This is a really interesting TL -- here's hoping Rydz-Smigly ends up defecting to the good guys/Reds
So a rump Poland, reduced in both the east and west and perhaps a semi Germany aligned Baltic state(s). Along with a bigger USSR, that looks more threatening.
Thank you! And yes, we will continue to follow the savagery in the Baltic... But whether or not it cools down remains to be seen.Heard that the Freikorps in the East were fighting a somewhat savage war against the Bolsheviks, hopefully may cool down eventually. Excellent update like always.
The Entente will likely be far more determined to force a peace. And material support from either the Italians or Brits/French will likely be less forthcoming to the Turkish/Greek. I will need to examine the Greco-Turkish War in more detail, though.I will interpret that as the Entente being more stringent on forging a peace that benefits neither combatant, since 'they can't have regional hegemony now can they'.
So far, what I have planned will result in a very distracted British/French indeed, and probably a far messier Paris Peace Conference. Additionally, if the Germans become involved in the wars against the Bolsheviks, this will give them a lot of leverage in the conferences that they did not have IOTL.Much depend if the situation on the east take much attention of the Anglo-French and more importantly of Wilson stance towards the Italo-Jugoslavian negotiation,
I wouldn't count on a rump Poland just yet! Remember that IOTL, the Soviets advanced right up to Warsaw in 1920, and still the Poland were able to annex a lot of territory in the aftermath.So a rump Poland, reduced in both the east and west and perhaps a semi Germany aligned Baltic state(s). Along with a bigger USSR, that looks more threatening.
Might be an interesting butterfly...It will be even worse if they decide to incorporate mongolia as a SSR this time around.
Thank you for your kind words! At the present moment there is a low chance of Rydz-Smigly defecting, as although he is a socialist, he is also a Polish patriot. However, Rydz-Smigly does put Dmowski and Haller in an awkward spot: subduing him via military means would not only look very bad and risk ripping open Poland in a civil war, but it would divert much-needed troops. On the other hand, reversing the coup for the sake of Rydz-Smigly would undermine the legitimacy and authority of Dmowski and Haller in a big way, and might embolden the socialist opposition.This is a really interesting TL -- here's hoping Rydz-Smigly ends up defecting to the good guys/Reds
Indeed. Changes in the Polish-Soviet War will definitely change how the Russian Civil War at large plays out — there are an awful lot of moving parts here to keep track of.Well depend for the URSS, the Polish-soviet war was part of the Russian civil war so change there (even with a more succesfull URSS) can have butterfly in other parts.
Hello all. I must apologise for repeatedly disappearing. I have been getting blasted in the ass by university and so haven't been able to make any posts. However, things have eased up, and so I have some time to do some writing. I thought that I'd ease back into things with an update focused on the political intrigues and diplomatic goings-ons. Then, I have an update planned for later this week that focuses on the Freikorps in the Baltics and the German side of things. In that update, I'd also like to address the Polish-German insurgencies in Silesia and Poznan. After that, I want to write up an update that focuses on the Bolsheviks and what they're thinking about. If you're still reading this timeline, thank you. I appreciate your patience.
No need to apologise, just glad this interesting TL is still going.
And so, ladies and gentlemen, we have another major breach in the normal course of historical events. In our own timeline, Denikin would launch an assault on Moscow in the summer of 1919 after seizing Tsaritsyn. He would make it as far as Orel, just 360 kilometres from Moscow, before his supply lines collapsed after an assault into his rearguard by Makhno's Black Armies in October of 1919. But now, Trotsky is willing to foment an earlier assault by the Black Armies against Denikin, while he plans to shift the balance of Soviet troops to the west, the course of the Russian Civil War will be irrevocably altered. Already, just one month after our Point of Divergence, far-reaching and powerful effects are being felt.
That is a very reasonable critique and I appreciate it. I don't want to break the immersion. I have moved that section to a note that deals with Denikin. I do enjoy writing "directly to the reader" in that style sometimes, but I think I will leave that sort of thing to when I put out a recap post in the next few weeks.I like this update to the TL, but I feel the part highlighted either needs to go in the “notes” section or be left unsaid until it comes up in discussion. It just breaks up the flow of the alternate history TL that you’ve got going to jolt into “real history” and show what’s different and what’s going to happen.
Just my tuppence worth.
That is a very reasonable critique and I appreciate it. I don't want to break the immersion. I have moved that section to a note that deals with Denikin. I do enjoy writing "directly to the reader" in that style sometimes, but I think I will leave that sort of thing to when I put out a recap post in the next few weeks.
Of course! I am always open to critique and discussion. And I'm really glad you're enjoying the TL so far.Thank you for taking the critique in the spirit it was meant.
I’m finding this TL fascinating and hope it continues apace.
I will try to make a point of including major breaks from OTL. Of course, I'll only be able to do this in the beginning of the TL as there'll eventually be a point where this TL diverges entirely...Thank you for pointing out the divergence in the footnotes -- helps me realize the significance. Here's hoping the Red Army rings in the 20s singing Warszawianka in Warsaw...
The events described here are bound to mirror the situation in Finland and Eastern Karelia as well. Now, the Finnish government considered itself to be de jure at war with the Bolsheviks, and Mannerheim and the Activist faction wanted to conduct an assault to Petrograd. In OTL the Aunus expedition was just about to start at this time as a really limited endeavor with tact British approval. Things were really unclear until the first Presidential elections in 1919, and should Mannerheim declare martial law and disband the Eduskunta, there wouldn't really be anyone able to stop him from doing so.