Challenge:President Gus Hall

dcd

Banned
No Soviet invasion or violent revolution.Gus Hall must be elected.Nixon style shenanigans are fine if absolutely necessary,but at the end of the day Hall's victory must be "legitimate".
EDIT:No ASB.No Pre-1970 POD either if possible.Don't want to make this too easy.:)
 
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Ulyanovsk

Donor
Given both the US political climate during literally any of his campaigns and the fact that at any given point CPUSA was pretty heavily infiltrated by the FBI (I read somewhere that at one point in the 1960s, 1 in 10 members was an agent or an informer), I think it's essentially ASB without some radical restructuring of American politics or society that would more than likely require a PoD before 1900, much less pre 1970...
 
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Hall's years in prison change him. He sees now that human nature makes Communism a naive fantasy: mankind lives in a dog-eat-dog world and always will. He pumps iron and discusses politics and power with fellow prisoner George "Machine Gun" Kelly; and also begins writing a book along the lines of "Mein Kampf" meets "None Dare Call It Treason" (but way more readable, like a Reader's Digest version of both).
 
Hall's years in prison change him. He sees now that human nature makes Communism a naive fantasy: mankind lives in a dog-eat-dog world and always will.

None of the major Communists imprisoned under the Smith Act repudiated Communism as a result of their imprisonment. Some did leave the party for the same reasons many non-imprisoned Communists did so--the events of 1956 and the realization that John Gates' efforts to reform the Party were doomed. But Hall was among the Communists least upset by the Khrushchev "secret speech" and least open to fundamental reform of the Party; compared to him even Eugene Dennis looks like a reformer.
 

dcd

Banned
Given both the US political climate during literally any of his campaigns and the fact that at any given point CPUSA was pretty heavily infiltrated by the FBI (I read somewhere that at one point in the 1960s, 1 in 10 members was an agent or an informer), I think it's essentially ASB without some radical restructuring of American politics or society that would more than likely require a PoD before 1900...
That's why it's a challenge...
 

dcd

Banned
In that case, it failed. There is simply no conceivable way that he could be POTUS without a POD in the 1880s. Lyndon LaRouche had more of a shot then him.
In that case, it failed. There is simply no conceivable way that he could be POTUS without a POD in the 1880s. Lyndon LaRouche had more of a shot then him.
Quitter.
Gus Hall (Arvo Kustaa Halberg)'s Finnish-American Communist parents decide to emigrate with Gus to Soviet Karelia to help build socialism there. Young Gus becomes a protege of Otto Kuusinen and eventually succeeds Adolf Taimi as President--of the Karelo-FInnish SSR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Taimi
Okay,that was clever.
 
Quitter.

Okay,that was clever.
I don’t think you understand how alternate history works. You can’t just butterfly anything away to fit your fantasy. This challenge has to many obstacles.

“Challenge: make Hitler President if the United States with a POD of 1946.”
 
None of the major Communists imprisoned under the Smith Act repudiated Communism as a result of their imprisonment. Some did leave the party for the same reasons many non-imprisoned Communists did so--the events of 1956 and the realization that John Gates' efforts to reform the Party were doomed. But Hall was among the Communists least upset by the Khrushchev "secret speech" and least open to fundamental reform of the Party; compared to him even Eugene Dennis looks like a reformer.

Granted; but flipping him into the born-again poster boy for anticommunism is pretty much the only way he's going to get elected President during the Cold War.
 
I can only really see it happening if he gets disillusioned with his parents' radicalism at a young age and joins a mainstream party as a reformist politician, but at that point you're dealing with a nearly unrecognizable guy and even then it's no guarantee he'd have an easy path to political power.
 

samcster94

Banned
He has less chance than Madonna at winning the Presidency. Him as a mayor or a House member if he moderates is a maybe, but he couldn’t be a Communist.
 

dcd

Banned
I don’t think you understand how alternate history works. You can’t just butterfly anything away to fit your fantasy. This challenge has to many obstacles.

“Challenge: make Hitler President if the United States with a POD of 1946.”
That was unnecessary and frivolous.Hall was an American politician of repute,if an outsider.And he did run for President.
Third party candidates have gotten close to victory before.The key is publicity,to reach the "silent majority"of politically receptive voters.
The challenge is how to get Hall to the level that Ross Perot and Ralph Nader reached,and go from there.
 
That was unnecessary and frivolous.Hall was an American politician of repute,if an outsider.And he did run for President.
Third party candidates have gotten close to victory before.The key is publicity,to reach the "silent majority"of politically receptive voters.
The challenge is how to get Hall to the level that Ross Perot and Ralph Nader reached,and go from there.
Repute? Nobody knows the Communist Party exists today. It was the same way by the late 1960s. There’s no conceivable way to change that without going back to the Guilded Era for a POD. Ralph Nader and Ross Perot didn’t “come close” to winning. Running for President and coming in like 12th place isn’t “repute.”

This thread is what’s unnecessary and frivolous. The “silent majority” doesn’t exist, because less than 0 .50% percent of Americans would actually support a guy. The more publicity Hall gets, the less support he’d get.

The CPUSA endorses Democratic candidates these days. The Party for Socialism & Liberation is more relevant then then. Same with Socialist Alternative, the Socialist Workers Party, and the Peace & Freedom Party.
 
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dcd

Banned
Repute? Nobody knows the Communist Party exists today. It didn’t then. There’s no conceivable way to change that without going back to the Guilded Era for a POD. Ralph Nader and Ross Perot didn’t “come close” to winning. Running for President and coming in like 12th place isn’t “repute.”

This thread is what’s unnecessary and frivolous. The “silent majority” doesn’t exist, because less than 0 .50% percent of Americans would actually support a guy. The more publicity Hall gets, the less support he’d get.
I suggest you read the TL,A Giant Sucking Sound to see my point.
 

dcd

Banned
I have. What does that have to do with Gus Hall? Gus Hall is no Ross Perot. He's not even Leonard Peltier for God's sake.
Pal,pal,pal...the challenge is to find a path to get Hall to the same position Ross achieved OTL,and go from there.
 
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Perot was selling protectionism and tax cuts for small businesses. Hall is selling Red Communism (unless he Birches out). That's not going to resonate after 1950, Americans associate it with Stalin.
 
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