Fate of the caste system in a communist India.

Exactly as the title says, in the event communism were to come to power in India before 1950, what would become of the caste system? Would communism's opposition to certain hierarchical traditions result in its total abolishment of the caste system? Would its forced illegalization also see an attempt by the regime to take further measures to ensure that it becomes discredited in wider Indian society and not just according to the government?
Alternatively, might the regime instead rework the caste system in a way to make it more in line with communist ideology, and potentially avoiding any unrest or resistance among the members of the higher caste's? If so, what might this new variation of the caste system look like and how would it operate?

Wether or not this communist government came to power through force or democratically I will leave to you, as I imagine that whichever means leads to a communist regime could have its own affects on the caste system as a whole.
 

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There is a chance that Caste system is destroyed through intermarriage between different castes

sadly, it isn't going to happen.

the caste system is too flexible and uber powerful to be so easily destroyed. people have been trying for generations to kill it but have failed.even the new attempt by the congress party to kill ot through legislation has only resulted in a fearce response from the upper caste in the form of raising a fringe movement of the bjp into the single biggest party in india.

people who have left hinduism still are bound to their caste. for example in pakisthan muslim converts from dalits still are considered lowér to the converts from higher castes and the same goes for dalits converts in goa. where there are separate churches for higher and lower caste christians.

even people of the other genders still are bound to their caste. enuch still discriminate aganist one another based on their caste. caste has also started to mold the gay movement to its advantage.

i have seen gay marriage adverts where a mother sought a growm for her son but only from the same caste.


in the end i will only write caste is about power and cantrol and that is why people still support it.sure the brahmins are at the top but the system also provides power and benefits to the lower level caste. as long as they support the system otherwise another will take their place.
 
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ha ha ha. aint going to happen. sadly the caste system is too flexible and uber powerful to be so easily destroyed. hell it has even started to mold the gay movement to its advantage.



i have seen gay marriage adverts where a mother sought a growm for her son but only from the same caste.
That is pretty hilarious and unfortunate at the same time , these are a few ways caste can be destroyed in India-
  1. Caste surnames are forbidden, People's name should be their Mother's name, Their Name, Father's Name, essentially equalizing all their castes in name form
  2. Forcing and incentivizing the inter caste marriages
  3. Mass and free education for lower castes and their emancipation in political power
 
That is pretty hilarious and unfortunate at the same time , these are a few ways caste can be destroyed in India-
  1. Caste surnames are forbidden, People's name should be their Mother's name, Their Name, Father's Name, essentially equalizing all their castes in name form
  2. Forcing and incentivizing the inter caste marriages
  3. Mass and free education for lower castes and their emancipation in political power
Given that most highly-educated Indians still marry within their caste, this is unlikely. Forcing inter-caste marriages would result in the government getting toppled, no two ways about it.
 
Given that most highly-educated Indians still marry within their caste, this is unlikely. Forcing inter-caste marriages would result in the government getting toppled, no two ways about it.
Rather than forcing, it is more incentivizing, and people can be brainwashed into believing inter caste marriage is the norm through education

Communist India could have its own version of cultural revolution
 

jss2020

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That is pretty hilarious and unfortunate at the same time , these are a few ways caste can be destroyed in India-
  1. Caste surnames are forbidden, People's name should be their Mother's name, Their Name, Father's Name, essentially equalizing all their castes in name form
  2. Forcing and incentivizing the inter caste marriages
  3. Mass and free education for lower castes and their emancipation in political power


ha ha ha. so naive. you must be a non indian.

1.names have nothing to do with caste. surnmaes change but work doesnt.

2. the indian state does it and it doesnt work.

3. the indian state does it but doesnt work for a reason.


Rather than forcing, it is more incentivizing, and people can be brainwashed into believing inter caste marriage is the norm through education

Communist India could have its own version of cultural revolution


you are not indian thats preety much clear now. why are so hell bent to beliving this must happen. the caste system is more powerful then any economic theory for indians. for it through caste can you hope to defend yourself and your interedt against the state.
 
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ha ha ha. so naive. you must be a non indian.

1.names have nothing to do with caste. surnmaes change but work doesnt.

2. the indian state does it and it doesnt work.

3. the indian state does it but doesnt work for a reason.
I was just suggesting ways to get around caste, and how doesnt name play a role in caste ? Surnames are the indicators of caste

How would you think there can be a way for caste to be destroyed in India that is communist
 

jss2020

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caste is based on your work not your name. if that was all that it took to kill caste everyone would have only their first name.

it cant be just like in west bengal proved because most of the communist leadership in india has always been the upper castes and they never share power.

i the past we tried to better other now we are more wiser.
 
Exactly as the title says, in the event communism were to come to power in India before 1950, what would become of the caste system? Would communism's opposition to certain hierarchical traditions result in its total abolishment of the caste system? Would its forced illegalization also see an attempt by the regime to take further measures to ensure that it becomes discredited in wider Indian society and not just according to the government?
Alternatively, might the regime instead rework the caste system in a way to make it more in line with communist ideology, and potentially avoiding any unrest or resistance among the members of the higher caste's? If so, what might this new variation of the caste system look like and how would it operate?

Wether or not this communist government came to power through force or democratically I will leave to you, as I imagine that whichever means leads to a communist regime could have its own affects on the caste system as a whole.
The irony is, many of the communist party leaders in India are upper caste and there is a joke here in Kerala where there is a big CPI(M) presence that the communist party is a Brahmin party. Only recently has a lower caste come to the top here.
 
The irony is, many of the communist party leaders in India are upper caste and there is a joke here in Kerala where there is a big CPI(M) presence that the communist party is a Brahmin party. Only recently has a lower caste come to the top here.
Nothing ironic here. Most communist movements in the world have been led by the privileged.
 
caste is based on your work not your name. if that was all that it took to kill caste everyone would have only their first name.

it cant be just like in west bengal proved because most of the communist leadership in india has always been the upper castes and they never share power.

i the past we tried to better other now we are more wiser.
You are right, the major problem in India is that there are almost no parties that work for the annihilation of caste, as they are all family run businesses at this pont, BJP and CPI are the only ones withe coherent Anti caste ideology
 
The irony is, many of the communist party leaders in India are upper caste and there is a joke here in Kerala where there is a big CPI(M) presence that the communist party is a Brahmin party. Only recently has a lower caste come to the top here.
That is true for almost all parties as the upper caste were historically most privileged
 
That is true for almost all parties as the upper caste were historically most privileged
And will continue to be privileged in a Communist India. Just look at the USSR after Lenin, and the eastern block and the DPRK. Only the PRC has been able to make a pure meritocracy and that too after millions had been killed in a cultural revolution; and with so much difficulties, the entire meritocracy came close to crashing down multiple times.
Communist or non-communist, the High Castes will continue to dominate.
 
And will continue to be privileged in a Communist India. Just look at the USSR after Lenin, and the eastern block and the DPRK. Only the PRC has been able to make a pure meritocracy and that too after millions had been killed in a cultural revolution; and with so much difficulties, the entire meritocracy came close to crashing down multiple times.
Communist or non-communist, the High Castes will continue to dominate.
That is true, no matter what the system is, the people who have been historical elites will continue to dominate, but it can be diluted, as such making it easier for lower classes and castes to attain education and employment opportunities, giving them equality of opportunity through reservations in both academics and politics, etc
 
Well quite frankly the way to kill the caste system in India is having a Communist government dedicated to actual class and cultural warfare. While caste isn’t a perfect proxy for class in India, anti-religious, anti-aristocracy, and anti-merchant campaigns would likely either kill or drive into exile a large % of ‘forward’ caste Indians, thereby going a strong way towards killing the caste system at least within India proper. I also imagine that Communism in India would have strong anti-caste manifestations in the same way that Communism in the US had strong anti-racist manifestations.
 
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Well quite frankly the way to kill the caste system in India is having a Communist government dedicated to actual class and cultural warfare. While caste isn’t a perfect proxy for class in India, anti-religious, anti-aristocracy, and anti-merchant campaigns would likely either kill or drive into exile a large % of ‘forward’ caste Indians, thereby going a strong way towards killing the caste system at least within India proper. I also imagine that Communism in India would have strong anti-caste manifestations in the same way that Communism in the US had strong anti-racist manifestations.
Yes, A strong Anti Caste revolution would have been needed for quick removal of caste
 

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That is true, no matter what the system is, the people who have been historical elites will continue to dominate, but it can be diluted, as such making it easier for lower classes and castes to attain education and employment opportunities, giving them equality of opportunity through reservations in both academics and politics, etc


and these ideas are the reason ,why the entire public sector is being dismantled in india. bhagat said we need to end reservation and modi is taking the least difficult way in bringing about this goal.

if there is no public sector,there will be no reservation in public sector.
the upper caste dont think they can get goverment jobs so they wont make too much noise.

then there is the rumor that in the future,all IAS, IRS, etc posts will only be filled by person who have served high positions in the private sectar.

then there was the supreme court decision that reservation is not a fundemental right.

reservation is on the way out.
 
and these ideas are the reason ,why the entire public sector is being dismantled in india. bhagat said we need to end reservation and modi is taking the least difficult way in bringing about this goal.

if there is no public sector,there will be no reservation in public sector.
the upper caste dont think they can get goverment jobs so they wont make too much noise.

then there is the rumor that in the future,all IAS, IRS, etc posts will only be filled by person who have served high positions in the private sectar.

then there was the supreme court decision that reservation is not a fundemental right.

reservation is on the way out.
This threads into modern politics but let me elaborate on that, the reforms on public sector are to increase manufacturing capacity as extremely stringent and frankly stupid labour and land laws forced lack of productivity, Caste politics is on the way out, as caste lines have been blurred and suprisingly, it was a Right wing rather than left wing ideology and parties that did it
 
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