Could the US do a Dunkirk for Battan?

Would it be possible for the US to send more ships just to evacuate, not re enforce Battan?
 
Would it be possible for the US to send more ships just to evacuate, not re enforce Battan?
No, unlike Dunkirk where Britain had naval superiority and could contest the air, Japan had Air Supremacy and Naval superiority at Bataan, getting people out could be done, but only a few at a time with a very high risk of loss

Plus Bataan is much farther from any evacuation zone, Britain is right across the channel from Dunkirk, you could use small craft for the 45 mile trip, the Philippines are 2000 miles from Australia, 5000 from Hawaii, nowhere else capable of accommodating them would be more than temporary respite and require another evac
 

SsgtC

Banned
If you can send ships to evacuate, you can send ships with supplies and reinforcements. You'd be punching ships through heavy Japanese air and naval forces. If you're going to risk that to begin with, you might as well load those ships up with supplies and more men and fight to take the island back
 
Unfortunately, the US didn't really have the men and equipment to do that in 1941/early 42. It took time to build the forces and logistics to liberate the Philippines.
 
If the USN is in a strong enough position to evacuate Bataan, they will also be in a strong enough position to have it not happen in the first place.
 

SsgtC

Banned
Unfortunately, the US didn't really have the men and equipment to do that in 1941/early 42. It took time to build the forces and logistics to liberate the Philippines.
If the USN is in a strong enough position to evacuate Bataan, they will also be in a strong enough position to have it not happen in the first place.
Yes, to both of these. @Crowbar Six of course they didn't have the ability to do what I suggested. But as @wcv215 said, if the US is strong enough to punch ships through to Bataan to evacuate, they're strong enough to punch those same ships through loaded to the gunnels with supplies and more men.
 

HJ Tulp

Donor
The USN sailing to the rescue of the Phillipines was part of War Plan Orange untill the beginning of the '30s(?). After that they decided it was pretty much suicide. This was before the Pacific battlefleet got sunk at Pearl Harbour.

Bataan and the Philippines had been given up way, way before the first shot of the war was even fired.
 
The USN sailing to the rescue of the Phillipines was part of War Plan Orange untill the beginning of the '30s(?). ...

Even in the 1920s it was seen as impractical by the admirals. Any reference in WP ORANGE to a rescue was more of a nod to the Philippines business lobby than reality. Hector Bywaters book 'The Great pacific War' was based on a 1924 Navy war game where a early relief effort was curb stomped by the enemy Red navy.

US Marine officer Maj Pete Ellis had been up dating portions of WPO in the early 1920s. He wrote detailed analysis's of exactly how a series of islands would be seized as advanced naval bases for methodically advancing across the Pacific to isolate Japan from the PI & blockade Japan. His report on 'Advanced Bases in Micronesia' turned the hypotheticals from the early war-games into a solid template for preparing for landing operations on the Pacific islands.
 
Unfortunately, the US didn't really have the men and equipment to do that in 1941/early 42. It took time to build the forces and logistics to liberate the Philippines.
I wonder if perhaps they could have kept a couple of old destroyers hidden somewhere near Battan and perhaps used them to evacuate some of the wounded under the cover of darkness late in the campaign ?
 
Admiral Harts Asiatic or Far Eastern fleet mostly withdrew during December when the Cavite naval base became indefensible against Japanese air attacks. A flotilla of PT boats was left behind, but anything larger could not be concealed against sustained air operations & any remaining fuel supplies were vulnerable. The torpedo boat flotilla was used to evacuate the CAST radio intel team. They had direct knowledge of what Japanese radio codes & encryption had been broken. MacArthur, his wife, and son were taken along with the CAST team.
 
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