, as she was a woman of a privileged upbringing, most approved of her decisions regarding the ongoing global crises. Combined with a weak Democratic candidate seen as an empty suit by most and you have a recipe for the first Republican popular vote win in 28 years. Wasn't close to a landslide though.
[8] Not yet assumed office. Three terms of female presidents and now America has its first president-elect that is neither male or female. Lawton is also the first Democrat nominee from the progressive faction of the party, which began with Bernie Sanders in 2016. Their middle name is Frisk.

Midterms

2022: The Red Ripple. Republicans gained very little, but what they did gain was consequential. Most of President Biden's major accomplishments were in his first two years.
2026: First major Republican midterms since 2014. 6 year itch and a slow burning scandal at the top.
2030: Neutral. Nation completely concerned with foreign policy issues.
2034: Major Democratic wave year. Democrats win on domestic and environmental policies, not to mention the 6 year itch.
Current politics are allowed in Chat, nowhere else.
 
President and Vice President of Western Union (CA, WA, OR, NV)

President and Vice President elected separately in a two round system.

President:
1984-1992: Sen. Alan Cranston (CA) (Progressive)
1992-2000: VP. Dianne Feinstein (CA) (Democratic)
2000-2004: Gov. John Kitzhaber (OR) (Progressive)
2004-2008: Sen. Tom McClintock (CA) (Conservative)
2008-2016: VP. Jerry Brown (CA) (Democratic)
2016-Present: VP. John Chiang (CA) (Democratic)

Vice President:
1984-1992:
Mayor. Dianne Feinstein (CA) (Democratic)
1992-2000: Sen. Harry Reid (NV) (Democratic)
2000-2008: Fmr Gov. Jerry Brown (CA) (Democratic)
2008-2012: Fmr Pres. John Kitzhaber (OR) (Progressive)
2012-2016: Sec. John Chiang (CA) (Democratic)
2016-Present: Sec. Kamala Harris (CA) (Democratic)
 
45. Donald Trump (Republican-New York) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) 2017-2021
2016: defeated Hillary R. Clinton (Democrat-New York) / Tim Kaine (Democrat-Virginia), but LOST popular vote.
46. Joe Biden (Democrat-Delaware) / Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) 2021-2025 [1]
2020: defeated incumbents Donald Trump (Republican-Florida[2]) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana), and won popular vote.
47. Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana) 2025-2029 [4]
2024: defeated Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) / Nikki Haley (Republican-South Carolina), and won popular vote. [3]
48. Michelle Ashbury (Republican-Connecticut) / Amanda Klien (Republican-Georgia) 2029-2037 [5]
2028: defeated incumbents Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana), but LOST popular vote [6]
2032: defeated John Kennedy Jr (Democrat-Massachusetts) / Catherine Cortez Masto (Democrat-Nevada), and won popular vote.[7]

49. Zelda F. Lawton (Democrat-Vermont) / Martha Killroy (Democrat-Arkansas) 2037- [8]
2036: defeated Edgar Sanchez (Republican-Texas) / Craig Romney (Republican-Utah), and won popular vote

[1] Chose not to seek reelection. First president to do this, serving a single term and nothing more, since Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81).
[2] Changed home state.
[3] The Democratic primary was a 3 way contest between Jamaal Bowman from New York leading the Progressive faction, Kyrsten Sinema from Arizona leading the emerging ultramoderate faction, and the Vice President supported as President Biden's chosen successor running in between them. Kamala Harris from California also ran, but was largely a non-factor by the time the voting actually started. The Republican primary was more confused, with Donald Trump Jr. running for worst primary campaign against JEB! 2016. The party settled on Vice President Pence, but the general election was less competitive than 2020.
[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.
[5] A wealthy woman from Fairfield County, Michelle Ashbury became the governor of a blue state through strong political skills and the unpopularity of Gov. Lamont, and used her success to launch her presidential run. She became the third Republican president elected in a row to lose the popular vote and win the electoral college. While Democrats had accomplished much during the previous two terms, they got to kick themselves for never successfully abolishing the electoral college. While her campaign largely focused on domestic policy, streamlining of government services, criticism of the current administration, and plenty of populism thrown in for good measure, her presidency has been dominated by foreign policy after the Fist of God disaster of 2029 and intervention in Africa in 2031. They say the 30s began with the Fist of God disaster, and the world is still in its shadow. She is still currently President.
[6] The Republican party since and including 2000 has won thrice without the popular vote and only twice with the popular vote. From 2000-2036, Republicans have won 5 of 10 elections but only 2 of 10 of the popular vote matchups.
[7] While the President was not without controversy and opposition, as she was a woman of a privileged upbringing, most approved of her decisions regarding the ongoing global crises. Combined with a weak Democratic candidate seen as an empty suit by most and you have a recipe for the first Republican popular vote win in 28 years. Wasn't close to a landslide though.
[8] Not yet assumed office. Three terms of female presidents and now America has its first president-elect that is neither male or female. Lawton is also the first Democrat nominee from the progressive faction of the party, which began with Bernie Sanders in 2016. Their middle name is Frisk.

Midterms

2022: The Red Ripple. Republicans gained very little, but what they did gain was consequential. Most of President Biden's major accomplishments were in his first two years.
2026: First major Republican midterms since 2014. 6 year itch and a slow burning scandal at the top.
2030: Neutral. Nation completely concerned with foreign policy issues.
2034: Major Democratic wave year. Democrats win on domestic and environmental policies, not to mention the 6 year itch.
The current politics rule means you're not allowed any current politicians in an election. E.g: no Trump, Biden, Jorgensen or Hawkins in 2020, the "current" election. (I believe once the 2020 election is called, 2024 becomes the current election.)
@CalBear I'm a bit unsure on some of it though. When does a politician cease being "current"? Since Biden has won the 2020 nomination, could you have, for example, a Buttigieg v Not-Trump 2020? Are there specific criteria for who is current and who is not?
 

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The current politics rule means you're not allowed any current politicians in an election. E.g: no Trump, Biden, Jorgensen or Hawkins in 2020, the "current" election. (I believe once the 2020 election is called, 2024 becomes the current election.)
@CalBear I'm a bit unsure on some of it though. When does a politician cease being "current"? Since Biden has won the 2020 nomination, could you have, for example, a Buttigieg v Not-Trump 2020? Are there specific criteria for who is current and who is not?
If you can not reasonably discuss an election or politician without referencing current politics, the election or politician is off-limits. Prior to the second half of 2016, this was actually a fairly simple requirement. No longer the case, and I seriously doubt that will change anytime soon.
 
1993-1995: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
1992: Defeated George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle and Ross Perot/James Stockdale
1995-1997: Al Gore/VACANT
1997-2001: Al Gore/Howard Dean

1996: Defeated Bob Dornan/Jack Kemp
2001-2005: Dan Quayle/George W. Bush
2000: Defeated Howard Dean/John Kerry and Ralph Nader/Various
2004: Defeated Dennis Kucinich/Hillary Clinton
2005-2006: Dan Quayle/VACANT
2006-2006: Dan Quayle!/Olympia Snowe
2006-2006: Olympia Snowe/VACANT
2006-2009: Olympia Snowe/Bill Weld
2009-2013: Al Gore/Wesley Clark

2008: Defeated Olympia Snowe/Jim Talent
2013-2021: John Kasich/Chris Sununu
2012: Defeated Al Gore/Wesley Clark and Bill Weld/Mitt Romney
2016: Defeated Wesley Clark/Jennifer Granholm

2021-2025: Chris Sununu/Ken Calvert
2020: Defeated Deval Patrick/Maggie Hassen


†: Died in office

!: Impeached
 
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If you can not reasonably discuss an election or politician without referencing current politics, the election or politician is off-limits. Prior to the second half of 2016, this was actually a fairly simple requirement. No longer the case, and I seriously doubt that will change anytime soon.
If you want, go to the Current Politics section (Chat),
 

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What if Senator Brazeau actually trained and defeated Trudeau in that boxing match?

Prime Ministers of Canada
Stephen Harper (Conservative)
2006 - 2015
2006 (Minority): Paul Martin (Liberal), Gilles Dcueppe (Bloc Québécois), Jack Layton (New Democratic)
2008 (Minority): Stéphane Dion (Liberal), Gilles Dcueppe (Bloc Québécois), Jack Layton (New Democratic)
2011 (Majority): Jack Layton (New Democratic), Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Gilles Dcueppe (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green)
2015 (Minority): Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic), Marc Garneau (Liberal), Gilles Dcueppe (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green)

Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic leading New Democratic/Liberal Coalition; later New Democratic) 2015 - present
2017 (Minority): Jason Kenney (Conservative), Marc Garneau (Liberal), Rhéal Fortin (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green), Niki Ashton (Labour)
2018 (Majority): Jason Kenney (Conservative), Scott Brison (Liberal), Rhéal Fortin (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green), Niki Ashton (Labour)
Pretty surew Harper is very much still active in Canadian politics. As that is the case he falls under "current politics".
 
Pretty surew Harper is very much still active in Canadian politics. As that is the case he falls under "current politics".
This thread is full of lists that include current politics. Not trying to violate the rules, but when did that start to affect lists in this thread?

The POD is 2012. Also since Harper is no longer an elected MP, I'd debate whether or not he's active. He's not the central focus on this list.
 
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This thread is full of lists that include current politics. Not trying to violate the rules, but when did that start to affect lists in this thread?

The POD is 2012. Also since Harper is no longer an elected MP, I'd debate whether or not he's active. He's not the central focus on this list.
I'm just going to delete the list and re-post elsewhere. I don't want to violate any rules established by the Administration and get banned, and I think the situation would be better if I simply stick to my tiny corner of the forum over at my test thread.
 
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