Oops.They didn’t have to wait long, as on the next day they were informed about the DoW from the US and quickly negotiated a treaty to allow both sides to use the others ports for resupply and rest, including the part dealing with use of German ships stuck in port to be used as troop transports.
Fair points, I was not aware that even neutrals were cut off at this time, is there a source for that, specifically that Netherlands was cutt off? I'm going under the premise that word through neutral Netherlands, which his how they heard about the battle to begin with. I could modify to reflect this but the delay getting to them has no impact, as the German fleet had already cancelled their plans that led to OTL Jutland until further information could be had on the US stance versus the UK anyways.Oops.
One of the first thing the British did was cut the communication cable between the U.S. and Germany, so that only their side of the war could be heard.
I know Germany still has an Embassy in Washington in this scenario, but, communications would be difficult.
I am pretty sure International Radio News was a not a thing yet.
A nit pick, but, how'd they find out so early?
A couple of days, a week, information from a neutral power, sure, But a day?
Otherwise, love the scenario.
A college military history class (mumble, mumble) years ago.Fair points, I was not aware that even neutrals were cut off at this time, is there a source for that, specifically that Netherlands was cutt off? I'm going under the premise that word through neutral Netherlands, which his how they heard about the battle to begin with. I could modify to reflect this but the delay getting to them has no impact, as the German fleet had already cancelled their plans that led to OTL Jutland until further information could be had on the US stance versus the UK anyways.
No, the US will only be involved during the war. They will, obviously be under the US sphere of influence but the US will not interfere directly in internal politics, Cascadia is their own country. Think more like OTL Canada, just a smaller scale. And this TL Canada will have more interaction due to the security arrangement but will be left mostly alone as long as they don't try to re-establish the UK monarch as head of state, which they wont.So British Columbia is a puppet to the US? You wrote earlier that some Chinese were offered land there, will the US force B.C to take those lands and give them to "deserving" white people?
What if Canada here decides to install its own monarchy? Will the US intervene?No, the US will only be involved during the war. They will, obviously be under the US sphere of influence but the US will not interfere directly in internal politics, Cascadia is their own country. Think more like OTL Canada, just a smaller scale. And this TL Canada will have more interaction due to the security arrangement but will be left mostly alone as long as they don't try to re-establish the UK monarch as head of state, which they wont.
Good Start. For the former Canadian territories and Alaska, also remember there are two semi-autonomous zones for Native Peoples, one in Northern Alaska and the other in what is the states of Mackenzie and Saskatchewan.
This is a pre-war map, so Saskatchewan+MacKenzie aren't states yet. I'll add the autonomous zones and put the soon-too-be-states into territories.Good Start. For the former Canadian territories and Alaska, also remember there are two semi-autonomous zones for Native Peoples, one in Northern Alaska and the other in what is the states of Mackenzie and Saskatchewan.
Actually it most likely ends up the largest, I'm about to post the final chapter that explains why, thanks to a mix of peace treaties and post war countries falling a apart.Would I be correct in assuming the United States ITTL will be at least the second largest country on Earth, in terms of area?
why I haven't seen this earlier ( I am interested in the second great war and the subsequent events like the dawn of republicanism in Britain during the 60s
Chapter 12: War and Peace
After hearing of the initial successes of the Battle of Dover and Battle of Dogger Bank, the US government decided it was time to restore communications and began patching cut telegraph cables, planning on laying out new one's post war to prevent a single point of failure (especially from a security perspective). By the time the first cables were confirmed up and working again with their patches in place, the government in London had seen enough. Many were shell-shocked, never having imagined their Royal Navy being thrashed like it was, most certainly not by a German Empire with no real naval heritage. After hearing of further losses in the Caribbean and seeing a growing Irish Revolt nearby, the United Kingdom sent out a request for an Armistice over the newly repaired cables on August 19th. This did not stop the war with the Central Powers for the rest of the Entente but the writing was on the wall, so the rest of the Entente, including the Russian Provisional government all agreed to an Armistice a week later on August 26th, 1917. Prior to a meeting taking pace, the US made it clear it would help Germany negotiate it’s part with the understanding that the US did not want the UK economically destroyed as that would cause economic chaos but they were open to territorial concessions forced on them. As for the United States they would have a separate treaty, though Free Irish delegates would be present as the United States would be honoring its promises to the Irish Regiment and would ensure a united and free Ireland.
Wanting to emphasize the point about its neutrality being violated, the United States insisted on holding peace talks at the Royal Palace of Amsterdam. While the delegates were setting up shop, all armed forces were ordered to stand down but maintain readiness should hostilities resume and maintain their current locations. This had the effect of helping to relieve the growing hunger crisis in the Central Powers territories as the US and other neutrals were finally able to get significant amounts of food through. On Monday, October 19th, 1917, the conference began between the US, Ireland, Guatemala and the UK with German, Austro-Hungarian, and Ottoman delegates simply as witnesses for this stage of negotiations of what would be the First Treaty of Amsterdam.
The United States was surprisingly light on the financial aspects, only asking for enough reparations to cover the cost of what the United States had just paid earlier that year to acquire the Danish East Indies, now referred to as the US Virgin Islands. The US talked the Dutch (re: threatened AN#1) into selling at $25 Million in US dollars, so with the peace treaty they essentially walk away with the Virgin Islands without paying a dime.
Other Key points would include the following;
The First Treaty of Amsterdam was signed on October 27th, it would be ratified by the Senate by near unanimous vote. Only 4 voted against and that was because they wanted more reparations. The Republic of Ireland was officially recognized, however, to honor the US help in getting its freedom it chose July 12th, the day the Irish Regiment landed, as its Independence Day. While tensions have eased in the United Kingdom, there is still a strong dislike for America in all the colonies that remained post war, with the exception of India. With many Indian's crediting the US peace treaty with their improved treatment and Dominion status post war before finally going fully independent in 1968.
- The UK would officially cede British Honduras to Guatemala and renounce all claims to it. The US would also help provide grants to Guatemala as part of coming into the war that was used to help modernize infrastructure and help connect its new land. It's largely credited with stabilizing the country until civil war broke out in the 1960s.
- The UK would recognize a free and fully united Irish Republic, agreeing to take on any refugees who do not wish to live under Irish Republican rule. (As a side note, more than 1 million North Irish would leave, with nearly 200,000 settling in former German Southwest Africa, now part of the Union of South Africa)
- The UK would cede all islands in the Caribbean, as well as Bermuda, to the United States. This effectively turned the Caribbean into a US lake.
- British Guiana would be recognized as a US protectorate, becoming independent in 1933 as Guyana ( a close friend to the US thanks to their support for Independence)
- UK would cede all islands they claim east of the Solomons in the Pacific to the US. (The Germans would give the US German Samoa as part of debt reduction post war)
- The UK would recognize the fully independent Republic of Cascadia and independent Canada (later Canadian Confederation) with Newfoundland now a part of Canada.
- The UK would recognize New Zealand as a United States protectorate (It would be granted full independence after the Second Great War essentially operating as a commonwealth until then but maintains close ties to the US to this day)
- The UK would recognize a fully independent Australia, with Australia now a republic with the Royals no longer heads of state. Though US occupation would be agreed to for a period of one year in its main cities. Surprisingly, there was not much bitterness between the two nations, and much like New Zealand would remain close friends with the United States. This includes West Australia which seceded in the 1930s. In fact, there was more anger at the UK for the high death rate among ANZAC forces compared to the other UK and Dominion forces.
- The United Kingdom would hold a plebiscite in India with two options; Dominion status or Independence, no later than 1925. (The US was surprised when in 1924, the vote went 55% for Dominion status. Most believe this is due to the loss of so many territories forcing Great Britain to dramatically improve investment into India and better treatment for its citizens. This also is attributed to keeping India together and avoiding partition when they gained full independence later on)
- As an interesting side note, due to the growth of automobile usage under US occupation in places like Australia, New Zealand, and Guyana with the US driving on the right side of the road, many former UK possessions now drive on the right like most of the world, while the UK proper and her remaining possessions drive on the left.
The Second Treaty of Amsterdam was a bit harsher but not too terribly considering what the Central Powers originally wanted. Had the US not used its influence to sway the members, it would have been harsher. The US also reminded them they had not technically won on the battlefields in Western Europe yet, so some give and take was needed, though there would be more taking by the Victors. Some key points that the Central Powers, though this does not cover everything as the list would be too long for this chapter;
- Germany would receive the Belgian Congo but would not annex any parts of Belgium in Europe and fully restore their boundaries, however, Belgium would be prevented from building any major fortifications on its border with Germany.
- Germany annexed Luxembourg as a Duchy within the empire.
- Germany would make no claims against France in Europe but France would have to recognize German ownership of Alsace-Lorraine in perpetuity.
- France would cede the land known as French Equatorial Africa in return they would receive Togoland.
- Germany allowed Japan to keep all land they took in the Pacific in exchange for the equivalent of $30 million US dollars.
- Germany would receive Papua from Australia and the rest of the Solomon Islands from the UK. Germany would also receive the Territories of Sarawak, Brunei, and North Borneo.
- Germany would receive North Rhodesia, Nyasaland, Uganda, and British East Africa, in return they would give up German Southwest Africa to the Union of South Africa. This would allow the creation of German Mittleafrika.
- Britain would give up land east of Suez to the Ottomans while the Ottomans took control of the Suez.
- Austria-Hungary would have its annexation of Serbia recognized and would be given Tunisia from France and Libya from Italy, as well as Malta from the UK.
- Ottomans would also receive British and Italian Somaliland, while Eritrea would become an autonomous protectorate. As well as the Dodecanes from Italy.
- All Ottoman debt held by the Entente was to be immediately cleared and the Ottoman Debt clearing house closed. The Turkish Petroleum Company would also be nationalized and any shares owned by British or French companies would revert to the Ottomans and no compensation would be granted to the foreign entities. The United Kingdom, France, Russia and Italy would also pay a combined reparation to them equal to approximately $5 billion in US dollars over a 20-year period. The Ottomans managed to complete their reforms that started prewar, thanks to the removal of debt, reparations, and booming oil income. It is now a major first world economy, the became more secular as the 20th century wore on.
- Germany and Austria-Hungary each would receive the equivalent of $15 billion US dollars from the Entente powers.
- On the Eastern front, Russia was forced to recognize a reformed and independent Poland, a free Baltic States formed as the United Baltic Duchy, and an independent Ukraine. All except Ukraine were German puppets with German born nobility on the throne.
Postwar, things were a little slow picking up, but all the powers adjusted to their changes in position, economic standing, and territorial changes and by mid 1920s the global economy was growing. However, there would end up being a brief French civil war between a far-right party that called themselves National Socialists and communists in the French Commune between 1922 and 1923. Eventually, the National Socialists won with the aid of the German Empire, who did not want a communist country on their border. They had already fought off the Red scare in the Russian Civil war with the help of the United States and Japan, as the AH Empire was too weak to be of any help. The Russian Republic was formed but it too ended up splitting, with the Far Eastern part from the Lena River on East having the remnants of supporters for the Tsar moving out there in a mass migration. Tsar Nicholas, who barely escaped execution by the Reds, pledged his support for the Kingdom of Yakut under his brother, now Tsar Michael I. The former Tsar Nicholas, would see his daughter Maria marry Lord Mountbatten and live her days out in the United Kingdom, furthering the bond between the old Russian royalty and English nobility, though this would cause a temporary strain on relations with the Russian Republic. The relations thawed when the Kingdom of Russia adopted the Yakut name, thus preventing in dispute over land rights and possible resumption of hostilities. (And who wants a land war in Asia? Am I right?). Japan did manage to take full control of Sakhalin during this period and agreed to pay the Kingdom of Yakut for it, wanting to stick it to Russia one more time. Russia still holds a formal complaint over that to this day. The Kingdom of Yakut would eventually partner with Japan to invade Manchuria, splitting it between them in 1933, causing a loss of trade with the US for several years before return just before the Second Great War. One interesting note on this, after the Second Great War a plebiscite was held in both controlled parts of Manchuria. The Japanese saw their part turn independent but the northern part known as Northern Manchuria voted to stay as part of the Kingdom of Yakut. This greatly benefited the Kingdom when oil was found in the 1950s, so much so that Russian immigration picked up and boosted the population, it’s now a modest 55 million by global standards, but much higher than it would have been without Northern Manchuria and its oil. It was so economically successful, that the poorly run Southern Manchuria, trying to hold off Chinese encroachment, held a plebiscite in when 66% voted for annexation into the Kingdom of Yakut in 1969. Not long after joining, the Kingdom found oil in Liaohe.
Austria-Hungary would only last until Hungarian independence when in 1921, when Emperor Charles had announced the creation of the Danubian Federation. There was a brief conflict saw an uprising in Serbia, so Charles agreed to peace with Hungary as long as they renounced all territorial claims outside of Hungary. The Hungarians agreed and then helped Charles put down the Serbian revolt. The Federation would last until the Second Great War when it finally broke into a dozen different pieces.
Italy would follow France with it's own National Socialist uprising, with an upstart named Benito Mussolini taking power in 1924. Italy and France would end up joining forces once again during the Second Great War.
In the US, President Hughes would end up leaving his presidency with the highest approval rating of any modern President, only surpassed by Washington and Lincoln in all of US history. His continued support of reforms started by Teddy Roosevelt and couple with a major war victory, received the rare 2nd term, mid-term election boost. The GOP opened up a Veto proof majority in Congress, though they never needed to override the President as he would always try to work with them and would never publicly oppose a bill if it had broad party support. The only real down part of his second term was the death of this VP, Charles Fairbanks, in 1918. This left the 1920 election wide open though Hiram Johnson would end up winning after earning the Presidents endorsement. Leonard Wood was thought to be in the running for VP but he pushed his support to Hiram’s nomination in return for receiving the Secretary of Defense role, which he served in until his death in 1927. Instead, it was the ticket of Hiram Johnson / Frank Lowden, ensuring GOP dominance until 1932 when a major recession hit in the fall of 1929 before turning into what became the Great Depression when protectionist measures started popping up in multiple countries. This would sow the seeds of the next Great War but that, is another story.
Note: Well, this is the end, I never intended to go past the Great War. Though keep watching the TL, someone has offered to assist in creating a map for me showing the US before war breaks out so I hope to have that in the near future. Thanks to all that have read, my first attempt at a TL, I know it could be better but I feel good about at least getting this earworm done with and written down finally, cheers!
1 - This is how most view the OTL sale of the virgin islands, the US clearly using a fairly obvious language without an actual threat to get them to sell the islands. Pretty much insinuated by the US govt that sell or we take them.