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For what it’s worth, I’d be happy with a RN “Standards” based around the QEs
If anyone will jump a "generation" it should be the RN after they did so with Dreadnought. But without a push from German ships we do take away some incentives.I'm not saying the RN would be slower to innovate per say, possibly even faster. Ultimately battleships pan out size wise at about 40 to 50k tons. After that you're building something too expensive to build in large numbers and so you'd reach a "standard" battleship type, similar to the "standard" pre dreadnought, with advancements instead made in fire control, armour, gun range and accuracy etc.
Battle cruisers were not about over matching scout forces until the Cats. At least not totally. The RN looked at the 9.2" ship and realized that 12" was inevitable.
Blucher might give some guideposts to German "heavy cruiser" development. It is still too slow to be a modern type, she needs to speed up to at least 30 knots, but if we can get that speed then we have a potentially good intermediate between the Destroyers and light Cruisers both scouting and screening and the Large Cruisers both scouting and sweeping away the opposing scouts. With good range it might make a suitable raider. The USN and IJN eventually got to 10,000 tons plus mostly for range, the USN settling into their superlative 8-inch guns. I think we might yet see a cruiser race. I think the 8-inch (-ish) gunnery is about all that cruisers excel with, beyond that we get over gunned and over sized ships intruding into the battle line without the right protection, albeit Germany seemed closer to do so well, and thus my opinion they captured the de facto usage best.Really because the entire point of armoured cruisers was as commerce raider hunter and heavy anti scouting unit. And for decades almost every RN armoured and first class protected cruisers mounted 9.2 in guns. The idea that 12in cruisers were inevitable does not at all seem apparent.
Indeed whilst Armoured cruisers were essentially predreadnought battleships writ small with about 25% higher speed, the battle cruisers (especially the RN ones) involved an entirely different balance, the early ones had weaker armour than preceding armoured cruisers, whilst having similar displacements and armament to their counterpart battleships.
All that tonnage and machinery came at a cost and the battle cruisers often came in far more expensive than contemporary dreadnoughts. The only reasoning to do this, and what would possibly be worth the exorbitant cost, would be to decisively overmatch opposing scouting and raiding forces.
If steady progressive evolution of the armoured cruiser concept is what you are looking for it would be a slightly faster, slightly more heavily armed Blucher. An all big gun armoured cruiser. Perhaps once the super dreadnoughts appeared, and got upgunned to 13.5in you might have seen an increase in gun calibre, maybe to 10 or even 11in.
12in gun armoured cruisers might have appeared under tis paradigm around the same time as 16in battleships.
Personally I think your over estimating the technology of the royal navy, superfiering turrets where gust as important as the drednout and as ww1 showed there where more then one way in which th RN where behind tactically and technically to there piers. It gust never madered because numbers have always been the RN RN chief advantage.If anyone will jump a "generation" it should be the RN after they did so with Dreadnought. But without a push from German ships we do take away some incentives.
I imagine Germany building two ship classes instead of OTL 5 in pre-dreadnoughts and halving their fleet. That feels more aligned to counter France. Does that derail the race? But that might build more cruisers, ostensibly for foreign stations, but obviously also a raider threat. I think the later is more unsettling to the Admiralty.
I don't think superfiring was as important as dreadnought herself, certainly important, saved a lot of space and weight, but not as revolutionaryas dreadnought.Personally I think your over estimating the technology of the royal navy, superfiering turrets where gust as important as the drednout and as ww1 showed there where more then one way in which th RN where behind tactically and technically to there piers. It gust never madered because numbers have always been the RN RN chief advantage.
They would probably lean even more into the fast, over gun BC even if the butcher would probably be a better design for a colonial capital ship.