Edward of Lancaster and Henry Tudor switch destinies

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The POD is that in 1471 Henry Tudor gets killed in battle and dies without descendence instead of Edward of Lancaster who instead flies to Brittany with his mother, so what happens if that scenario happens what Edward IV will do???
IDT that Edward will be indulgent as it was for Tudor with Westminster.
 
Tudor was like 14 in 1471, I don't think he's fighting. Dying, OTOH.....

Switching destinies would mean Edward becomes king in 1485 after winning Bosworth.
 
Edward wouldn’t need to promise to marry Elizabeth of York to get the throne. He still might for peace‘s sake, but he could also get a foreign bride. Maybe an earlier born daughter of Francis of Brittany?
 
Edward of Lancaster who instead flies to Brittany with his mother, so what happens if that scenario happens what Edward IV will do???

I feel like Brittany will be under a whole lot more pressure to hand over Edward here. The French will push for him to be given to them, too.

Tudor was like 14 in 1471, I don't think he's fighting. Dying, OTOH.....
Switching destinies would mean Edward becomes king in 1485 after winning Bosworth.
Agreed, Tudor fighting at Tewkesbury is a stretch IMO. A better POD would have him get caught up in the fighting at the battle he witnessed as a child (I can’t think of the name of it) and die then. Edward of Westminster can then survive Tewkesbury.

I think the OP meant fates, Tudor dies in battle Edward lives on.
 
Edward wouldn’t need to promise to marry Elizabeth of York to get the throne. He still might for peace‘s sake, but he could also get a foreign bride. Maybe an earlier born daughter of Francis of Brittany?
That’s assuming Anne Neville dies too.
 
That’s assuming Anne Neville dies too.
Maybe if Anne dies as OTL and they have no surviving sons he could remarry to Elizabeth of York. But I don't think he would wait in Brittany until 1485, he might do something sooner, and that's if he isn't handed over to Edward IV.
 
Maybe if Anne dies as OTL and they have no surviving sons he could remarry to Elizabeth of York. But I don't think he would wait in Brittany until 1485, he might do something sooner, and that's if he isn't handed over to Edward IV.
Agreed. His best bet is to get French support and pray George or Richard does something exponentially dumb, I.E. pulling a Richard III. I have a scenario idea where the Princes Edward and Richard died in quick secession and so Edward IV marries Elizabeth of York to a surviving Edward of Westminster to secure the succession of his daughter.
 

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I had though of this scenario but in a different manner.

Anyways, judging by the scenario . . .

With Westminster seizing the crown of England and marrying Elizabeth of York, as being the legitimate born-in-the-purple Lancastrian-Plantagenet Heir, the two cadet branches of the House of Plantagenet are truly reunited.

I'm not sure how would Henry Tudor, his mother or own uncle fair under Edward's reign. (Does he even know about their existence for certain?)
 
I'm not sure how would Henry Tudor, his mother or own uncle fair under Edward's reign. (Does he even know about their existence for certain?)
Edward of Lancaster? He’d definitely know of Jasper and Margaret’s existence. Both are his Aunt and uncle, who were close to Henry VI. Not sure about Henry Tudor though, but since they are cousins they could be close.
 

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Maybe i should have wrote that Henry Tudor gets slayed in 1471 instead of Edward of Lancaster.
 
I had though of this scenario but in a different manner.

Anyways, judging by the scenario . . .

With Westminster seizing the crown of England and marrying Elizabeth of York, as being the legitimate born-in-the-purple Lancastrian-Plantagenet Heir, the two cadet branches of the House of Plantagenet are truly reunited.

I'm not sure how would Henry Tudor, his mother or own uncle fair under Edward's reign. (Does he even know about their existence for certain?)
Jasper was with Margaret of Anjou and Edward of Westminster in exile, so he definitely knows about him. I don't know if he ever met Margaret Beaufort and Henry Tudor but since he definitely knew they existed. There's no reason why they wouldn't fare well during his reign. Margaret would probably remarry to a loyal Lancastrian and Henry would be Earl of Richmond (and possibly of Pembroke as well if Jasper Tudor dies childless like in OTL).
 
Edward IV did send at least one letter to Margaret of Anjou before the Readeption proposing the marriage of Edward of Lancaster and Elizabeth of York, so it's possible Edward would continue to pursue this in ATL. It would certainly be in his best interest -- having Lancaster submit to him as a duke is far, far less dangerous to his regime than Lancaster maintaining a rival court in France with the support of the French king.


Edward of Lancaster who instead flies to Brittany with his mother
Is there a reason you're having them flee to Brittany and not back to the court of Louis IX or Margaret's father?


That’s assuming Anne Neville dies too.
The marriage was likely unconsummated, so it is easily annulled.
 
Is there a reason you're having them flee to Brittany and not back to the court of Louis IX or Margaret's father?
The only place for Edward to flee is through Wales, which means he could take a similar path as Jasper and Henry Tudor in OTL, which means Edward could land in Brittany instead of France due to the winds.
The marriage was likely unconsummated, so it is easily annulled.
True!
 

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Jasper was with Margaret of Anjou and Edward of Westminster in exile, so he definitely knows about him. I don't know if he ever met Margaret Beaufort and Henry Tudor but since he definitely knew they existed. There's no reason why they wouldn't fare well during his reign. Margaret would probably remarry to a loyal Lancastrian and Henry would be Earl of Richmond (and possibly of Pembroke as well if Jasper Tudor dies childless like in OTL).
I could suppose Edward would elevate the Earldom of Richmond to a dukedom for Henry Tudor. Perhaps he could be Duke of Richmond and Pembroke in his own right.
 
I could suppose Edward would elevate the Earldom of Richmond to a dukedom for Henry Tudor. Perhaps he could be Duke of Richmond and Pembroke in his own right.
That would require Jasper being raised to Duke of Pembroke. I don’t think the Lancastrians are going to be going around creating New York’s after the whole Wars of the Roses. Though Henry would make a fine Duke!
 

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That would require Jasper being raised to Duke of Pembroke. I don’t think the Lancastrians are going to be going around creating New York’s after the whole Wars of the Roses. Though Henry would make a fine Duke!
I mean, Henry Tudor already awarded his Uncle the Dukedom of Bedford after Bosworth IOTL. Westminster could elevate both Henry and Jasper's earldoms. Moreover, Westminster would definitely give any of his would-be sons by Elizebeth the dukedom of Bedford as a royal ducal title.
 
I mean, Henry Tudor already awarded his Uncle the Dukedom of Bedford after Bosworth IOTL. Westminster could elevate both Henry and Jasper's earldoms. Moreover, Westminster would definitely give any of his would-be sons by Elizebeth the dukedom of Bedford as a royal ducal title.
I agree with this. Jasper would be created Duke of Pembroke which would then go to Henry should he die without issue. Henry can then be made Duke of Richmond.
 
Tudor's claim looked laughable when Richard of Gloucester usurped the throne, but if direct Lancastrian heir is still alive then I doubt Gloucester would risk usurpation.
 
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