License built copy?

Seems like something that would have been ditched pretty quickly to put more tanks in the field faster.
It's also useless because the T-25 turret IIRC had a loader, and more than enough space to load the shells manually, and those shells are light and small enough to not need loading assistance. Even with a loader, sustained reload time will be shorter than the time required to engage a target (including re-aiming at the same target after a shot). The autoloader doesn't seem to have been ever exploited to reduce turret size.

I'm frankly impressed the Czechs even bothered with this, I can understand that in their Pz 38 (LT Vz. 38) modernisations because they had a two-man small turret with 47 or 57mm guns, but in the T-25?
 
On a general answer.

No the Germans did not forget stormtroop tactics, they just recognised that they did not work led to massive casualties amongst the assault force

For the avoidance of doubt – Stormtroop tactics start with massive artillery barrage. Without that it’s a charge by men with weapons with a range of 0- 50m range into the teeth of unsuppressed machine guns, until the defending guns open up and shred the highly trained and motivated fanatical Stormtroops. I mean shred as in dismember. Easy to find though, if you want to find the stormtrooper I know where he is, I know where he is, I know where he is ………

And then if that works you advance out of the range of guns until you run into the unsuppressed machine guns and so forth until you can bring up the guns.

So they invented the panzer division.

And this is the problem with discussions of rifles in WW2. Don’t matter, the opposing tank will kill you as soon as it shows up and if you are fighting a major enemy a tank will show up. For Germany pre war production of a semi auto is a non starter, given the tactics they wanted out of the infantry squad priority is the MG out of the Army Priority is just about everything else neither of which they manage to do anyway. Later in the war the proliferation of light manportable AT weapons makes this harder but for every anecdote of heroic hitler youth fighters destroying a tank and holding up an advance there are probably 10,000 of small children beinng speedbumps for a Sherman, T34 Cromwell or just dead as the tanks hose down likely ambush points on general principles.

There is nothing wrong with any of the Czech tanks. Except this, the scale production of any variant is the Pz35 and Pz38 which are taken on by the Germans in their entirety everyone else is left with scraps.

The T21 as designed uses a non Italian engine and gun amongst other things so you need to redesign to accommodate the local production. Based on the Turan production you get the beginnings of production in 1940 – well in 1940 the Italians are producing the M13/40 which is broadly comparable with production at scale from Jan 40.

The T25 is proposed first in June 1942 and never goes beyond wooden mockup level – and again how much better is it than the P40. Ofc after 43 Italian armoured support is usually Churchills. The T15 goes further but in 1941 so it’s a light tank with pretty much no advantage over the M13/40 anyway. And not kitted out to operate in the desert.

Mobilising women, non starter see Tooze actually a much higher proportion of the female workforce was employed in German pre war than in either the US or UK. Its just they tend to be employed on small scale farms, or small shop type businesses. The former in particular were essential both ideologically and or food production. By contract the US and UK could mobilise a female workforce because of higher levels of automation in agriculture and because they were using them in largely non physical industrial processes.

The Germans have no issue with slavery and did use Polish POW and French etc both as effectively slave labour (after the establishment of the General Government Polish POW were no longer POW.) or in legitimate POW occupations like logging, farming and mines several million.
 
The source you provided does not list a single confirmed loss to main induction valve or torpedo tube failure!
(Not even by a T-Class, "overdue, presumed lost" and "cause of loss unknown" are just that.)
As usual the references don’t match the rambling

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He should ENDIT
 
Did you even bother reading my point? I said that the Nazis should start training women to replace male workers ASAP, which means starting 1933.
6 years of training should be sufficient for women to replace men completely in many jobs.


"Women would not have mattered." Are you arguing that a woman isn't capable of doing the same factory job as a man because they are a woman? Because that is what you are implying here.
You do realise that the women weren't sitting at home pining for Fritz at the front?
They were basically running the agricultural sector which suffered from a severe lack of mechanisation. Female utilisation rates were higher than in the UK or US.
 
You do realise that the women weren't sitting at home pining for Fritz at the front?
They were basically running the agricultural sector which suffered from a severe lack of mechanisation. Female utilisation rates were higher than in the UK or US.
If the Nazis come to power earlier they should focus on mechanizing agriculture.
After all, tractor factories can be converted to tank factories rather easily. (Red October Tractor factory, Stalingrad)
And it removes all suspicion about rearmament.
 
Agriculture with what oil?
More importantly the farm sizes were too small. You need an agricultural revolution which will devastate rural communities which are key supporters of the Nazi movement. That's what lebensraum is for. More space bigger farms. Look east my boy.
TPTB were not unaware. But it is a Jenga tower that needs to be dismantled carefully.
 
"In 1925, Strachwitz and his family moved from their palace in Groß Stein to their manor in Alt Siedel, because of personal differences with his father, who remained in Groß Stein. Between 1924 and 1933 Strachwitz founded two dairy cooperatives which many local farmers joined. In parallel he studied a few semesters of forestry. He used his knowledge to influence the Silesian forest owners to sell their wood to the paper mills. He continued to use his influence in Upper Silesia to modernize forestry and farming. His ambitions were aided by his presidency of the Forstausschuss (Forestry Committee) of Upper Silesia and his membership in the Landwirtschaftskammer (Chamber of Agriculture).[20] Strachwitz completely took over his father's estate in 1929, first as the General Manager and then as owner, with full responsibility. This made Strachwitz one of the most wealthy land and forest owners in Silesia. Along with the palace in Groß Stein he owned a lime kiln and quarry in Klein Stein—present-day Kamionek—and Groß Stein, a distillery in Groß Stein and Alt Siedel.[21][Note 4]"

Here's a man who had the right idea.
Cooperatives.
Each cooperative would buy farm machinery at a reduced price but it would be shared by the whole cooperative.

Oil is a trickier problem but they could always go with steam.
A steam tractor wouldn't need a drop of oil.
Just coal, which is plentiful in Germany.
The noise though...
 
On the subject of women in Nazi GerMANy

The Nazi's worked very hard to put women in their place - namely restricting them to the 3 k's

Kinder (Children), Kirche (Church), Kuche (Kitchen)

In 1934 - they started making it harder for women to go to University by reducing the places allowed to women and in 1937 girls were no longer allowed a Grammer education or to be taught latin (a pre-requisite for university)

Ultimately women did start to replace men in the workplace as a matter of necessity as the man power pool reached its crisis by 1943 - but the previous 10 years in addition to the brain drain due to the Liberals, Social Democrats and Jews leaving Germany (much to the advantage of the UK and USA), no longer allowed to work as educationalists or by being 'murdered' - had done much to impact the ability for women to step up to the plate like they had done in the UK and USA.

Also the manufacturing methods used by the USA and UK allowed for a relatively unskilled young lady with no letters after her name to 'do her bit' on an otherwise complicated production line through the adoption of large numbers of single use machine tools on a given production run that once setup did not require a skilled artificer to operate.

German production lines by comparison were more likely to utilise fewer machine tools that would serve multiple tasks and required more skilled operators on a given production line.

So why yes - an earlier use of women in the work force should have been a no brainier - that requires far less murderous insane criminals inflicting their bankrupt ideology on the German peoples in the first place.
 
Oil is a trickier problem but they could always go with steam.
A steam tractor wouldn't need a drop of oil.
Just coal, which is plentiful in Germany.
The noise though...
German Tractors were 10-20 years behind what the US was doing, so plenty of room for improvement
Given the tiny size of German farms, 10HP is plenty
You don't need 140HP Monster Steam pulling a 7 man gang plow. What worked in Iowa wasn't needed for the Palatinate

Noise is kind of soothing, than the bark of a diesel.
 
German Tractors were 10-20 years behind what the US was doing, so plenty of room for improvement
Given the tiny size of German farms, 10HP is plenty
You don't need 140HP Monster Steam pulling a 7 man gang plow. What worked in Iowa wasn't needed for the Palatinate

Noise is kind of soothing, than the bark of a diesel.
The problem is that European soils tend to be heavier and wetter, a "Pulling" Tractor doesn't really work under those conditions.
A Ploughing Engine that hauls the plough across a field is better. The drawback being that these are longer and heavier and it really requires two engines to work.
 
The problem is that European soils tend to be heavier and wetter, a "Pulling" Tractor doesn't really work under those conditions.
A Ploughing Engine that hauls the plough across a field is better. The drawback being that these are longer and heavier and it really requires two engines to work.
US has all types of soil

and moisture content


That's one reason that US Ag machinery was so versatile, what worked in New York wasn't the same for Florida, that wasn't the same for California, that was different from Kansas, so tractors and implement manufacturers had to have a large range of gear

BTW, Silty Clay Loam is the best soil, allows drainage, but still retains moisture well

The Vermilion/ Burnt Sienna colors closely matches with the US Midwest/Great Plains for quality
 
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I would think that the first stage for mechanising farms previously worked by horses would be machines like this, with power take offs for other static machinery.

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Ferguson was making tractors with hydraulic 3 point hitches in Britain from 1926. In 1938 Ferguson and Ford has teamed up to make the Ford-Ferguson 9N.
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Pic from Wikipedia.
 
I think you haven’t really gained that much compared to a horse team with this one. Three point hitch is probably the best set up for most European farms IMO.
A lot of farms in the 20's and 30's were little more than small holdings not really able to be worked by much more and still turn a profit after making the payments.
 
I would think that the first stage for mechanising farms previously worked by horses would be machines like this, with power take offs for other static machinery.

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Like the David Bradley Company walk behinds sold by Sears, and then bought out that company in 1910 . by the end of WWII, that division of Sears Roebuck were that largest producer of walk behinds from 1 to 6HP, and small riding tractors on the Planet. By the '60s, most everyone wanted to ride, and not be behind a mechanical horse anymore.

But a good start

the front mount and quick connect PTO allowed a massive number of attachments
moldboard turning and middle plows
disk and spike harrows
planters
interchangeable tool cultivators
hay rake
lawn roller
reel, rotary, and sickle mowers
brush hog
tree saw
dozer blade
snow blower
air compressors
sprayers
generator
grain mill
well pump
riding sulky
utility cart/powered wheelbarrow
And even a washing machine- handy since electrification was late to many rural areas
 
I think you haven’t really gained that much compared to a horse team with this one.
The walk behind can be left in the shed all winter, and no need to feed and water it when not working

Mechanization on US farms freed up 1/3 of the acreage that had been set aside for fodder, and now could be used for crops that could be sold
Far more profitable to buy fuel monthly than have to grow hay and recover straw from the wheat for the draft animals
 
A lot of farms in the 20's and 30's were little more than small holdings not really able to be worked by much more and still turn a profit after making the payments.
Set up a cooperative?
Nazis should have encouraged this, as one of their own had the right idea.
See the wiki page for the Panzergraf.
 
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