"If They Want It They Can Have It": Ulster's Tragedy.

Indeed.

And that's after the John Carthy lessons.

 
No one ever does in a scenario like this. Not usually.
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Big Ian with his flair for the dramatic could open his churches and offer a safe haven to nationalist refugees to protect them from the mobs and police.
Big Ian playing the role of the good Samaritan/Oskar Schindler and the only politician that the British government t will be able to do business with after the conflict is over.
Big Ian makes a speech that unionists did not fight Nazi Germany only to repeat the worst excess of the Nazi on the Catholic people of Ulster.
No to the holocaust in Ulster. Never again. Never! Never!..
Nobel peace prize for Big Ian?
A humanitarian/Christian gesture or a shrewd political move? or maybe both.
Holy cats would He be smart enough to do that? That just might work.
 
Yes, he would.
Hmm...

"The bastard, the bastard! Faulkner's words rang around the cabinet room at Stormont. He had just heard that piece of fucking shit Paisley announce on BBC Radio Ulster being cheered to the rafters by nationalists after he and his church had stepped in to protect Catholics from loyalists!

He stormed around the room watched by his 'cabinet' John Taylor the 'minister for justice' held his head in his hands and muttered to himself whilst David Trimble of Vanguard shook his head.

"Its over, we're fucked" Said Faulkner.

"There has to be something we can do" said Taylor"

"What can we do. They're treating Paisley like the second coming. I can see the headlines tomorrow. Ulster's Schindler, that what they'll call him...go. Get as far away from here as possible"

"Where?" said Trimble

Anywhere, Liverpool, Glasgow. Walk, swim, run I don't care, we can't stay here. London will want our blood, Dublin will want our blood, that bunch of two-faced cunts will want our blood..."

There was a knock on the door

"What!"

A man entered the room

"Mr Faulkner...There's, there's"

"There's a what?"

"There's a mob, they've burst through the security and are heading this way"

Faulkner raced to the window. He saw cars, trucks, tractors ands people, hundreds of people waving the union flag heading down the long road towards Stormont...
 

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Ahh. quite a difference......the guy at the gate looks to be quite interested in his phone
He is receiving his orders for the Revolution. Or he may be ordering a spice bag for delivery. Either way, its quite important.
 
They are carrying the Union flag.
If they were UDI supporters they would be carrying the Ulster flag with the red hand.
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Rhodesia is about the only place I think that will take them.
 
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Only Nixon can go to China indeed!
I said that in the Univerity of Ulster when Arafat and Rabin shook hands in the rose garden.
I said the DUP and Sinn Fein would do a deal in the next ten years. Paisley and Adams.I go that wrong, it was Paisley and McGuiness.
I was told I did not know what I was talking about.
 
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Ian Paisley Time man of the year?
Now even Catholics will vote from him.
DUP and Ian Paisley top the poll at the next election.
All the king's horse and all the King's men...
Hunted down Brian Faulkner and co.
Brian Faulkner and co leave the country faster than James II after the battle of Boyne.
 
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Could someone give an explanation of the story? I enjoyed read it, but I am a bit uncertain what exactly is happening (I don't know many of the people in this). What caused to the Troubles to get turned up to 11, and which side's radicals are causing most of the issues now?
 
I said that in the Univerity of Ulster when Arafat and Rabin shook hands in the rose garden.
I said the DUP and Sinn Fein would do a deal in the next ten years. Paisley and Adams.I go that wrong, it was Paisley and McGuiness.
I was told I did not know what I was talking about.
Great thinkers are often attacked! Its to your credit, that you think ahead
 

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Hmm...

"The bastard, the bastard! Faulkner's words rang around the cabinet room at Stormont. He had just heard that piece of fucking shit Paisley announce on BBC Radio Ulster being cheered to the rafters by nationalists after he and his church had stepped in to protect Catholics from loyalists!

He stormed around the room watched by his 'cabinet' John Taylor the 'minister for justice' held his head in his hands and muttered to himself whilst David Trimble of Vanguard shook his head.

"Its over, we're fucked" Said Faulkner.

"There has to be something we can do" said Taylor"

"What can we do. They're treating Paisley like the second coming. I can see the headlines tomorrow. Ulster's Schindler, that what they'll call him...go. Get as far away from here as possible"

"Where?" said Trimble

Anywhere, Liverpool, Glasgow. Walk, swim, run I don't care, we can't stay here. London will want our blood, Dublin will want our blood, that bunch of two-faced cunts will want our blood..."

There was a knock on the door

"What!"

A man entered the room

"Mr Faulkner...There's, there's"

"There's a what?"

"There's a mob, they've burst through the security and are heading this way"

Faulkner raced to the window. He saw cars, trucks, tractors ands people, hundreds of people waving the union flag heading down the long road towards Stormont...
Are there torches?

There should be torches!
 
Or at least pitchforks.
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I'm just glad there's no Armalites and other firearms.

Could someone give an explanation of the story? I enjoyed read it, but I am a bit uncertain what exactly is happening (I don't know many of the people in this). What caused to the Troubles to get turned up to 11, and which side's radicals are causing most of the issues now?
Northern Ireland declared Independence from the UK. As in, they're now their own country.

Meaning naturally, everyone Catholic up there suddenly is in fear of their lives, and were "encouraged" to go south by the Loyalists rampaging.

The Republic calls for the UN to intervene while moving the army to the border and doing some mischief over said border. Problem is, NI going independent basically takes NI's economy out behind a woodshed for a Old Yeller. And I suspect the angry mob has just realized that, and oh look, the idiots in charge who declared independence are right there.
 
Northern Ireland declared Independence from the UK. As in, they're now their own country.

Meaning naturally, everyone Catholic up there suddenly is in fear of their lives, and were "encouraged" to go south by the Loyalists rampaging.

The Republic calls for the UN to intervene while moving the army to the border and doing some mischief over said border. Problem is, NI going independent basically takes NI's economy out behind a woodshed for a Old Yeller. And I suspect the angry mob has just realized that, and oh look, the idiots in charge who declared independence are right there.
Thanks. Why did they declare independence?
I was under the impression that the UK Prime Minister would be fine with them being in Ireland, and so had given them over somehow, which the rest of the UK didn't want, and the Ulster clique was fighting against.
 
Thanks. Why did they declare independence?
I was under the impression that the UK Prime Minister would be fine with them being in Ireland, and so had given them over somehow, which the rest of the UK didn't want, and the Ulster clique was fighting against.
Frustration at not being taken seriously by Westminster and the loss of the devolved government and direct rule from London.
Not cracking down on republicans hard enough.
 
Thanks. Why did they declare independence?
I was under the impression that the UK Prime Minister would be fine with them being in Ireland, and so had given them over somehow, which the rest of the UK didn't want, and the Ulster clique was fighting against.
Essentially a snap reaction to the imposition of Direct Rule from Westminster. Abolishing the local government, which had some (most?) of the powers of a US state. Without the same level of legal oversight by the federal government, Congress and federal courts.

So a little fiefdom where the representatives of the Protestant, Unionist, community could discriminate "legally" against the minority Catholic and Irish Nationalists. Also using their control of the paramilitary police force and "Loyalist" mobs to suppress demands for Civil Rights and parity of Esteem. Civil Rights marches, modelled explicitly on the US pattern, were attacked by mobs while the RUC (police) stood by or joined in.

The NI government had been unwilling to suppress riots against Catholics in 1969. which had killed some and driven many hundreds out of their homes. So the UK government had to insist that regular British troops be used and to some extent controlled their activities. Which initially were resented more by Loyalists who found their sports of harassing or murdering Catholics made more difficult.

However, Tthe IRA rebuilt itself after the humiliation of being unable to defend Catholic community in 1969 and stirred up violence against both the troops and Unionists. The latter responding in kind of course.

By March 1972 the government at Stormont had lost the confidence of both communities And the central government at Westminster. Plus the violence from all sides had got out of control. So the UK government suspended the operation of Stormont and took direct control of the territory's administration.*

The POD is that rather than grumbling but acquiescing in this move, the Stormont leaders declare UDI. And whip up a campaign of intimidation to ethnically cleanse Northern Ireland of their enemies.

An almost ASB level of implausibility but a fascinating debacle to read about. From a safe distance in Time and Space, not fun for those living there or on peacekeeping duty in the British armed forces.

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* which shows the vast difference between a federal nation with a codified constitution and the UK with its uncodified constitution and doctrine of unlimited power for "The Crown in Parliament". Could Eisenhower have taken control of a State from its Governor and State Congress to enforce desegregation?
 
So what happens now.
How many people have been driven for their homes?
Will people feel safe returning to their homes?
Has Northern Ireland been defacto repartitioned?

In 1994, the Ulster Defense Association, a loyalist terror group, proposed this plan for a repartition of Northern Ireland. The green area represents core territory to be retained, while the red and blue are possible additions. Ethnic cleansing would be used to avoid future demographic changes.​


r/MapPorn - In 1994, the Ulster Defense Association, a loyalist terror group, proposed this plan for a repartition of Northern Ireland. The green area represents core territory to be retained, while the red and blue are possible additions. Ethnic cleansing would be used to avoid future demographic …

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So what happens now.
How many people have been driven for their homes?
Will people feel safe returning to their homes?
Has Northern Ireland been defacto repartitioned?

In 1994, the Ulster Defense Association, a loyalist terror group, proposed this plan for a repartition of Northern Ireland. The green area represents core territory to be retained, while the red and blue are possible additions. Ethnic cleansing would be used to avoid future demographic changes.​


r/MapPorn - In 1994, the Ulster Defense Association, a loyalist terror group, proposed this plan for a repartition of Northern Ireland. The green area represents core territory to be retained, while the red and blue are possible additions. Ethnic cleansing would be used to avoid future demographic …

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Just the fact that they want to hold on to Londonderry (70%+ Catholic) and Omagh (also 70%+) illustrates just who much of a really (even for the UDA) REALLY bad Idea this was. The map doesn't have enough detail to be sure, but it looks line they actually used the River Foyle (which runs through the center of town) as the border. Pretty much a transparent attempt to hold onto whatever is at least somewhat economically viable and pretend it is "being reasonable". It would also, fairly obviously, have resulted in massive ethnic cleansing to "purify" the retained regions, since that would be the only way to create a rock solid Protestant majority. That's the problem with try to carve out a supermajority in an area that is effectively equally divided.

The second map remains me of some of the trial balloons floated by group who were trying desperately to "save" Afrikaner Rule over part of South Africa where they created a "White" enclave surrounding Capetown and most of the Horn Coast (whether Pretoria would remain in Afrikaner hand with a "Danzig Corridor" connecting it the rest of the Boer State depended on just how desperate the people pushing the idea were to save something).
 
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