For a Gore Prosperous Tomorrow

Well the McCain and Sanders administrations so far look very different but similar. As for BLM, Charleston and Charlottesville, did they ever occur in this timeline or butterflied away entirely? Some timelines arguably come off as more better than OTL and For A More Gore Prosperous Tomorrow is one of them.
What do you mean by that in that look different but are similar?

Black Lives Matter will still likely happen, given how the corruption regarding police brutality, racial profiling and the systematic issues have been there since way before the Gore Administration.

And yes, I will say that this timeline is more optimistic than OTL. Alot of alternate historians tend to fall into philsophical pit traps that the world has to be roughly equivalent in terms of "good" and "bad" events happening or near to of real life :/
 
What do you mean by that in that look different but are similar?

Black Lives Matter will still likely happen, given how the corruption regarding police brutality, racial profiling and the systematic issues have been there since way before the Gore Administration.

And yes, I will say that this timeline is more optimistic than OTL. Alot of alternate historians tend to fall into philsophical pit traps that the world has to be roughly equivalent in terms of "good" and "bad" events happening or near to of real life :/
I wonder about Charleston and Charlottesville. So far, For A Gore Prosperous Tomorrow's 2015 and 2017 doesn't even mention the Charleston church shooting or the Charlottesville riots/Unite the Right. Presumably they don't ever occur right? There might exist an equivalent event for the former but in a different city with a different person.
 
I wonder about Charleston and Charlottesville. So far, For A Gore Prosperous Tomorrow's 2015 and 2017 doesn't even mention the Charleston church shooting or the Charlottesville riots/Unite the Right. Presumably they don't ever occur right? There might exist an equivalent event for the former but in a different city with a different person.
Exactly. It's unlikely those would happen in the same way given the differing gun laws, social atmosphere and culture changes.

Heck, Trump died in prison back in the turn of the decade, the Fairness Act being in play meant the media has to be less biased and so on. Thus these incidents wouldn't rise.
 
How is the state of Missouri during this timeline? Along with the rest of the Ozarks?

What are Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic) and James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) doing in this timeline?
Hmm... well, gerrymandering was found unconstitutional back in the mid-2000s and so basically both parties lost being able to draw politically advantageous districts. This would have its own impacts. Beyond that, well hard to say. Gore would be viewed pretty favorably overall as a president while McCain would be pretty mixed albeit it would be agreed that when it came to domestic affairs, especially the economy, he was a big let down. This combined with the growing anger at the extensively wealthy and powerful (which in it of itself was more pronounced since a much quicker resolution to 9/11 means that other scandalous news like the Enron scandal has a bigger impact on the American subconscious).
As such, I would see those states having to deal with things like the larger expansion for abortion clinics and so on though it did come with free healthcare and the relief of student debt.

I reckon the two would've definitely become more prominent early on because of how YouTube developed while also having to deal with the changing standards. The issues regarding how employees were treated regarding the Nostalgia channel would be pronounced or happen sooner, if at all. We would still likely have Nostalgic Critic and Angry Video Game Nerd though.
 
Exactly. It's unlikely those would happen in the same way given the differing gun laws, social atmosphere and culture changes.

Heck, Trump died in prison back in the turn of the decade, the Fairness Act being in play meant the media has to be less biased and so on. Thus these incidents wouldn't rise.
So no Charleston and Charlottesville but the former event might receive a equivalent in another non-Southern city with a sizable black majority or black minority such as Milwaukee, Chicago, New York City, Philadelphia or Baltimore. It also means there is no purge of Confederate monuments and monuments of other historical figures such as Christopher Columbus, the Founding Fathers, the Unionists, Junipero Serra and various others.
 
So no Charleston and Charlottesville but the former event might receive a equivalent in another non-Southern city with a sizable black majority or black minority such as Milwaukee, Chicago, New York City, Philadelphia or Baltimore. It also means there is no purge of Confederate monuments and monuments of other historical figures such as Christopher Columbus, the Founding Fathers, the Unionists, Junipero Serra and various others.
Yeah and the Sanders Administration has made it known that would be addressed. As for the removal of Confederate monuments along with certain others... well, I can see the Confederae monuments being removed. Columbus as well and as for the others, that would vary. Honestly, we would have a similar somewhat radical cultural shift like OTL, but the execution would be different because of what led up to it and who is in charge.
 
Yeah and the Sanders Administration has made it known that would be addressed. As for the removal of Confederate monuments along with certain others... well, I can see the Confederae monuments being removed. Columbus as well and as for the others, that would vary. Honestly, we would have a similar somewhat radical cultural shift like OTL, but the execution would be different because of what led up to it and who is in charge.
Up until 2015, no one had a problem with Confederate monuments not even Democrats and liberals. A Charleston-esque shooting occurring in a non-Southern city wouldn't even spur the removal of Confederate monuments but it would lead to national backlash against white nationalism.
 
Up until 2015, no one had a problem with Confederate monuments not even Democrats and liberals. A Charleston-esque shooting occurring in a non-Southern city wouldn't even spur the removal of Confederate monuments but it would lead to national backlash against white nationalism.
Except the fact that most white people were okay or nonchalant about the presence of Confederate monuments is part of the problem. Anyways... the Sanders Administration would act in regards to these matters. Beyond that, we're not discussing this so it doesn't spin off into a firestorm
 
Sanders Administration- Winter 2018
Winter 2018

"Just what happened in California?!"

"At least we have the Winter Olympics"

"Guess this is the end of the War on Drugs then..."


Midterm fever crept up onto the American populace and perhaps moreso than ever. The political establishment was caught offguard by the election of Bernie Sanders along with the growing Progressive wing of the Democrat party and that similar influences managed to make their way into the Republican party. While the new blood of the parties were still seperated in some instances and appoaches, they possessed common ground in healthcare, the importance of addressing climate change and other factors. As such, there was a growing urgency, especially in the primaries. In the meanwhile though, other issues keep taking the attention of the people and governments at the time. One was the series of mudflows occurred in Southern California in early January 2018, particularly affecting areas northwest of Los Angeles in Santa Barbara County. Many note that the mudflows were likely the result of heavy rains and the loss of trees from the California wildfire season of the previous year, meaning there was a lack of tree roots helping to hold down the soil together. Approx 1500 firefighters and other emergancy workers came in along with federal assistance. The Sanders Administration also used the incident as an example of what could happen with the worsening of climate change and how these sorts of disasters feed into the other and causing problem, stating how the various facets of nature are all connected.

Homes and streets of a neighborhood affected by the Santa Barbara County mudslides

However, there was a renewed sense of optimism going on with the beginning of the year, both in domestic affairs and foreign affairs. One of the big signs of this was the Winter Olympics of 2018. While many of the nations were going forward to enjoy themselves, perhaps one of the bigger news was the involvement of North Korea. Or rather, North Korea's participation into the Winter Olympics since the end of the Kim Administration in North Korea. North Korea declined to participate in the 2016 Olympics over in Rio due to some lingering concerns over the administration change and restructuring. However, here in the Winter Olympics being held over in South Korea, North Korea would come in to participate. Many saw this as a milestone in the improvement of relationships and so on. It also helped expose the changing North Korea to more of the changing world, providing some hope. Pyeongchang was elected as the host city in July 2011, at the 123rd IOC Session in Durban, South Africa. This was the second time that South Korea had hosted the Olympic Games, having previously hosted the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, but it was the first Winter Olympics to be held in the country. Of course, not everyone was so lucky to participate. The controversy over the Russian doping scandal also hanged over it along, resulting in the lack of participation from the Russian nation. It was a sign of the growing isolation of Russia on the world stage.

XXIII Olympic Winter Games icon

The big news on the domestics though would be on the Sanders Administration ending the "War on Drugs." Touting the failures of the harsh approach and how it instead led to the escalation of police brutality, financial instability among the lower class, especially minorities and even the historical example of how Prohibition led to the rise of the mob, this was contrasted with the successes of Portugal's drug decriminalization program, As such, the Sanders Administration wished to follow suit and perhaps even surpass them. Besides working to pardon many nonviolent drug offenders, plans were being drawn up to vote for the legalization of medical and recreational marijuana along with the decriminalization of all drugs. The hope was that by changing the approach to treatment rather criminalization, it would cause the number of criminals to go down. Unsurprisingly, such bold ideals had its detractors and its supporters. Many were massively supportve, especially as growing sympathies and evidence toward the policies swayed people over while others saw it as an opportunity for further investment, especially with the Sanders Administration looking into financial compensation for those imprisoned. Election season also served as a formidable influence on people regarding this, either if they were fence-sitters or people who could be badgered into compliance. This would be passed in a series of bills; one went forward to decriminalize all drug consumption while the second bill would legalize the medical and recreational marijuana market, albeit over a period of time in order for the system to adjust. Both bills would end up passing House and Senate, if with some difficulty due to some hardliners and others. Of course, this was only the beginning as the Sanders administration would begin tackling its large objectives: its new budget and justice reform.


California cannabis icon, a sign of what was to come regarding cannabis products
 
Well this may sound weird but I want to ask a question regarding something that happened earlier in the timeline.
 
It's regarding how Marvel decided to split the X-Men off into their own separate "Universe". What exactly gave you the idea for that to happen?
 
It's regarding how Marvel decided to split the X-Men off into their own separate "Universe". What exactly gave you the idea for that to happen?
Well, basically, the differing times, the complications of Spider-Man 2 and the successes of the X-Men and various other factors. That and likely new blood within the industry. After all, most people really didn't associate the X-Men hanging with everyone else so they decide to try and do this little experiment.

I came up with it when I recalled how growing up, the X-Men always seemed very distinct and seperate from the rest of the Marvel universe. As such, why not try and do so? Furthermore, the even less popularity of Ultimate Universe among others could influence them to try a different but still radical approach to reinvigorate their comics. Honestly, I could see it working, especially once the films start coming out and folk would just have to start reading from the new comics around the beginning of 2006 to catch up.

Marvel could continue on with its various heroes and they wouldn't be as worried on trying to get the X-Men film rights, especially once they get Spider-Man's film rights thanks to the various financial flubs of Sony (Spider-Man 3 dying in production and in controversy, the PS3 doing worse because of the Xbox 360's stronger presence in Japan, etc). This leaves X-Men on their own and being pretty self-contained.

Whether or not it would do good would depend on the writers for it. As for Marvel, well, things would be different, Black Panther would be shipped instead with Monica Rambeau/Spectrum for example. Inhumans and Nuhumans would become prominent a bit sooner as a way to explain superpower origins without having the same sort of complicated lore baggage with the X-men, especially since the Inhumans function differently.
 
Oh right I forgot about how badly Spider-Man 2 kind of turned out ITTL. I wonder how are the X-Men films doing ITTL?
 
Oh right I forgot about how badly Spider-Man 2 kind of turned out ITTL. I wonder how are the X-Men films doing ITTL?
Well, it was still good, but the production was alot more troubled, so when that carried over to Spider-Man 3, already a troubled production in OTL, it just collapsed. And yeah, Marvel would've put in an emergancy "button" to undo the split, but probably not go through with it once they see seperating X-Men from others works, especially since it would force them to not rely on them for allegory and push for real on marginalized peoples and heroes.
 
I wonder how are the X-Men films doing ITTL?
X-Men films may do better at first because the'd take more time to invest in it after the failure of Spider-Man 3, but I predict that they will begin to suffer some of the problems of OTL from a lack of direction and so on. My guess is Marvel would play the long game with the X-Men films, waiting for them to hit stagnation point before offering to buy them
 
Sanders Administration- Education
The Sanders Administration: Education Exceeding

The elimination of student debt... the implementation of a single-payer healthcare system... handling the tax system. These and various other accomplishments were pushed through and pushed hard by the Sanders Administration. While the people were desiring out, it was still a hard-fought battle because they had to combat opposing politicians in Congress and maintaining momentum for their successes. And perhaps now is when it would come in. While the yearly budgets were relatively modest, focusing mainly on taking money from the military and adding to schools along with some other incentives, here they were largely more ambitious. Namely, the new budgets called for the additio of new taxes on corporations and the extensively wealthy to raise funds needed for new programs. This was tied in with the greater effort to go after the tax havens. Each one of the new taxes or tax increases would be done for the purpose of helping to fund new program and provide new opportunities. While the Sanders Administration wished to pass as much as they could, they were also aware that they would face the most opposition here and went over to try and prioritize what they could.

The main one was the so-called "College-For-All" intiative. The College for All Act would provide at least $48 billion per year to eliminate tuition and fees at four-year public colleges and universities, tribal colleges, community colleges, trade schools, and apprenticeship programs. According to the Sanders administration, it should not be difficult for students to be able to pursue their educatation, regardless of what field they desire to go into. After all, by increasing the number of professionals such as doctors, public lawyers, blue collar folk and so on, it would provide plenty of opportunites for people to do so. They emphasized that whether it be community colleges, trade schools or formal college/university, everyone should have a fair chance. Of course, the administration and Department of Education would work to make sure all of this goes smoothly as there were various aspects to address. Things like the allocation of resources (plenty of pundits and commentators noted the subject of how colleges invested in football stations or athletics mroe than their actual studies), ensuring the fairness (concerns over embezzlement were brought up) and also how much to cover. Beyond analyzing the coverage of tuitation, factors regarding housing, books and so on were to be taken into consideration. This and various other details were debated and worked out.

Regardless though, the core concept remained. Students go pursue higher education, not having to be concerned about college debt impeding their futures. Passing the act was among the most difficult challenge for the Sanders Administration and they knew that it was already plenty difficult with everything already accomplished. However, the upcoming nature of the primaries loomed over the heads of the politicians and the Sanders Administration's open-door policy on knowing which elected official voted for what and making it clear, meant that it would be easy to find out who voted the way they did. Other questions remained such as private universities, who were largely unaffected by the decision though the minor influences were still considered, such as allocation of resources.

This did not go without criticism unsurprisingly. Some were relatively grounded and showed concerns over cost or maintanace while others were emotional and inflammatory. The Sanders Administration did its best to address these concerns and the supporters did as well, especially as the debates and counterpoints were shown across media. It did show a growing gap between certain groups of people and the need to deal with overall ideas or trends of thinking. Insulting stereotypes and deragatory comments on college students or so on would backfire, especially as counter-points were thrown and instead seem to further unite most of the youth toward these reformistic ideals. It seemed to symbolize the beginnings of a large and more radical cultural shift.

Despite this, the Sanders Administration would end up managing to push through and pass it, being proudly signed by Bernie Sanders. Various young people, their parents and guardians felt further relief as another burden would be taken from their shoulders. Universities had to make their adjustments. Scholarships would be shifted around, namely to assist students in other manners, such as for low-income students unable to live on campus or shifting to renovate in different departments. The talks and actions were being done. International students were also being included and the debates with those being discussed and the details hammered out.

While other projects were shelved for the time being, the Sanders Administration did have one final boost. Substantial increases and reforms to the public school system. Besides further beefing up the system, the goal would be to ensure that people involved in the teaching careers and those associated, such as librarians, library technicians and so on would be better financially compensated for their work along with working to get the best educators. After all, educators and their associates had a massive responsability so proper support would be needed. Many people applauded this while others showed their concerns for one reason or another. Regardless though, it provided a topic of discussion for the upcoming elections.
 
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