I appreciate all the input from everyone. I think in the interest of keeping the focus tight, I’m going to minimize the butterflies north of the Alps. There may be some changes here or there, but the trajectory of the WotAS in the north is going to remain essentially the same, excepting anything which I deem to be directly affected by changes already made (which is quite possible given how much the Italian theater has already been altered).
This means that Prussia is likely to “win” (in the sense of keeping Silesia), Karl VII will die more or less on time, and Franz Stefan will be the next emperor. It does not, however, guarantee other outcomes of the war relating to Italy (e.g. Genoa keeping Finale, Don Felipe getting Parma), nor those outcomes that were the product of overall peace negotiations (e.g. Britain returning Louisbourg to France in exchange for Madras, Spain returning Britain’s Asiento trading privileges). These things may still happen but may also be averted if the changing course of the war in Italy pulls the belligerent parties in a different direction.
The only other person who was proposed as a candidate was Friedrich Augustus, Elector of Saxony and King of Poland. After Max III made peace with Vienna, the French tried to convince Augustus to stand for election as a last-ditch attempt to stop the Habsburgs from regaining the empire. But Augustus didn’t really want the empire - he saw what happened to poor Karl Albrecht - and since late 1744 he had been on the side of Austria fighting against Prussia. He must have known that it was not possible to both be Maria Theresa’s ally and actively campaign against her husband for the imperial crown.
It’s possible that Augustus might have eventually come around with the right inducements, but because d’Argenson (France’s foreign minister) believed that a French invasion of Germany would hurt rather than help his prospects, the French army of the Rhine basically sat around and did nothing through most of 1745 as the Austrians gathered support for Franz Stefan. Augustus publicly took a neutral position, saying that he would not refuse the crown if it was offered to him but would not seek it either, and indeed he made no effort to gain support for himself or to obstruct the Austrians. In the end he voted for Franz Stefan (as did all the electors except Friedrich of Prussia and Karl Theodore of the Palatinate, who both abstained). That France had no good candidate is underlined the fact that, in his desperation, d’Argenson actually suggested that perhaps the Empire might elect nobody as emperor and turn into some sort of German feudal republic. (D’Argenson was a bit eccentric.)
Once Max defected and made peace with the Austrians, Maria Theresa had a formidable voting bloc. Bohemia’s vote was hers, Hanover’s vote was assured, Saxony’s vote was similarly likely since Augustus was her ally, and her treaty with Max promised her the Wittelsbach votes of Bavaria and Cologne. That’s a majority right there. The only really plausible way to keep the Habsburgs from getting the empire back was to prevent Max’s defection, which the French did not move swiftly enough to accomplish. After the Treaty of Füssen, avoiding Emperor Franz becomes extremely difficult.
At the time of his coronation in early 1742 he was said to have been “terribly ill with gout,” so that problem at least was longstanding, and it seems to have been the source of most of his symptoms. (He suffered from kidney stones, for instance, which are also a result of gout.) The nature of gout is to be intermittent, and indeed Karl Albrecht appears to have had a sudden and violent attack of it just two days before he died. But gout isn’t actually fatal; it causes and complicates other conditions like diabetes, kidney damage, hypertension, and high cholesterol, which can themselves be fatal, but gout can’t actually kill you on its own.
I’m no forensic pathologist, but if I had to guess, Karl Albrecht died of heart disease exacerbated by complications from untreated gout. Before his death he had complained of shortness of breath and indigestion, both common indicators of heart failure (which causes chest pain sometimes mistaken for indigestion). The autopsy showed lesions on his heart, among other organs. While it’s possible that the attack that killed him could have happened earlier or later, or that he could have survived that particular episode, his condition may have grown too advanced for a real “rally” to be possible. Any cardiologists among us, however, are welcome to correct me…
I hadn’t really considered it. That may happen eventually, although I don’t see any particular reason why the present several-months-per-chapter pace of this TL would change much post-independence.
There may be more thematic chapters in peacetime, by which I mean chapters focused on a particular topic in a period of months/years like foreign relations, internal politics, agriculture, taxation, Theodore’s relations with the Church, and so on.
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This means that Prussia is likely to “win” (in the sense of keeping Silesia), Karl VII will die more or less on time, and Franz Stefan will be the next emperor. It does not, however, guarantee other outcomes of the war relating to Italy (e.g. Genoa keeping Finale, Don Felipe getting Parma), nor those outcomes that were the product of overall peace negotiations (e.g. Britain returning Louisbourg to France in exchange for Madras, Spain returning Britain’s Asiento trading privileges). These things may still happen but may also be averted if the changing course of the war in Italy pulls the belligerent parties in a different direction.
Hell, seeing the Habsburg power effectively broken, even if they are still fighting for their lives, is it possible the electors just go open field and elect someone not Max or Franz in this scenario?
The only other person who was proposed as a candidate was Friedrich Augustus, Elector of Saxony and King of Poland. After Max III made peace with Vienna, the French tried to convince Augustus to stand for election as a last-ditch attempt to stop the Habsburgs from regaining the empire. But Augustus didn’t really want the empire - he saw what happened to poor Karl Albrecht - and since late 1744 he had been on the side of Austria fighting against Prussia. He must have known that it was not possible to both be Maria Theresa’s ally and actively campaign against her husband for the imperial crown.
It’s possible that Augustus might have eventually come around with the right inducements, but because d’Argenson (France’s foreign minister) believed that a French invasion of Germany would hurt rather than help his prospects, the French army of the Rhine basically sat around and did nothing through most of 1745 as the Austrians gathered support for Franz Stefan. Augustus publicly took a neutral position, saying that he would not refuse the crown if it was offered to him but would not seek it either, and indeed he made no effort to gain support for himself or to obstruct the Austrians. In the end he voted for Franz Stefan (as did all the electors except Friedrich of Prussia and Karl Theodore of the Palatinate, who both abstained). That France had no good candidate is underlined the fact that, in his desperation, d’Argenson actually suggested that perhaps the Empire might elect nobody as emperor and turn into some sort of German feudal republic. (D’Argenson was a bit eccentric.)
Once Max defected and made peace with the Austrians, Maria Theresa had a formidable voting bloc. Bohemia’s vote was hers, Hanover’s vote was assured, Saxony’s vote was similarly likely since Augustus was her ally, and her treaty with Max promised her the Wittelsbach votes of Bavaria and Cologne. That’s a majority right there. The only really plausible way to keep the Habsburgs from getting the empire back was to prevent Max’s defection, which the French did not move swiftly enough to accomplish. After the Treaty of Füssen, avoiding Emperor Franz becomes extremely difficult.
Is there any information on how probable Karl Albrecht's OTL death at that specific date and time was? Like has he survived similar or more severe bouts prior to that collapse? Did he arrive immediately at death's door or was it a prolonged affair with the option of a rally?
At the time of his coronation in early 1742 he was said to have been “terribly ill with gout,” so that problem at least was longstanding, and it seems to have been the source of most of his symptoms. (He suffered from kidney stones, for instance, which are also a result of gout.) The nature of gout is to be intermittent, and indeed Karl Albrecht appears to have had a sudden and violent attack of it just two days before he died. But gout isn’t actually fatal; it causes and complicates other conditions like diabetes, kidney damage, hypertension, and high cholesterol, which can themselves be fatal, but gout can’t actually kill you on its own.
I’m no forensic pathologist, but if I had to guess, Karl Albrecht died of heart disease exacerbated by complications from untreated gout. Before his death he had complained of shortness of breath and indigestion, both common indicators of heart failure (which causes chest pain sometimes mistaken for indigestion). The autopsy showed lesions on his heart, among other organs. While it’s possible that the attack that killed him could have happened earlier or later, or that he could have survived that particular episode, his condition may have grown too advanced for a real “rally” to be possible. Any cardiologists among us, however, are welcome to correct me…
For example, were you planning to take a break from this great story once the WoAS was over and Theodore finally achieved sovereignty for his kingdom; or, along that same vein, to switch the "pace" of this TL and cover more picture stuff with several years a post?
I hadn’t really considered it. That may happen eventually, although I don’t see any particular reason why the present several-months-per-chapter pace of this TL would change much post-independence.
There may be more thematic chapters in peacetime, by which I mean chapters focused on a particular topic in a period of months/years like foreign relations, internal politics, agriculture, taxation, Theodore’s relations with the Church, and so on.
You know if Hitler ends up speaking with Theodore the Xth for example (obviously Carp wouldn't write that but you get the point).
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