DBWI East Francia/Germany is Holy Roman Emperor not West Francia

The Normans inherited the Holy Roman Empire from the Carolingians which means West Francia, Burgundy and Italy, and in 1066 Emperor William I of HRE annexed England and killed King Harold, would this still happen if East Francia is instead the HRE?
 
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Would have had a far cooler relationship with the Eastern Roman Empire due to closer proximity to and thereby conflicts over the Croatian-Dalmatian provinces. There might never have been an official transfer of the old western imperial regalia in 1204 due to that, recognising the the Wests authority as equals.
Of course an Eastern Frankia holding the imperial title would have not been able to keep as tight a hold over Italy and Rome as the empire does today.
If we still go by events that William is still born and gets his claim on England recognised then we would probably see a much more norman cultured England and Wales rather than the Anglo-saxon high kingdom, with a king who only nominally submits to the Emperors authority.
 
The Normans inherited the Holy Roman Empire from the Carolingians
OOC: How would such an event come to pass? There were many other Frankish nobles to take the Crown.

There were other powerful players within West Francia such as the Robertians who were the powerful Count of Paris giving them lots of influence in the region that allowed for their election to the throne.

When the Duchy of Normandy was formed the Ottonians should also be around as the powerful dukes of Saxony or even the Stem Duchy of Bavaria that would likely claim the East Francian Crown if say the rise of the Ottonians is arrested. The East Francian Kingdom was able to enforce its hegemony over West Francia under the Ottonians in otl.

As for the Normans, to hold the Imperial title they would need the Crown of Italy along with Papal sanction. In a period of such weakness its likely that whoever is King of Italy actually thrives and holds the Imperial Title. Berengar of Italy during the interregnum following the collapse of Carolingian hegemony was one such claimant to the Imperial Crown.

old western imperial regalia in 1204
OOC: Why 1204? That's such an arbitrary number. The Carolingians and Macedonians (Ruling dynasty of Rhomania) were undergoing a gradual rapprochement/warming of relations. This was continuing with the Ottonians. Basil II was actually getting close to the Ottonians and was planning to have his niece the later Empress (regnant) Zoe, marry Otto III. Otto III was already half-Byzantine and planned on introducing Byzantine style reforms into the Empire. He had also plans to revive old Roman institutions as well as assert his power in Italy. He died prematurely from illness. But had he lived and been somewhat successful this would see the Ottonians and Macedonians recognize each other as essentially equals. The Byzantines under Constantine VII I think recognized the Carolingian Empire as an equal parallel Empire rather than as a fraternal "Western Roman Empire." A few more years of intermarriage between the royals and nobles of both realms and you might get this "exchange of regalia" much earlier.
 
Would have had a far cooler relationship with the Eastern Roman Empire due to closer proximity to and thereby conflicts over the Croatian-Dalmatian provinces. There might never have been an official transfer of the old western imperial regalia in 1204 due to that, recognising the the Wests authority as equals.
Of course an Eastern Frankia holding the imperial title would have not been able to keep as tight a hold over Italy and Rome as the empire does today.
If we still go by events that William is still born and gets his claim on England recognised then we would probably see a much more norman cultured England and Wales rather than the Anglo-saxon high kingdom, with a king who only nominally submits to the Emperors authority.
Why both East and West Francia, face the same major hindrance for the control of Italy, the Alps...
 
@Basileus_Komnenos: hence why Otto II and Otto III are remembered a bit less fondly north of the Alps. They basically were abandoning their Germanic (Saxon) powerbase for far less loyal Italians... And their power stems from the Franks, Saxons, Bavarians and Swabians, not the Italians. I understand the appeal of being the true Roman Emperor in the Catholic world, but why do you want to mimick the Eastern Romans? A rapprochement is something different, and probably much needed. The HRE basically is the WRE reborn, the Eastern Roman Empire has for worse enemies, than to enter into a pissing contest with their counterpart in the Catholic West.
 
I remember that during the death of Louis V of West Francia, the Normans secured the rule of West Francia and annexed both Arles and later Italy afterwards, they married a Carolingian Princess, a daughter of Louis V as I remember as the only remaining male line of the Carolingians are illegitimate aside from him, they secured the support of the Duke of Aquitaine due to the Duke being related to them by marriage.

I think the Robertians would not do the trick done by the Normans, they are only remembered as Dukes of Burgundy.


Would have had a far cooler relationship with the Eastern Roman Empire due to closer proximity to and thereby conflicts over the Croatian-Dalmatian provinces. There might never have been an official transfer of the old western imperial regalia in 1204 due to that, recognising the the Wests authority as equals.
Of course an Eastern Frankia holding the imperial title would have not been able to keep as tight a hold over Italy and Rome as the empire does today.
If we still go by events that William is still born and gets his claim on England recognised then we would probably see a much more norman cultured England and Wales rather than the Anglo-saxon high kingdom, with a king who only nominally submits to the Emperors authority.
That is because when the House of Blois inherited HRE in the 1200s after the Norman dynasty got extinct in the male line and Norman was completely displaced by Aquitainian, the House of Blois had already Aquitaine due to marrying Alienor of Aquitaine which shifted the language of the HRE completely from Norman to *Aquitainian/Catalan and the Capital is already Lyons but during the reign of the Normans the Aquitainian language was already displacing Norman.



*OTL Occitan/Catalan
 
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