Lancastrian Continuity

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Lancastrian continuity

Lancastrian continuity

On 1460, On the Battle of Northhampton, Henry VI was able to flee with his wife Margaret of Anjou and later leave to France in the court of his rival Charles VII, to keep them as guests on their arrival, however due to the stress of the battle, Henry VI would die, Margaret of Anjou would give birth to a daughter named Catherine of Lancaster on her return to France and having two children namely, Edward of Westminister and Catherine of Lancaster would give Margaret of Anjou bargaining chips for the English crown for her husband’s claim.

On 1460, as Edward IV would feel worried about his Lancastrian enemies on the continent and got betrothed immediately and married to Infanta Catarina of Portugal on 1462 who was once betrothed to the Prince of Viana an ally of Charles VII to offset the Lancastrians and another way he was able to offset the lancastrians was on the death of his second wife, the marriage of Margaret of York and Charles the Duke of Charolais would happen on 1464 despite the objections of the French King Charles VII and his son Louis XII and his own father, Philip the Good but Isabella of Portugal was able to convince him of the good that will happen in this marriage.

 

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Children of Infanta Catarina and Edward IV


Elizabeth of York (February 11, 1464)

Edward V of England (November 4, 1465)

Mary of York (August 11, 1467).

Eleanor of York (March 20, 1469)

Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (August 10, 1470)

Margaret of York (April 10 1472).

Anne of York (November 2, 1475)

George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Bedford (March 10, 1476).

Catherine of York (August 14, 1478)

Beatrice of York (November 10, 1480)

 

[jkarr]

So the french king decides to give up lands to the son of the last english king who managed to almost conquer france (and still claims the french crown)?....yea....kinda asb

 

[kasumigenx]

So the french king decides to give up lands to the son of the last english king who managed to almost conquer france (and still claims the french crown)?....yea....kinda asb

That is basically a tactic against the Yorkist who have better claims to France than to the Lancastrians but I doubt that he would really support them in claiming the English crown.

 

[Dr.Evil]

Firstly jkarr is right: Charles VII. would maybe tolerate Henry and Margaret in his domain and maybe he keeps them and enterains them as guests to keep something in hand if Edward IV gets restless. However, I think its interesting that there comes a Portugese alliance to pass. OTL Warwick was for an alliance with France and Edward favoured Burgundy hence the OTL marriage of Margaret and Charles the Bold. The marriage with a Portuguese infanta would probably bring some prestige unto Edward an tie him close to Iberian shenanigans. The question is how does the English nobility (especially the Kingmaker) react to the new queen? This is a royal consort of finest stock so surely she wouldn't antagonize as much as la Woodville. Moreover, does she probablly not have a father from the gentry and a flock of upstart-siblings easing things even more.

 

[kasumigenx]

Firstly jkarr is right: Charles VII. would maybe tolerate Henry and Margaret in his domain and maybe he keeps them and enterains them as guests to keep something in hand if Edward IV gets restless. However, I think its interesting that there comes a Portugese alliance to pass. OTL Warwick was for an alliance with France and Edward favoured Burgundy hence the OTL marriage of Margaret and Charles the Bold. The marriage with a Portuguese infanta would probably bring some prestige unto Edward an tie him close to Iberian shenanigans. The question is how does the English nobility (especially the Kingmaker) react to the new queen? This is a royal consort of finest stock so surely she wouldn't antagonize as much as la Woodville. Moreover, does she probablly not have a father from the gentry and a flock of upstart-siblings easing things even more.

I changed my mind, I will instead keep them as guests but kill Henry VI on the continent.

 

[Dr.Evil]

I changed my mind, I will instead keep them as guests but kill Henry VI on the continent.

This makes things certainly tougher for them as it does not make Edward IV.come across as the murderer of Henry VI. as much as in OTL.
Also Charles VII. probably still dies around 1461 maybe you could push it to 1462 or 63.. I think it would be good to have Louis XI and his wife have a girl at that time. She would basically replace their original daughter Joan (had some deformation in the genital region and couldn't conceive). This girl - mind you a baby - could be dangled like a hook in front of the Lancastrian prince and the Yorkists. I can see Louis easily play both sides, at least for a while promising Edward IV. an alliance and simultaneously encouraging Edward of Westminster to invade.

 

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Reyes Catolicos

On 1469, Isabella would marry Ferdinand of Aragon disguising as a servant after she made her own alibi of going to her brother’s tomb and she would leave to Aragon and would return on 1474 to fight with his niece, Joanna, but Isabella would give birth to a son named Juan on October 2, 1470 which would make a peace settlement by marriage with her enemy-niece Joanna a possibility.

Joanna and Isabella would remain enemies for a time and even engage on a war of succession once Joanna married her own Portuguese uncle marries her in 1474, but Isabella of Castile would have lots of supporters as she had given birth to a son.

 

[kasumigenx]

This makes things certainly tougher for them as it does not make Edward IV.come across as the murderer of Henry VI. as much as in OTL.
Also Charles VII. probably still dies around 1461 maybe you could push it to 1462 or 63.. I think it would be good to have Louis XI and his wife have a girl at that time. She would basically replace their original daughter Joan (had some deformation in the genital region and couldn't conceive). This girl - mind you a baby - could be dangled like a hook in front of the Lancastrian prince and the Yorkists. I can see Louis easily play both sides, at least for a while promising Edward IV. an alliance and simultaneously encouraging Edward of Westminster to invade.

Yes, it is a possibility but I would have the Yorkists ally with Portugal and Burgundy while the Lancastrians get some lands in the Continent, perhaps Naples.

 

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The Flemish – Austrian wedding

Marie of Burgundy was married to Maximilian of Archduke of Austria on May 28, 1473, at the Church in Dijon, she is 15 years old and her husband is thirteen years old, the marriage was done due to the succession of Burgundy was secured due to Marie having three sibling from her step mother, Margaret of York who produced three children, Margaret of Burgundy – May 10, 1465, Philip of Burgundy – May 10, 1470 and another son named Charles of Burgundy December 10, 1471.

The groom was knighted in the wedding and festivities would happen in Burgundy, but Louis XI would be cautious of the marriage between Marie of Burgundy and Archduke Maximilian as it would cause the French and the Burgundians to be further apart and an alliance between the Yorkists and Austria to happen.

Marie of Burgundy provide Maximilian of many children namely, Archduchess Eleanor(May 10, 1476), Archduke Ernest (June 2, 1478), Archduke Margaret(February 2, 1480), Archduke Charles(June 4, 1484) but the pregnancies would take a toll on her health and she would die a few months after the birth of Archduke Charles.

 

[isabella]

Firstly jkarr is right: Charles VII. would maybe tolerate Henry and Margaret in his domain and maybe he keeps them and enterains them as guests to keep something in hand if Edward IV gets restless. However, I think its interesting that there comes a Portugese alliance to pass. OTL Warwick was for an alliance with France and Edward favoured Burgundy hence the OTL marriage of Margaret and Charles the Bold. The marriage with a Portuguese infanta would probably bring some prestige unto Edward an tie him close to Iberian shenanigans. The question is how does the English nobility (especially the Kingmaker) react to the new queen? This is a royal consort of finest stock so surely she wouldn't antagonize as much as la Woodville. Moreover, does she probablly not have a father from the gentry and a flock of upstart-siblings easing things even more.

The Infanta of Portugal would bring also a lot of legitimate Lancastrian blood in the veins of her children. In OTL they had some from Cecily Neville’s Beaufort mother but here Edward V of England would have the best English Lancastrian claim after Henry IV’s children...

 

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Juana of Castile

The War of the Castilian Succession, more accurately referred to as “Second War of Castilian Succession” or Simply “War of Henry IV’s Succession” to avoid confusion with other Castilian Succession wars, it was the the military conflict that happened between 1475 for the succession of the Crown of Castile fought between the allies of Joanna of Castile, reputed daughter of the late monarch Henry IV of Castile, and those of Henry’s half-sister, Isabella, who was ultimately successful.

The war had a marked international character, as Isabella was married to Ferdinand, the heir of the crown of Aragon while Joanna was betrothed to King Afonso V of Portugal, her Uncle, after the suggestion of her supporters.

Despite the initial success of the supporters of Joanna, a lack of military aggressiveness by Afonso V and the stalement in the Battle of Toro led to the disintegration of Joanna’s alliance and the recognition of Isabella in the Courts of Madrigal-Segovia in April-October 1476, Ferdinand and Isabella hailed the result as a great victory and called courts at Madrigal. The Newly gained prestige was used to win municipal support from their allies.

The war concluded in 1479 with the Treaty of Alcáçovas, which recognized Isabella and Ferdinand as sovereigns of Castile and granted Portugal hegemony in the Atlantic, except for the Canary Islands. Joanna is betrothed to and later married to Juan of Aragon according to the treaty and the betrothal between Isabella of Aragon and Infante Alfonso and she would give up her rights to the Crown of Castile for herself.

 

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Revival of Majapahit

Emperor Ranawijaya, Brawijaya VI would continue to rule Majapahit and have many children with his wife that he picked despite the attempts of his treacherous general, Prabu Udara due to the loyalty of his other generals, Brawijaya VI would ally with his vassal, the ruler of Tondo against Bolkiah of Brunei and the troops of Majapahit itself would help the ruler of Tondo defeating his enemy Bolkiah and chose Dayang Kaylangitan, its ruler’s child as one of his other wives, Emperor Brawijaya’s troops would defeat Bolkiah in hand battle in Sarawak which would help defend his wife’s lands revitalizing Majapahit for a century after the succession issues with Demak and he would put Demak in its rightful place which is that it is the vassal of Majapahit and not the main Majapahit Empire itself, the issue of the marriage of Dayang Kaylangitan would be solved and it would be himself marrying her causing her to found a new cadet lineage of Majapahit in the island.

The Bruneian Empire’s defeat on the hands of the armies of Brawijaya VI would cement the power balance in the Malay Archipelago and would give the Majapahit Empire a life of 100 years more.

Brawijaya VI would continue the Trade of Ryukyu and Majapahit and reinvigorate the trading route of Majapahit and Ryukyu as well as Japan would continue the tight control of the Majapahit on the land of Saludong which started on the 14th century.

 

[isabella]

Children of the Catholic Monarchs

Juan (October 2, 1470) married to Joanna of Castile, his cousin once removed

Isabella of Aragon (May 10, 1472) married to Alfonso VI of Portugal

Beatrice of Aragon (June 10, 1474) married to Philip IV of Burgundy

Ferdinand (June 30, 1478) ?

Joanna (November 6, 1479) Edward V of England

Maria (June 29, 1482) ?

Catherine (December 16, 1485) ?

The OTL Beltraneja is Juan’s first cousin as her father was Isabella’s half-brother

 

[kasumigenx]

The OTL Beltraneja is Juan’s first cousin as her father was Isabella’s half-brother

Yes...although we would have a problem of inbreeding with them..

 

[isabella]

Yes...although we would have a problem of inbreeding with them..

Inbreeding? In the Iberian kingdoms? Juan and Juana is a pretty normal wedding for that place and times....

 

[Avrorrange]

@kasumigenx

I think a more plausible thing would be for Edward of Westminster to get a share of his maternal grandfather’s lands rather than given Aquitaine.

 

[kasumigenx]

@kasumigenx

I think a more plausible thing would be for Edward of Westminster to get a share of his maternal grandfather’s lands rather than given Aquitaine.

Perhaps we could have him as the compromise king in Naples.

 

[Avrorrange]

Perhaps we could have him as the compromise king in Naples.

I meant Provence. IOTL,his maternal grandfather willed Anjou and Provence to his nephew. With the survival of his other grandson however, he might grant a place a Provence to his grandson instead.

 

[isabella]

The Flemish – Austrian wedding

Marie of Burgundy was married to Maximilian of Archduke of Austria on May 28, 1473, at the Church in Dijon, she is 15 years old and her husband is thirteen years old, the marriage was done due to the succession of Burgundy was secured due to Marie having three sibling from her step mother, Margaret of York who produced three children, Margaret of Burgundy – May 10, 1465, Philip of Burgundy – May 10, 1470 and another son named Charles of Burgundy December 10, 1471.

The groom was knighted in the wedding and festivities would happen in Burgundy, but Louis XI would be cautious of the marriage between Marie of Burgundy and Archduke Maximilian as it would cause the French and the Burgundians to be further apart and an alliance between the Yorkists and Austria to happen.

Marie of Burgundy provide Maximilian of many children namely, Archduchess Eleanor(May 10, 1476), Archduke Frederick(June 2, 1478), Archduke Margaret(February 2, 1480), Archduke Charles(June 4, 1484) but the pregnancies would take a toll on her health and she would die a few months after the birth of Archduke Charles.

Maximilian and his father here have a much better relation than OTL (where they pretty much despised each other)? If not I would call the children Eleanor, Ernest (after Frederick’s father), Isabelle (after Mary’s mother and grandmother) and Charles...