What would be the countries they split into, how much longer will they last before falling apart, what would the borders look like, What impact would this have on the rest of the world?
How would the Ottomans and Austria Hungary collapse after WW1 in a Central Powers Victory?
All of this depends on the nature of the peace and the war that preceded it; they could very easily not split up.
There's been a lot of good discussion on this topic on here in the past... the consensus seems to be, that in the event of an early CP victory (well before the 1918 of OTL), that the likelihood of either fragmenting completely is rather small.
The longer the war drags on, up to our 1918 or even beyond, the greater the chances of the "centrifugal force" of various nationalisms, spurred on by Entente propaganda and promises, tearing both apart....
It is, of course, possible to "win the war yet lose the peace..."
Before the war Austria was fairly stable though Hungary was not. If the victory comes late; I'd guess Hungary would collapse. As for Austria, I think that wouldn't just depend on rebellions but also on strength or weakness of pan-Germanism as a political force.
What does "collapse" mean? Is it brought back under direct rule from Vienna, reverting to pre-1867?
The Austrian part of the Empire was starving by the end of war. The traditional authorities of the Hapsburg Realm, the Army and the Bureaucracy, have been so discredited by this major and battle field failures it would be difficult for them to keep control of the empire no matter what.
Their could be food riots that make Charles and his family flee from Vienna to other parts of Empire, Prague or Budapest. Without the Emperor in place the Bureaucracy would loses any remaining authority and who knows what would happen after that.
Their could be food riots that make Charles and his family flee from Vienna to other parts of Empire, Prague or Budapest. Without the Emperor in place the Bureaucracy would loses any remaining authority and who knows what would happen after that.
Grey Wolf
Donor
Well, you are kind of ignoring the fact that they just WON.
One assumes that this victory keeps what they already achieved with Brest-Litovsk, and of course opens up international free trade once again. Food is coming.
A dissolution in peace is vastly different than one as a loser at the table where you're supposed to just put your sign on the line under all the demands.
Can't say much about Hungary but for Austria this would mean that all of South Tyrol and the Sudetenland stay, that was the claim and position of Vienna after the lost war, in vicory it will not be an less. Czechia could easily end up as Prague the city state fully surrounded by Austria, good chance that Slovakia is partitioned with Hungary and Ukraine, good chance that Slovenia stays after souring on the idea of a Yugoslavia and one too many threats by an Italy drunk on a stab in the back myth instead of the myth of the mutilated victory etc.
Can't say much about Hungary but for Austria this would mean that all of South Tyrol and the Sudetenland stay, that was the claim and position of Vienna after the lost war, in vicory it will not be an less. Czechia could easily end up as Prague the city state fully surrounded by Austria, good chance that Slovakia is partitioned with Hungary and Ukraine, good chance that Slovenia stays after souring on the idea of a Yugoslavia and one too many threats by an Italy drunk on a stab in the back myth instead of the myth of the mutilated victory etc.
The food situation isn't going to get better just because a peace is made. It will make it easier to allievate but nothing is guaranteed. Look at the first Brest-Litovsk peace treaty they signed on the 9 Feb 1918. Ukrainian People's Republic was given land and recongizition in the hope of getting Ukrainian grain which never came in.
Depending on how the Wester front ends the blockades might still be in force until the last peace treaty is signed or the Western Entente refuses to allow the Central Powers back on the Internation Food Market, which is really the US.
Peace does not mean that the food situation solves itself out.
Grey Wolf
Donor
A victorious peace does.
There won't be any availability of the Entente to prevent the immediate resumption of trade. That's called being defeated.
South American countries will be straining at the leash to get exports to the Central Powers - they won, they have credit. In fact, Britain and France may face complete food disaster, their credit has crashed in defeat, their exchequers are in a disastrous position, and their trading partners are now looking to those whose credit is good.
OP, I already made a thread asking the same thing two years ago, I do not want to disencourage activity on your thread, just saying that you should check it out to see what has already been said in there.
Borders of post-collapse Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Empire in a Central Powers victory world
Everyone always say that even in a Central Powers victory world, the A-H and the Ottoman Empires would still have collapsed either way, but how would this collapse be, how would different would their borders be from OTL, and what would their splinter nations look like? since afterall the Entente...
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Austria-Hungary was typically a net food exporter prior to the war, it was the mobilization of farmers for the war that lead to it being unable to feed itself during the war. The blockade would still be felt as certain foodstuffs like coffee (for which a number of very gross sounding substitutes were made during the war) weren't produced domestically but the issue of starvation should be largely resolved by simple demobilization.
Yugoslavia would look different. Larger parts of the state IOTL (parts of Macedonia and Vojvodina) would be annexed by Hungary or Bulgaria . To compensate for this you might see them focus on Albania more, maybe annexing the North like they planned after the Balkan War and then replacing the Albanians (who would be deported) with Serb refugees from the annexed areas.
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I think they are referring to the opposition from Slavic groups about the Magyarization campaigns.
Honestly that might be better in the long term. Budapest was always the challenge with "are minorities people"
And yet it was the Germans who threw a hissy fit when the Austrian government tried to introduce Czech as an official language in Bohemia.
In Hungary, minorities possessed the legal rights to engage with bureucracy in their own language: Municipalities where atleast 20% of the population spoke a certain language were mandated to offer services in that language. The counties were also free to choose in what language they wanted to interact with the state apparatus. There certainly were problems with the actual adherence to the law in certain regions, and Magyarisation did create unnecessary friction, that much is true, but claiming something along the lines of Hungary not treating its minorities as human beings is quite a reach.