Hail, Britannia

LeinadB93

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OH Belgium looks interesting.
It almost feels like a miniature Holy Roman Empire :)
Belgium is indeed fascinating ITTL - but I cannot take all the credit. The amazing contributors over on the Discord channel helped me straighten out my ideas and formulate the history and evolution of Belgium.

Yes the HRE was an inspiration :)

With Belgium not getting into the colonial game ITTL, does something like the Congo Free State still happen?
god i hope not
Without Belgium taking any colonial territory the Congo region came under French control. There's no equivalent to the OTL Congo Free State ITTL, but I would imagine that France would perform its own atrocities within the region.

So German/Luxemburgian isn't a official language at the federal level?

Also when was Wallonia created as a constituent country, 1893 or at a later point?
It is Luxembourgish, not Luxembourgian.
Kind of already covered both of those in the post:

Belgium is a multinational state divided into several linguistic and cultural groups, with six official languages
The resulting Treaty of London, signed on 21 July 1832, established the Belgian Confederation - an association of semi-autonomous states - under Archduke Charles, Duke of Teschen, a scion of the House of Habsburg. The Treaty created seven states within Belgium - the grand duchies of Flanders, Wallonia and Luxembourg, the principalities of Hainaut and Eupen-Malmedy, and the duchies of Limburg and Brabant
Walloon, Lxembourgish, Esperanto and German were all granted official federal status in the 1970s under the government of Edmond Leburton.
 

LeinadB93

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I didn’t mean it to balloon, it just triggered a itch on brain, which wouldn’t shut up until I made the point. Like my issue with Bush earlier in the timeline.

I knew it was a joke, I accepted and understood the joke in context of the TL, but there was just a little voice in the back of my head itching to point of identity politics problem, stopping me from working, making me put something down midway through doing something, etc.

Depending on the topic itching at my brain I can either make a snap respond (example the joke above) or really internalise and mull over topic until it pushes me to the point of complete frustration (Bush).

I probably should from now on write out these brain itching topics on a word instead of just posting them, as while sometimes it just a burning question of “why did X happen”, other times it’s the things above.

Again I apologise, I didn’t mean for it to balloon at all.
Don't worry about it :) Just learn from it. We all make mistakes.

Maybe instead of going off on a semi-rant just ask a question - like "but other than her race, why would Laurent make a good leadership candidate".

PS. I genuinely don't mind answering any burning questions. As long as I am not repeating myself :)
 

LeinadB93

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Thanks to everyone who voted in the poll. The final three candidates (along with their backers) are shown below.

I'll check the results from the final poll on Saturday, then get to work on the wikibox.

Here is the poll.

Isaac Herzog (Westralia; Ararat and the Islands): SDP MIP since 2013, and former Chief Minister of Ararat. A very much foreign policy, liberal-internationalist chap who knows to tack to the left every once in a while but overall is of the moderate faction. Would be the first Jewish prime minister since Javits if he led the SDP to victory, the first from the SDP, and the first to hail from Westralia.

Endorsed by Anthony Brown and Nick Brown.​

Bérénice Laurent (Ohio Country; Ville de Detroit): Black British, Francophone, MIP for Detroit, she has been a strong voice from the backbenches for the SDP to "rediscover its values" and notably is the most mute about their criticism of the Lim government, to the point where it's understood that the embattled former PM would prefer her to win. Would be the first Francophone PM since Trudeau if she led the SDP to victory, and the first Black British PM.

Begrudgingly endorsed by Sir Paul Krugman.​

Olivia Chow (Canada; Old Toronto): Wife/widow and successor of Jack Layton [to his seat of Old Toronto], she in a sense is trying to capture the "Layton magic" and has notably criticised Lim for what she sees as "moving away from Jack's vision". Still on the left of the SDP broadly, but not of the Lim faction, that's for sure.

John Delaney, who was eliminated after the third round of voting, refused to endorse any candidate and his supporters largely split between Herzog and Laurent.
 
I've very excited to see the outcome of this one. But I'm curious, wouldn't Benjamin Disraeli be seen as the first Jewish PM, religious to not.

Might I ask, how he's seen in the Empire? A sort of founding father?
 

LeinadB93

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But I'm curious, wouldn't Benjamin Disraeli be seen as the first Jewish PM, religious to not.
I feel like that really depends on who you ask... He might best be described as the first PM of Jewish descent, even if that wasn't his actual faith.

Might I ask, how he's seen in the Empire? A sort of founding father?
Disraeli is definitely seen as a sort of "Founder of the Modern Empire" figure, and if there were a Mount Rushmore equivalent his face would definitely be on it. He's one of the more well known of Britain's historic PMs.

Rhineland when it gained independence proposed crowning its own king, but couldn't settle on a candidate.
And now, because I fell down the rabbithole, I'm considering a fictional dynast of the House of Murat (with a French royal marriage) being "King of the Rhine"...
 
I've very excited to see the outcome of this one. But I'm curious, wouldn't Benjamin Disraeli be seen as the first Jewish PM, religious to not.

Might I ask, how he's seen in the Empire? A sort of founding father?
Depends. OTL he was first elected to Parliament in my home town Maidstone, so more creedit to him .is always good. On another point France may do some nad things in the Congo or not, but Leopold was in a class of his own in that respect, (the Heart of Darkness). I always liked Prince Rupert of the Rhine as a title, so King of the Rhine sounds fun too.
 

LeinadB93

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Depends. OTL he was first elected to Parliament in my home town Maidstone, so more creedit to him .is always good.
Indeed. He probably still represented Maidstone in the British Parliament before being kicked up the Lords.

On another point France may do some nad things in the Congo or not, but Leopold was in a class of his own in that respect, (the Heart of Darkness).
Oh definitely. Leopold's Congo was horrific. I don't think anywhere in this history came close to matching it.

I always liked Prince Rupert of the Rhine as a title, so King of the Rhine sounds fun too.
Indeed :) I'm very tempted...
 
Monarchs and Chancellors of Belgium

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Monarchs of Belgium (1832–) [1]
1832–1847: Charles I [2]
1847–1895: Charles II [3]
1895–1936: Frederick I [4]
1936–1950: Charles III [5]
1950–1961: Nicholas I [6]
1961–1997: Frederick II [7]
1997–2009: Nicholas II [8]
2009–2020: Charles IV [9]
Heir apparent: Prince Albert Frederick, Duke of Brabant

[1] - Officially the monarch is styled as the "King of the Belgians and President of the Sovereign Confederation". All monarchs have been members of the House of Habsburg-Belgium, a cadet branch of the Austrian House of Habsburg-Lorraine.​
[3] - OTL Archduke Albrecht; son of preceding.​
[4] - OTL Archduke Friedrich; nephew of preceding. Brother of Queen Maria Christina of the Antilles, wife of Alfonso Francisco I of the Antilles.​
[5] - OTL Archduke Albrecht Franz; son of preceding. Surrendered to Nazi Germany during the Second World War. Married morganatically with two daughters. Exiled after 1944 and abdicated in 1950 after allegations of collaboration.​
[6] - OTL Archduke Karl Albrecht; cousin of preceding. Served as Regent of Belgium from 1944 to 1950. Succeeded as King after his cousin's abdication. Married Princess Sophie of Wallonia, daughter of Grand Duke Louis II.​
[7] - Fictional. Born 1923, son of preceding. Married Archduchess Anna-Theresia of Austria, sister of King József III Árpád of Hungary.​
[8] - Fictional. Born 1925, brother of preceding. Married Princess Maria Pia, daughter of King Umberto II of Savoy.​

Chancellors of the United Belgian States (1893–)
11. 1893–1896 Jules de Burlet (Catholic)
12. 1896–1907 Paul de Smet de Naeyer (Catholic)
13. 1907–1911 Francis Schollaert (Catholic)
14. 1911–1918 Charles de Broqueville (Catholic)
15. 1918–1920 Léon Delacroix (Catholic)
16. 1920–1925 Joseph Van Roosbroeck (Socialist) (1st)
17. 1925–1927 Georges Theunis (Catholic)
18. 1927–1932 Henri Jaspar (Catholic)
16. 1932–1937 Joseph Van Roosbroeck (Socialist) (2nd)
19. 1937–1939 Paul van Zeeland (Catholic)
10. 1939–1945 Herbert Pierlot (Catholic)
11. 1945–1947 Pierre Krier† (Socialist)
12. 1947–1950 Paul-Henri Spaak (Socialist)
13. 1950–1953 Pierre Dupong† (Christian Democratic)
14. 1953–1960 Gaston Eyskens (Christian Democratic)
15. 1960–1963 Achille Van Acker (Socialist)
16. 1963–1965 Théo Lefèvre (Christian Democratic)
17. 1965–1973 Pierre Werner (Christian Democratic)
18. 1973–1979 Edmond Leburton (Socialist)
19. 1979–1982 Paul Vanden Boeynants (Christian Democratic)
20. 1982–1985 Leo Tindemans (Christian Democratic)
21. 1985–1992 Wilfred Martens (Christian Democratic)
22. 1992–1999 Melchior Wathelet (Christian Democratic)
23. 1999–2008 Guy Verhofstadt (Liberal Democrats)
24. 2008–2011 Yves Leterme (Christian Democratic)
25. 2011–2018 Laurette Onklinx (Socialist)
26. 2018–2020 Claude Wiseler (Christian Democratic)
 
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I thought the idea of Accra voting to abandon their sovereignty and join a larger nation was rather rare or unlikely, but the current OTL situation in Lebanon makes me think it might be more common ITTL, maybe even normal
 
I thought the idea of Accra voting to abandon their sovereignty and join a larger nation was rather rare or unlikely, but the current OTL situation in Lebanon makes me think it might be more common ITTL, maybe even normal
Accra is rather a unique situation as A) it was already heavily linked to the larger nation, B) used to be apart of the larger nation but in a different context, C) there are systems in place to allow such a situation and D) has the public and political support in both parties supporting the accession.
 
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