List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

building on this: family tree for Henry VII and his kids:

Henry VII of England and Ireland (b.1457) m Elizabeth of York (b.1466) in 1485

issue

A) Arthur, Prince of Wales (b.1486) m Catherine of Aragon (b.1485) in 1501 had issue

b) Margaret Tudor (b.1489) m James IV (b.1473) in 1503 had issue

c) Henry, Duke of York (b.1491)

d) Mary Tudor (b.1496) m Christian II of Denmark and Norway (b.1481) in 1511 had issue

e) Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b.1499; d.1500)
Are there no suitable brides for Henry? Marguerite d'Angouleme, Bona Sforza, one of the Bavarian girls could all work
 
Are there no suitable brides for Henry? Marguerite d'Angouleme, Bona Sforza, one of the Bavarian girls could all work
NOT the Bavarian girls… I would say either Marguerite d’Angouleme or Madeleine de la Tour d’Auvergne (who is a French heiress and first cousin and sister-in-law of Albany)…
 
POD: Juan, Prince of Asturias does not die.

Juan, Prince orf Asturias (b.1478) m Margaret of Austria (b.1480) in 1497

issue:

Isabella of Spain (b.1498)

Infante Ferdinand of Spain (b.1499)

miscarriage (1501)

Maria of Spain (b.1503)

Infante Maximilian of Spain (b.1505)

miscarriage (1507)

Margaret of Spain (b.1510)

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I doubt one of their sons would be named Maximiliano when Juan is right there.
 
NOT the Bavarian girls… I would say either Marguerite d’Angouleme or Madeleine de la Tour d’Auvergne (who is a French heiress and first cousin and sister-in-law of Albany)…
Madeleine makes sense if Arthur wants to secure englands French possessions or add to them
 
POD: Rome peacefully coexists with Carthage, and the Caesar assassination goes wrong.

Key
X. Imperial name (Real name, b. BIRTHDATE) // accession date — abdication/assassination/death date
Brief summary of what they did.
Child
Child
Child who directly succeeds parent

Caesarean dynasty
I. Julian Major (Gaius Julius Caesar, b. 100 BC) // 18 March 44 BC — 4 September 14 BC
After receiving significant brain damage from
a conspiratorial plot on the Ides of March, a changed Julius Caesar believes himself to have a destiny from the gods, and proclaims himself as the Eagle Emperor. He then proceeds to conquer Hispania, Gaul, and Illyria in a series of. Growing paranoid, Caesar commissions massive walls to be made along the Rhine to protect against Germanic invasions, and constantly seeks methods to become immortal. He finds his solution in some local shiny black berries which end up causing his death.
— Julia (b. 76 BC)
— Octavian (b. 63 BC; adopted 44 BC)
Caesarion (b. 47 BC)
II. Julian Minor (Ptolemy XV Caesar, b. 47 BC) // 4 September 14 BC — 18 August 12 BC
Following the untimely death of his father, Caesarion takes over as...

No heirs
 
POD: Rome peacefully coexists with Carthage, and the Caesar assassination goes wrong.

Key
X. Imperial name (Real name, b. BIRTHDATE) // accession date — abdication/assassination/death date
Brief summary of what they did.
Child
Child
Child who directly succeeds parent

Caesarean dynasty
I. Julian Major (Gaius Julius Caesar, b. 100 BC) // 18 March 44 BC — 4 September 14 BC
After receiving significant brain damage from
a conspiratorial plot on the Ides of March, a changed Julius Caesar believes himself to have a destiny from the gods, and proclaims himself as the Eagle Emperor. He then proceeds to conquer Hispania, Gaul, and Illyria in a series of. Growing paranoid, Caesar commissions massive walls to be made along the Rhine to protect against Germanic invasions, and constantly seeks methods to become immortal. He finds his solution in some local shiny black berries which end up causing his death.
— Julia (b. 76 BC)
— Octavian (b. 63 BC; adopted 44 BC)
Caesarion (b. 47 BC)
II. Julian Minor (Ptolemy XV Caesar, b. 47 BC) // 4 September 14 BC — 18 August 12 BC
Following the untimely death of his father, Caesarion takes over as...

No heirs

This is quiet ASB. Not way that Caesar who suffers from brain damage is allowed to do much speciality he would be totally unable to create monarchy and survive. And I can't see him living that old. Perhaps ten years longer but not much more with his health. Futhermore some brain damage hardly would make his epilepsy any better.

And why Caesarion would succeed him, not Octavian? Caesar never recognised his paternity and hardly would do that ITTL either. And Romans never would accept someone foreigner become their leader.

And Hispania, Gaul and Illyria were already conquered by 44 BC.
 
This is quiet ASB. Not way that Caesar who suffers from brain damage is allowed to do much speciality he would be totally unable to create monarchy and survive. And I can't see him living that old. Perhaps ten years longer but not much more with his health. Futhermore some brain damage hardly would make his epilepsy any better.

And why Caesarion would succeed him, not Octavian? Caesar never recognised his paternity and hardly would do that ITTL either. And Romans never would accept someone foreigner become their leader.

And Hispania, Gaul and Illyria were already conquered by 44 BC.
To tackle the last one, it involves butterflies from the peace deal with Carthage that led to the Mediterranean balance in power; Caesar's great feat pre-assassination is the conquest of parts of Iberia.

Secondly, I could see his ailing health and his cognitive decline playing a role in his decision to try and seek immortality near the end of his life.

Now, onto the problem of the Caesarean wars continuing past a plausible date for the end of his life; is there a way to shorten the wars to the point that they are achievable within Caesar's remaining lifespan?

Finally, the problem with Caesarion. With the timeline (Divergent Longitudes) being an East-West role reversal, this may somewhat work well — if a way is found for Caesar to have a better relationship with his son, enough to make him the heir to the throne, and the Roman people don't like it, it could set up the kind of turbulent conditions that mimic the collapse of the Qin dynasty in OTL.

Don't know much about history from this time period, so a better way to go about causing the collapse of a Caesarean Rome Qin-stylewould be appreciated.
 
Are there no suitable brides for Henry? Marguerite d'Angouleme, Bona Sforza, one of the Bavarian girls could all work

Henry may have ended up in the Church. It would fit with Henry VII want to maintain source of wealth and power to have Henry made a Bishop an a reasonable young age
 
Henry may have ended up in the Church. It would fit with Henry VII want to maintain source of wealth and power to have Henry made a Bishop an a reasonable young age
It would also be suicide, henrh ain’t sending his second son to the church where he will be unable to marry and sire back up heirs.
 
It would also be suicide, henrh ain’t sending his second son to the church where he will be unable to marry and sire back up heirs.
True, although if needed he should get dispensation easily, like plenty of younger sons before, who left clergy, after their older brothers died childless. God, unlike Catherine of Aragon, is not close relative of Holy Roman Emperor :)
 
This is one I’m quite excited for aha.

Anne Hyde dies in 1662

James, Duke of York and Albany (b.1633) m 1) Anne Hyde (b.1638: d.1662) 2) Anne Sophie of Denmark (b.1647)

issue

1a) Charles, Duke of Cambridge (b.1660: d.1661)

1b) miscarriage (1662)

2c) Henry Frederick, Duke of Cambridge (b.1663)

2d) Charles, Duke of Kendal (b.1664)

2e) Mary of York (b.1666)

2f) miscarriage (1667)

2g) Sophie of York (b.1669)

2h) miscarriage (1671)

2i) James, Duke of Clarence and St Andrew’s (b.1674)

2j) Catherine of York (b.1677)

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This is one I’m quite excited for aha.

Anne Hyde dies in 1662

James, Duke of York and Albany (b.1633) m 1) Anne Hyde (b.1638: d.1662) 2) Anne Sophie of Denmark (b.1647)

issue

1a) Charles, Duke of Cambridge (b.1660: d.1661)

1b) miscarriage (1662)

2c) Henry Frederick, Duke of Cambridge (b.1663)

2d) Charles, Duke of Kendal (b.1664)

2e) Mary of York (b.1666)

2f) miscarriage (1667)

2g) Sophie of York (b.1669)

2h) miscarriage (1671)

2i) James, Duke of Clarence and St Andrew’s (b.1674)

2j) Catherine of York (b.1677)

@Kellan Sullivan @King of Danes @isabella @Valena
Actually fairly plausible, and it would mean interesting consequences for her sisters' marriages. The name Henry Frederick is also fairly plausible since her daddy is a Frederick. So the Stuarts have a king Henry Frederick after all hahah
 
Actually fairly plausible, and it would mean interesting consequences for her sisters' marriages. The name Henry Frederick is also fairly plausible since her daddy is a Frederick. So the Stuarts have a king Henry Frederick after all hahah
Definitely, and lol indeed, probably a lot more high church than the original
 
WI All of Henry VII's children survived

Henry VII (1457-1509) m. 1486 Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)

1. Arthur (1486-1550) m. 1501 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536) [a] m. 1536 Madeleine of Valois (1520-1547) with issue by both
2. Margaret (1489-1541) same as IOTL
3. Henry (1491-1547) m. 1507 Margaret of Angouleme (1492-1549) with issue
4. Elizabeth (1492-1545) m. . Christian II of Denmark (1481-1559) with issue
5. Mary (1496-1533) m. Charles Orlando of France (1492-1565) with issue
6. Edmund (1499-1566) m. 1519 Anne Boleyn (1501-1541) m. 1543 Katherine Parr (1512-1548) with issue by both
7. Katherine (1503-1569) m. Charles V (1500-1558) with issue
 
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WI All of Henry VII's children survived

Henry VII (1457-1509) m. 1486 Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)

1. Arthur (1486-1550) m. 1501 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536) [a] m. 1536 Madeleine of Valois (1520-1547) with issue by both
2. Margaret (1489-1541) same as IOTL
3. Henry (1491-1547) m. 1507 Margaret of Angouleme (1492-1549) with issue
4. Elizabeth (1492-1545) m. Charles Orlando of France (1492-1565) with issue
5. Mary (1496-1533) m. Christian II of Denmark (1481-1559) with issue
6. Edmund (1499-1566) m. 1519 Anne Boleyn (1501-1541) m. 1543 Katherine Parr (1512-1548) with issue by both
7. Katherine (1503-1569) m. Charles V (1500-1558) with issue
It would make more sense to switch Elizabeth's and Mary's matches around with regards to the age differences
 
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