List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Ethan P

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Dubya as his Dad (George W. Bush as George H. W. Bush)
Anybody got ideas for candidates and running mates I've left out? Thank you to themannis24 and Servo1991 for the suggestions so far!
Based on the above list with some modifications, or Dear God Why Is Every Current US Politician So Damn Old:

43: Gov. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Rep. John Kasich (R-OH) (2001-2005)
def 2000. Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)/Gov. Ann Richards (D-TX)
44: Sen. John Edwards (D-NC)/Rep. Barack Obama (D-IL) (2005-2013)
def 2004. Pres. George W. Bush (R-TX)/VP John Kasich (R-OH) and Fmr. Gov. Jesse Ventura (I-MN)/Adm. Michael Mullen (I-TX)
def 2008. Senate Majority Leader John McCain (R-AZ)/Fmr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) and Fmr. Gov. Jesse Ventura/Businessman Donald Trump (I-NJ)

45: Sen. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) (2013-2021)
def 2012. VP Barack Obama (D-IL)/Sen. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) (won popular vote)
def 2016. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)/Sen. Roy Cooper (D-NC)

46: Sen. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)/Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) (2021-2029)
def 2020. Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH)/Fmr. Gov. Nikki Haley (R-SC)
def 2024. Fmr. Gov. Scott Brown (R-MA)/Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL)

47: Fmr. NFL Quarterback Tom Brady (R-FL)/Sen. Mike Gallagher (R-WI) (2029-now)
def. 2028. Fmr. Secretary of State Cate Edwards (D-NC)/Sen. Tom Perriello (D-VA) (won popular vote)
2032 Election: Pres. Tom Brady (R-FL)/VP Mike Gallagher (R-WI) (35.6%) vs Fmr. VP Sherrod Brown (D-OH)/Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV) (51.2%)
 
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Senator Robert Kennedy (D-MA)/Senator Ralph Yarabourgh (D-TX) 1969-1977
1968 def. Former Vice President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Governor Spiro Agnew (R-MD) Former Governor George Wallace (AI-AL)/General Curtis LeMay (AI-PA)
1972 def.
Former Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Senator Bill Brock (R-TN)
Senator Frank Borman (R-IN)/Speaker Gerald Ford (R-MI) 1977-1985
1976 def. Senator Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Senator Frank Church (D-ID)
1980 def.
Senator Scoop Jackson (D-WA)/Senator Walter Mondale (D-MN)
Governor Jerry Brown (D-CA)/Senator Gary Hart (D-CO)
1985-1989
1984 def.
Vice President Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)
Speaker Dick Cheney (R-WY)/Senator George Bush (R-TX)
1989-1997
1988 def.
President Jerry Brown (D-CA)/Governor Bill Clinton (D-AR)
1992 def. Senator Al Gore (D-TN)/Former Senator Paul Tsongas (D-MA)
Vice President George Bush (R-TX)/Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL) 1997-2001
1996 def. Senator John Kerry (D-MA)/Senator Bill Bradley (D-NJ)
Speaker Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 2001-2005
2000 def. President George Bush (R-TX)/Vice President Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)
Senator John McCain (R-AZ)/Governor George Pataki (R-NY) 2005-2009
2004 def. President Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Vice President Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI)/Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) 2009-2017
2008 def. President John McCain (R-AZ)/Vice President George Pataki (R-NY)
2012 def. Vice President George Pataki (R-NY)/Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA)

Vice President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Secretary of Energy Bernie Sanders (D-VT) 2017-
2016 def. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Governor Chris Cristie (R-NJ)
2020 Polls:
President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Vice President Bernie Sanders (D-VT) 53.2%
Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR)/Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) 45.2%
 

Ethan P

Banned
Kick
A Hellworld List, Starring Tucker Carlson and Coup D'Etats (based on Upon A Cross of Globalism):
2017-2019: Crappy, Uncharismatic Democratic Politico Who Resigns Due To Scandal/Boring White-Toast Senator from God Knows Where
2016: def. SCREAMING BALL OF HATRED/Boring neighbour who's also super unlikable
2019-2021: Boring White-Toast VP from God Knows Where/VACANT
2021-2025: Boring White-Toast President from God Knows Where/Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ)

2020: def. Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI)/Fmr. Gov. Brian Sandoval (R-NV)
2025-2033: Political Commentator Tucker Carlson (R-VA)/Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO)
2024: def. VP Cory Booker (D-NJ)/Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) (won popular vote)
2028: def. Sen. Jeff Jackson (D-NC)/Gov. Joe Neguse (D-CO)
(won popular vote)
2033-2041: VP Josh Hawley (R-MO)/Fmr. Gov. Matt Gaetz (R-FL)
2032: def. Gov. Mike Levin (D-CA)/Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-IL) (won popular vote)
2036: def. Gov. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA)/Sen. Pete Buttigieg (D-IN) (won popular vote)

2041-2043: Sen. Carlos Ramirez-Rosa (D-IL)/Gov. London Breed (D-CA) (assassinated by Eddie Gallagher in Coup of 2043)
2040: def. VP Matt Gaetz (R-FL)/Fmr. Gov. Dan Patrick (R-TX)
2043-2044 (D.C. Govt--Disputed): House Speaker Matt Shea (R-WA)/vacant

2044-2051 (D.C. Govt/Camp David Govt--Disputed): Vice Adm. Eddie Gallagher (R-D.C.)/Fmr. DHS Sec. Kris Kobach (R-KS) (overthrown in second American General Conflict, arrested for treason, sedition, etc)
2044: def.
scattered Dem. tickets (caused by defection/arrests of Dem. officials, politicians)
2048: ELECTION CANCELLED

2043-2051 (California Govt--Disputed): Fmr. Sen. Jason Kander (NNU-MO)/Fmr. Gov. Mike Levin (NNU-CA) (as Gen. Coordinator of 'Legitimatist' American Govt and Chancellor of American Council of Governance respectively)
2044: def. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NNU-NY)/Fmr. Sen. Krystal Ball (NNU-VA)
2048: unopposed

2043-2051 (London Govt--Disputed): Fmr. VP Cory Booker (I-NJ) (as Acting President)
2042: def. Fmr. Sen. Joe Kennedy III (I-MA)
2044: def. Fmr. Gov. Gavin Newsom (I-CA)
2050: unopposed

2051-now: Fmr. VP Cory Booker (I-NJ)/Gen. Coordinator of Cali. Govt Jason Kander (NNU-MO)
2051 Special Election: def. Fmr. House Speaker Paul Ryan (C-WI)/Fmr. Sen. Tim Scott (C-SC), Fmr. Sen. Tulsi Gabbard (I-HI)/Fmr. Gov. Nicole Galloway (I-MO), scattered Republican tickets
2054: def. Gov. Andrew Yang (I-NY)/Sen. Mike Gallagher (C-WI)
 
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Death Do Us Part I: Better To Burn Out Than To Fade Away

Tags: *=died, **=killed, green=Democratic-Republican, light orange=Republican(ITTL), brownish-grey=Populist

4: James Madison**(1809-1814)/George Clinton*(1809-1812), Elbridge Gerry(1813-1814)
4(acting president): Elbridge Gerry*(1814), John Galliard(1814-1816)
5: William H Crawford(1816-1824)/Simon Synder*(1816-1819), Richard Stockton(1820-1824)[1]

6: Andrew Jackson/Smith Thompson(1824-1828)[2]
7: John C Calhoun(1828-1836)/Richard Rush(1828-1832), John Floyd(1832-1836)

8: William Henry Harrison/Henry Clay(1836-1840)[3]
9: Marcus Morton/James K Polk(1840-1844)

[1]In the fire and the flames, Madison is killed in the chaos of the burning of the White House. This is a catastrophe for morale and ever more a reason for General Jackson to despise the British. Unlike the obstinate Tyler, Gerry is never able to establish himself as president in full, and given his days are numbered anyway it doesn't matter much. Galliard assumes the position of acting president until a special election of 1815, where William H Crawford breaks the Virginia dynasty and overtakes Monroe. He benefits from a different era of good feelings, but the scar of Madison's death remains
[2]Vengeance for Madison! King Mob arrives, a War of 1826...which ends pretty poorly, all things considered. Instead the scheming Calhoun takes his chance. The Dem-Rep becomes simply the Republican Party, while Jackson founds the Populist Party
[3]What to do about Mexico? Luckily we have Willie H to help
 
Barajando el Mazo
(Or, a Chilean Shuffling the Deck)

1932-1934: Arturo Alessandri Palma (PL): "My beloved rabble"

Wins 1932 Presidential Election.
Deposed and killed in 1934 Coup.

1934-1938: Carlos Ibáñez del Campo (Ind): "The man with the broom"
Forced to resign after failed 1938 National Socialist self-coup.
1938-1944: Gabriel González Videla (PR): "The People call him Gabriel"
Wins 1938 Presidential Election, unable to run for immediate re-election.
1944-1950: Jorge Alessandri Rodríguez (PL): "Government by Management"
Wins 1941 Presidential Election, unable to run for immediate re-election.
1950-1956: Pedro Aguirre Cerda (PR): "To Govern is to Struggle"
Wins 1947 Presidential Election, unable to run for immediate re-election.
1956-1960: Juan Antonio Ríos (PR): "Rule by CEN"
Wins 1953 Presidential Election.
Deposed by the Chaucha Revolution.

1960-1977: Salvador Allende (FRAP): "The great avenues shall open"
Wins 1965 and 1970 Referendums, 1975 Referendum suspended.
Deposed in 1977 Coup, sent into exile.

1977-1979: Augusto Pinochet (Ind): "What a great economy!"
Military and Civilian-led Junta.
Dies in Tal-Tal helicopter crash.

1979-1983: Eduardo Frei Montalva (PDC): "Not a single line"
Wins 1979 Presidential Election, limited to a four year term.
1983-1989: Patricio Aylwin (PDC): "As far as possible"
Wins 1983 Presidential Election, unable to run for immediate re-election (terms brought back to six years).
1989-1995: Sebastián Piñera (PDC): "Better times"
Wins 1989 Presidential Election, unable to run for immediate re-election.
1995-2001: Michelle Bachelet (PS): "I learned via press"
Wins 1995 Presidential Election, unable to run for immediate re-election.
2001-2006: Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle (PDC): "We're in the 21st Century"
Wins 2001 Presidential Election, first of two non-consecutive terms (terms shortened to five years via 2000 Constitutional Amendment).
2006-2011: Ricardo Lagos (PS): "The man with the finger"
Wins 2006 Presidential Election, first of two non-consecutive terms.
2011-2016: Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle (PDC): "To Govern is to Travel"
Wins 2011 Presidential Election, second of two non-consecutive terms.
2016-Present: Ricardo Lagos (PS): "The Party of Democracy"
Wins 2016 Presidential Election, second of two non-consecutive terms.
 

Ethan P

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A DOOOOOOOOOOOMM List, Starring Al Haig, Michelle Bachmann, Rumsfeldia and Wikiboxes showing Barack Obama and Don Trump as musicians: (also eventually things get better but shhhhhh)
1981-1985: Ret. Gen. Al Haig (Republican-NY) (resigned due to Iran-Contra scandal)/Rep. Don Rumsfeld (R-IL)
1980: def. incumbents
1984: def. Sen. Gary Hart (Democratic-CO)/Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC) (won popular vote)

1985-1993: VP Don Rumsfeld (R-IL)/Sec. George Bush (R-TX)

1988: def. Sen. John Glenn (D-OH)/Sen. Al Gore (D-TN) (won popular vote)
1993-1994: Pres. Don Rumsfeld (R-IL) (assassinated by Al-Qaeda)/Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA)
1992: def. Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Fmr. Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA), VP George Bush (Independent-TX)/Sen. Chuck Grassley (I-IO)
1994-2001: VP Newt Gingrich (New National Union-GA)/Sec. Oliver North (NNU-VA)
1996: def. Fmr. VP George Bush (I-TX)/Gov. Evan Bayh (D-IN)
2001-2002: VP Oliver North (NNU-VA) (killed in Capitol Attacks of 10/17)/Fmr. Sec. Dick Cheney (NNU-WY)
2000: def. Fmr. Gov. Mike Dukakis (D-MA)/Fmr. Gov Ann Richards (D-TX) (won popular vote), Sen. Sam Brownback (CH-KS)/Rep. Jim DeMint (CH-SC)

2002-2006: VP Dick Cheney (NNU-WY)/Sen. Scooter Libby (NNU-TX) (impeached for sedition, abuse of funds, etc)
2004: def. Sen. Sam Brownback (CH-KS)/Speaker Michelle Bachmann (CH-MN) (won PV), various Democratic tickets
2006-2011: Speaker Michelle Bachmann (Christian Heritage-MN)/Rep. Mike Pence (CH-IN)

2008: def. Fmr. Sen. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), various New National Union write-ins
2011-2015: VP Mike Pence (CH-IN)/Fmr. Sen. Mike Huckabee (CH-AR)
2012: def. scattered Democratic opposition
2015-2021: Fmr. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Wesley Clark (Nonpartisan-OK)/Fmr. AG Robert Mueller (NP-VA)
2018: def. scattered Democratic/Christian Heritage/National Republican opposition
2021-present: Fmr. Gov. Al Gore (D-TN)/Gov. Cory Booker (D-NJ)
2020 1st round: def. Sen. Paul Ryan (New Federalist-WI)/Gov. Tim Scott (NF-SC), Gov. Bernie Sanders (Social Democratic-VT)/Rep. Ro Khanna (SD-CA), Fmr. Gov. Matt Salmon (American Conservative-AZ)/Rep. Tom Cotton (AC-AR), Rep. Marco Rubio (Citizens'-FL)/Rep. Harley Rouda (C-CA)
2020 2nd round: def. Sen. Paul Ryan (NF-WI)/Gov. Tim Scott (NF-SC), various write-in candidates
 
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I had posted an incomplete version of this a while (almost a full) ago. Now complete. People in the second list, starting with Iskender I, are mostly the same people in the first list (starting with Alexander I). The one exception is Queen Elizabeth II and "Sultan" Murad IV (Willem II of the Netherlands) who are unique to their lists.

Monarchs of England and Great Britain in my Osmanlı-UK thing. Starting with Elizabeth I, who married Otto "the Mercenary Consort" (the Cem'ite claimant Osman II).
Monarchs of England:
1558-1603 Elizabeth I Tudor
1603-1637 Alexander I Osman-Tudor
1637-1666 Solomon I Osman-Tudor*
1666-1669 Alexander II and IV Osman-Tudor*
1669-1694 Henry IX and I Osman-Tudor*
Monarchs of Great Britain:
1694-1701 Henry IX Osman-Tudor
1701-1727 Edward VII Osman-Tudor
1727-1760 James I Osman-Tudor
1760-1801 Elizabeth II Osman-Tudor
Monarchs of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland:
1801-1820 Elizabeth II Osman-Tudor
1820-1837 Alexander III Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch) [1]
1837-1848 William III Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)
Monarchs of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and the Netherlands:
1848-1901 William III Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)
1901-1911 James II Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)
1911-1940 Edward VIII Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch) [2]
1940-1955 Henry X Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)
1955-1972 Solomon II Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)
1972-1994 James III Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)
1994-Present Otto I Osman-Tudor (Edinburgh /Netherlands Branch)

*Also Kings of the Scots starting 1660.
[1] Also King Alexander I of the Netherlands.
[2] Won the Anglo-Turkish War, "reclaiming" the Ottoman Throne.

The Cem'ite claimants of the Ottoman Empire:
1481-1495 Cem I [3]
1495-1533 Murad III [4]
1533-1548 Cebrail I (Gabriel di Turchia) [5]
1548-1596 Osman II (Otto "the Mercenary Consort") [6]
1596-1637 Iskender I
1637-1666 Suleiman I
1666-1669 Iskender II
1669-1701 Mehmed III
1701-1727 Bayezid II
1727-1760 Cem II
1760-1807 Murad IV [7]
1807-1837 Iskender III
1837-1901 Murad V
1901-1911 Cem II
1911-1922 Bayezid III
Monarchs of the Rumelian Empire: [8]
1922-1940 Bayezid III
1940-1955 Mehmed IV
1955-1972 Suleiman II
1972-1994 Cem III
1994-Present Osman III

[3] Starting with the death of Mehmed II "the Conqueror"
[4] Failed in an invasion of the Balkans. Converted to Catholicism after his defeat. Killed in 1522 after the fall of Rhodes OTL.
[5] Lead a mercenary company
[6] Lead a mercenary company. Prince Consort of England, married to Elizabeth I.
[7] King Willem II of the Netherlands.
[8] Ottoman numbering according to Cem'ite succession. The Actual main Ottoman line continues as Governor-Generals of Rumelia and Caliphs of Islam.
 
Dubya as his Dad (George W. Bush as George H. W. Bush)

43: George W. Bush/John Kasich (2001-2005)
def 2000. John Kerry/Ann Richards
44: John Edwards/Barrack Obama (2005-2013)
def 2004. George W. Bush/John Kasich and Jesse Ventura/Unknown running mate
def 2008. John McCain/Rudy Giuliani and Jesse Ventura/Unknown running mate

45: Jeb Bush/some Neocon (2013-2021)
def 2012. Barrack Obama/Other Democratic candidate
def 2016. Elizabeth Warren/Tim Kaine

46: Democratic Obama analog (2021-2029)
def 2020. Rob Portman/Niki Haley
def 2024. Jon Huntsman/Paul Ryan analog

47: Tucker Carlson/Mike Pence analog (2029-2033/2037)

Anybody got ideas for candidates and running mates I've left out? Thank you to themannis24 and Servo1991 for the suggestions so far!
Some characters would still be old enough to be president/vicepresident without needing a replacement IMO...But for fun decided to go further if this helps ya with Ted Kennedy as JFK.
38. Ted Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen (1973-1975)
def 1972. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
39. Lloyd Bentsen/None (1975-1977)
Lloyd Bentsen/Eugene McCarthy (1977-1981)

def 1976. Barry Goldwater Jr./Nelson J Rockefeller
40. Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford (1981-1986)
def 1980. Eugene McCarthy/Gary Hart
def 1984. George McGovern/Sargent Shriver

41. Gerald Ford/John B. Anderson (1986-1989)
42. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (1989-1993)
def 1988. Gerald Ford/Bob Dole
43. Pete Wilson/George W. Bush (1993-2001)
def 1992 Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
def 1996. Walter Mondale/Hilary Clinton
44: George W. Bush/Dan Quayle (2001-2005)
def 2000. Howard Dean/Ann Richards
45: John Edwards/Al Gore (2005-2013)

def 2004. George W. Bush/Dan Quayle
def 2008. John McCain/Rudy Giuliani

46: Jeb Bush/Robert Gates(2013-2021)

def 2012. Al Gore/Bernie Sanders
def 2016. Martin O'Malley/Tim Kaine
47: Barack Obama/Sherrod Brown(2021-2029)

def 2020. Rob Portman/Niki Haley
def 2024. Jon Huntsman Jr./Paul Ryan

48: Eric Trump/Charlie Kirk (2029-2033/2037)
 
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Ethan P

Banned
John Kerry As JFK (Why? Who cares)
1989-1997: Gov. Mike Dukakis (Democratic-MA)/Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE)
1988: def. VP George Bush (R-TX)/Sen. Dan Quayle (R-IN)
1992: def. Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS)/Gov. Pete Wilson (R-CA)

1997-2001: Sen. Jack Kemp (Republican-NY)/Rep. John Thune (R-SD)
1996: def. VP Joe Biden (D-DE)/Gov. Ann Richards (D-TX)
2001-2003: Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)/Fmr. Sen. Sam Nunn (D-GA)
2000: def. Incumbents, Ret. Gen. Colin Powell (I-NY)/Sen. John McCain (r-AZ)
2003-2009: VP Sam Nunn (D-GA)/Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI)
2004: def. Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA)/Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Sen. John McCain (Reform-AZ)/Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
2009-2013: Fmr. VP John Thune (R-SD)/Gov. Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)
2008: def. VP Russ Feingold (D-WI)/Gov. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (AI-AR)/Fmr. Sen. Zell Miller (AI-GA)
2008: def. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)/Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)

2013-2014: Pres. John Thune (R-SD)/House Minority Whip Rick Santorum (R-PA)
2014-2017: VP Rick Santorum (R-PA)/Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-UT)

2017-present: Gov. Mark Dayton (D-MN)/Fmr. Secretary of State John Edwards (D-NC)

2016: def. Pres. Rick Santorum (R-PA)/Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS)
2020: def. Fmr. VP Mitt Romney (R-UT)/Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ),
Fmr. Gov. Mike Pence (I-IN)/Rep. Martha Roby (R-AL)
 

Ethan P

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A Big F**king Deal: Biden 1992
1993-1997: Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE)/Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY) (appointed to Supreme Court in 1997)

1992: def. VP George Bush (R-TX)/Sec. Jack Kemp (R-NY)
1997-2001: Pres. Joe Biden (D-DE)/House Speaker Dick Gephardt (D-MO)
1996: def. Sen. Pete Nelson (R-CA)/Gov. George Voinovich (R-OH), Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/Fmr. Gov. Dick Lamm (I-CO)
2001-2005: VP Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
2000: def. Gov. Dan Quayle (R-IN)/Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX), Businessman Donald Trump (I-NY)/Businessman Jack Welch (I-MA)
2005-2013: Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Gov. John Sununu Jr. (R-NH)
2004: def. Incumbents, Fmr. Gov. Jesse Ventura (I-MN)/Fmr. Sen. Mike Gravel (I-AK)
2008: def. Gov. Hillary Clinton (D-IL)/Sen. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)/Rep. Rand Paul (I-KY)
2013-2021: Gov. Beau Biden (D-DE)/Sen. David Wellstone (D-MN)
2012: def. VP John Sununu Jr. (R-NH)/Sen. Mitt Romney (R-NH), Sen. Ross Perot Jr. (I-TX)/Gov. Andrew Yang (I-NY)
2016: def. Fmr. Gov. Jan Brewer (R-AZ)/Rep. Mike Lee (R-UT), Gov. Rupert Boneham (I-IN)/Rep. Ro Khanna (I-CA)
2021-now: VP David Wellstone (D-MN)/Gov. Vincent Sheheen (D-SC)
2020: def. Gov. Jeff Flake (R-AZ)/Sen. Savannah Maddox (R-KY), Sen. Justin Amash (I-MI)/Gov. Josh Hawley (I-MO)
 
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A Big F**king Deal: Biden 1992
1993-1997: Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE)/Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY) (appointed to Supreme Court in 1997)

1992: def. VP George Bush (R-TX)/Sec. Jack Kemp (R-NY)
1997-2001: Pres. Joe Biden (D-DE)/House Speaker Dick Gephardt (D-MO)
1996: def. Sen. Pete Nelson (R-CA)/Gov. George Voinovich (R-OH), Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/Fmr. Gov. Dick Lamm (I-CO)
2001-2005: VP Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
2000: def. Gov. Dan Quayle (R-IN)/Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX), Businessman Donald Trump (I-NY)/Businessman Jack Welch (I-MA)
2005-2013: Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Gov. John Sununu Jr. (R-NH)
2004: def. Incumbents, Fmr. Gov. Jesse Ventura (I-MN)/Fmr. Sen. Mike Gravel (I-AK)
2008: def. Gov. Hillary Clinton (D-IL)/Sen. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)/Rep. Rand Paul (I-KY)
2013-2021: Gov. Beau Biden (D-DE)/Sen. David Wellstone (D-MN)
2012: def. VP John Sununu Jr. (R-NH)/Sen. Mitt Romney (R-NH), Sen. Ross Perot Jr. (I-TX)/Gov. Rupert Boneham (I-IN), Fmr. Sen. Rick Santorum (AC-PA)/Rep. Mac Thornberry (AC-TX)
2016: def. Fmr. Gov. Jan Brewer (R-AZ)/Rep. Mike Lee (R-UT), Mayor Andrew Yang (I-NY)/Rep. Ro Khanna (I-CA)
2021-now: VP David Wellstone (D-MN)/Gov. Vincent Sheheen (D-SC)
2020: def. Gov. Jeff Flake (R-AZ)/Sen. Savannah Maddox (R-KY), Sen. Justin Amash (I-MI)/Gov. Josh Hawley (I-MO)
Hmm... IOTL Beau Biden died in 2015 from brain cancer. Did something butterfly away that diagnosis?
 

Ethan P

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Yep. I basically sent him straight to the Delaware governor's mansion in 2004, so I assume somewhere along the line his cancer is removed/cured. (I don't know, I'm not old enough to be in university)
Also I think it's fun to have dynasties where the son isn't a blithering, inept moron who ends up super unpopular while in office.
Hmm... IOTL Beau Biden died in 2015 from brain cancer. Did something butterfly away that diagnosis?
 
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Ethan P

Banned
Let's Make Every VP Pick Since 1992--Successful or Not--President
1989-1993: Senator Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Senator Al Gore (D-TN)
1988: def. VP George Bush (R-TX)/Gov. Carroll Campbell (R-SC)
1993-2001: VP Al Gore (D-TN)/Gov. Mike Dukakis (D-MA)
1992: def. Rep. Dick Cheney (R-WY)/Gov. Pete Wilson (R-CA), Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/scattered
1996: def. Gov. Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID)/Gov. Tommy Thompson (R-WI)

2001-2005: Sen. Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Sen. Dan Quayle (R-IN)
2000: def. VP Mike Dukakis (D-MA)/Fmr. Sen. Sam Nunn (D-GA)
2005-2013: Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT)/Speaker Dick Gephardt (D-MO)
2004: def. VP Dan Quayle (R-IN)/Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR)
2008: def. Sen. John Ensign (R-NV)/Gov. Bob Riley (R-AL)
2013-2017: Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK)/Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. (R-UT)
2012: def. VP Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Sen. Bill Richardson (D-NM)
2017-now: Fmr. Secretary of State Joe Biden (D-DE)/Gov. John Edwards (D-NC)
2016: def. incumbents, Fmr. Sen. Rick Santorum (CR-PA)/Fmr. Rep. Tim Huelskamp (CR-KS)
 
It bears repeating, as has been said before, that there already is a thread for alternate monarchs in the pre-1900s forum.
I would like to point out that the opening post of this thread is:
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
The go-to place to dump your poorly-written (or masterfully written) presidential, monarchistic, dictatorial or whatever lists-- all lists are welcome and encouraged!
To go to the original thread: click here
Also that mentioned thread is generally far more in depth and more about family trees (with all the issue of a monarch and so mentioned with marriages) rather than mostly direct lists.
 

Ethan P

Banned
A Slightly Ridiculously Bold Idea: Every two years, a random incumbent Governor of at least 4 years is chosen for President via draw, and a random incumbent Senator of the opposite party is chosen for Vice President via draw, with the same qualifications of having served for at least 4 years for MAXIMUM shits and giggles. This garbage system starts in 2000. Also we don't allow two consecutive terms with the same party at the helm because reasons, and everyone only gets one 2-year term. Also also I only used OTL politicians' terms in office (eg Charlie Crist is still a one-term governor) because why the hell not. Also also also each term starts on Jan 1st because I want it to be like that.
2001-2003: Governor George Pataki (R-NY)/Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
2003-2005: Governor Don Siegelman (D-AL)/
Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
2005-2007: Governor Mike Johanns (R-NE)/
Senator Tom Daschle (D-SD)
2007-2009: Governor Phil Bredesen (D-TN)/
Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
2009-2011: Governor Mike Rounds (R-SD)/
Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
2011-2013: Governor Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)/
Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
2013-2015: Governor Rick Perry (R-TX)/
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL)
2015-2017: Governor Jay Nixon (D-MO)/
Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)
2017-2019: Governor John Kasich (R-OH)/
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
2019-2021: Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY)/
Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
2021-2023: Governor Greg Abbott (R-TX)/
Senator Jon Tester (D-MT)
 
The New Order, Retained
Fuhrers of the Greater German Reich
Adolf Hitler 1933-1963
Reinhard Heydrich 1963*
Martin Bormann 1963-1964*
Hermann Goering 1963-1964*

Albert Speer 1964-1982
Adolf von Thadden 1982-1994
Jorg Haider 1994-2011
Holger Apfel 2011-


*Not recognized
Speer won the German Civil War. And in some ways that was a good thing-certainly better than if that nutcase Heydrich had won. But afterwards...well, let's just say modern Germany isn't exactly looking with shame at its past (well, besides Burgundy, but at least Himmler made a good scapegoat for Nazi excesses). Slavery is gone, at least specifically race-based. Penal servitude on the other hand is alive and well. And doctrines of Aryan supremacy are alive and well so if you're not Aryan the odds you end up experiencing that are considerably higher. Speer purged more hardline reformers along with the Nazi old guard and so Germany is still proudly flying a swastika over its buildings. Hitler is revered by the German masses and the Nazi Party retains control. However, post-Speer Germany is increasingly seen as a nation that can be worked with. The Koalition der Nations Germany speerheaded (pun not intended) has swayed the Japanese and Americans towards a detente since the 1990's. To the NPP, Japan post-Kishi and destroying China after the Great Asian War seems like a far greater threat and the right-wingers are happy to form an alliance of convenience. Among the R-Ds, doing business with Germany is seen as better than continuing a three-way Cold War. Japan, meanwhile, has warmed up towards their old ally amidst their own drift further to the right. The Axis still is dead (if nothing else, Italy's democratic government would not want any part in a restored Pact of Steel), but Japan and Germany regularly scratch each other's backs at the KdN summits when the US is more worked up about human rights (Presidents Gravel and Watts in particular).

This is not to say every country is chill with the Third Reich. The Levantine Confederation remains cold towards Germany even after von Thadden offered a half-hearted apology for the Nazi persecution of Jews. Italy, having been shifting leftwards constantly since Ciano, has steadily increased its fortifications along the border with Germany and demagoguing about Nazi spies is a great way to win seats in the country. Meanwhile, the Unified Russian Republic continues to saber-rattle towards Germany. Rising to power after the collapse of the Divine Mandate of Russia after Men's 1995 assassination (rumored to have been on Haider's orders), the URR, contrary to its name, is ultranationalist and, if Fuhrer Apfel's regime is to be believed, seeks to use nuclear weapons to destroy the Reich. This is the biggest flashpoint in the world today.

That said, for the most part, the Reich is an accepted part of the international community. Sure, some Congressmen take potshots at Hollywood trying to avoid unflattering depictions of the Germans (not that this has shut up the more old-fashioned Nazis from complaining about 'Hollywood's Judeo-Bolsheviks') and every so often a resistance group will bomb a city in Germany. But for the most part, Germany seems stable and functioning, if not free and tolerant. Maybe it won't last a THOUSAND years but they probably aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Given that, is it really that horrible to buy a Volkswagon? They're gonna keep making them in the penal camps anyway.
 

Ethan P

Banned
The New Order, Retained
An Unauthorized List of US Presidents:
1944-1953: Governor Tom Dewey (R-NY)/Senator John Bricker (R-OH)
1944: def. VP Henry Wallace (D-IO)/Senator Alben Barkley (D-KY), Governor Strom Thurmond (I-SC)/various
1948: def. Senator Harry Truman (D-MO)/Rep. Estes Kefauver (D-TN), Fmr. VP Henry Wallace (P-IO)/Fmr. Mayor Fiorello La Guardia (P-NY)

1953-1961: Governor Adlai Stevenson II (D-IL)/Senator Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)
1952: def. Sen. Robert Taft (R-OH)/Gov. Earl Warren (R-CA)
1956: def. Ret. Gen. Douglas MacArthur (R-AR)/Sen. Richard Nixon (R-CA)

1961-1965: VP Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Sen. Mike Mansfield (D-MT)
1960: def. Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA)/Gov. Cecil Underwood (R-WV)
1965-1969: Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Senator Gerald Ford (R-MI)
1964: def. incumbents, Sen. Harry F. Byrd (I-VA)/Ret. Gen. Curtis LeMay (I-CA)
1969-1974: Sen. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Sen. Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)
1968: def. incumbents, Sen. Barry Goldwater (L-AZ)/various
1972: def. Fmr. Gov. Spiro Agnew (R-MD)/Rep. John Ashbrook (R-OH)
[replaced Sen. Edward Brooke (R-MA)]
1974-1981: VP Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Sen. Mike Gravel (D-AK)
1976: def. Fmr. Secretary of State Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS)
1981-1989: VP Mike Gravel (D-AK)/Sen. Dale Bumpers (D-AR)
1980: def. Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Rep. Don Rumsfeld (R-IL)
1984: def. Sen. Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Gov. Bruce Cheney (R-NE)

1989-1997: Fmr. Gov. Lamar Alexander (R-TN)/Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX)
1988: def. Sen. Gary Hart (D-CO)/Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY)
1992: def. Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Gov. Ann Richards (D-TX)

1997-2005: Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-MN)/Sen. Al Gore (D-TN)
1996: def. VP Phil Gramm (R-TX)/Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY), Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/Ret. Gen. Colin Powell (I-NY)
2000: def. Sen. Barry Goldwater Jr. (R-CA)/Gov. Tommy Thompson (R-WI)

2005-2013: Sen. J.C. Watts (R-OK)/Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
2004: def. VP Al Gore (D-TN)/Gov. Hillary Clinton (D-IL), Fmr. Gov. Jerry Brown (I-CA)/Gov. Howard Dean (I-VT)
2008: def. Gov. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)/Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)

2013-now: Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI)/Fmr. Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2012: def. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT)/Gov. Charlie Crist (R-FL), Fmr. Sen. Mike Huckabee (I-AR)/Fmr. Rep. Rick Santorum (I-PA)
 
An Unauthorized List of US Presidents:
1944-1953: Governor Tom Dewey (R-NY)/Senator John Bricker (R-OH)
1944: def. VP Henry Wallace (D-IO)/Senator Alben Barkley (D-KY), Governor Strom Thurmond (I-SC)/various
1948: def. Senator Harry Truman (D-MO)/Rep. Estes Kefauver (D-TN), Fmr. VP Henry Wallace (P-IO)/Fmr. Mayor Fiorello La Guardia (P-NY)

1953-1961: Governor Adlai Stevenson II (D-IL)/Senator Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)
1952: def. Sen. Robert Taft (R-OH)/Gov. Earl Warren (R-CA)
1956: def. Ret. Gen. Douglas MacArthur (R-AR)/Sen. Richard Nixon (R-CA)

1961-1965: VP Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Sen. Mike Mansfield (D-MT)
1960: def. Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA)/Gov. Cecil Underwood (R-WV)
1965-1969: Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Senator Gerald Ford (R-MI)
1964: def. incumbents, Sen. Harry F. Byrd (I-VA)/Ret. Gen. Curtis LeMay (I-CA)
1969-1974: Sen. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Sen. Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)
1968: def. incumbents, Sen. Barry Goldwater (L-AZ)/various
1972: def. Fmr. Gov. Spiro Agnew (R-MD)/Rep. John Ashbrook (R-OH)
[replaced Sen. Edward Brooke (R-MA)]
1974-1981: VP Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Sen. Mike Gravel (D-AK)
1976: def. Fmr. Secretary of State Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS)
1981-1989: VP Mike Gravel (D-AK)/Sen. Dale Bumpers (D-AR)
1980: def. Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Rep. Don Rumsfeld (R-IL)
1984: def. Sen. Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Gov. Bruce Cheney (R-NE)

1989-1997: Fmr. Gov. Lamar Alexander (R-TN)/Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX)
1988: def. Sen. Gary Hart (D-CO)/Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY)
1992: def. Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Gov. Ann Richards (D-TX)

1997-2005: Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-MN)/Sen. Al Gore (D-TN)
1996: def. VP Phil Gramm (R-TX)/Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY), Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/Ret. Gen. Colin Powell (I-NY)
2000: def. Sen. Barry Goldwater Jr. (R-CA)/Gov. Tommy Thompson (R-WI)

2005-2013: Sen. J.C. Watts (R-OK)/Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
2004: def. VP Al Gore (D-TN)/Gov. Hillary Clinton (D-IL), Fmr. Gov. Jerry Brown (I-CA)/Gov. Howard Dean (I-VT)
2008: def. Gov. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)/Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)

2013-now: Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI)/Fmr. Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2012: def. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT)/Gov. Charlie Crist (R-FL), Fmr. Sen. Mike Huckabee (I-AR)/Fmr. Rep. Rick Santorum (I-PA)
Nice list but it’s worth noting this is a hypothetical future for the Hearts of Iron mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe which has a presidents list canon to 1962 and a different political system to OTL (can be found here:https://the-new-order-last-days-of-europe.fandom.com/wiki/United_States_of_America)
 
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