I hope we get an update all about mexico in the future I cant wait to get to learn more about it
Unless the Idwaits take to cavalry raiding, Egypt and Ethiopia will ignore them. At this point, the Idwait Malikate is reduced to the old Kingdom of Makuria minus Soba, or from the First Cataract to the Sixth, if I remember correctly. This is a vast, rugged and poor area, unimportant geopolitically until the Cataracts can be gotten rid of.Will that Idwait state be able to survive long term or is it only a matter of time before Egypt and Ethiopia decide they pose too much of a liability
The decentralized structure is another one of those issues that were unintended originally, but came up when I was looking at the structure I’d created, the same as when I realized that I had a bunch of Kephales but no middling superiors between them and the Logothete. I’d created three Katepanates without thinking through the implications at the time. But issues like these are fun to run with; plus I feel they make events more organic. There’s not some master plan guiding everything, but people muddling through and rolling with what they have.Nice to read an update while I'm at home stuck on a dull conference call, glad to see you are back in the saddle.
This decentralized nature of the fleets could be bad news once this Spanish Armada arrives. It could feasibly defeat all those ships in detail rather than fight one massive pitched battle. Then again, there's a better chance half the crew dies of various illnesses before even hitting Taprobane and the Armada goes out with a whimper. I guess we'll wait and see.
Something certainly needs to be done to coordinate policy in matters that are inter-Katepanate in nature. The Katepano of Pyrgos can deal with the Sulu on his own, but there needs to be a unified policy on the Spanish, for example. You can’t have a situation where one Katepano (Taprobane) wants to ally with them, while another (Pahang) wants to shoot them.This means that the Spanish Armada will force Constantinople and the Katepanates to consolidate themselves to create a unified command in the east. We might see the rise of a new governmental rank to deal with local issues without having to communicate with the heartland: Dominions. Dominion of Island Asia to unify the Spice Islands, Malay Peninsula, and the Herakleian Islands into one authority.
I'm sure the Latins will copy this structure for their American colonies as well.
Thanks. The Wu are immigrants that fled Australia Wu before the collapse.Fantastic update!
When you refer to the Wu do you mean the Australian Wu or another group of Wu exiles?
Also here's the map with Borneo and the Phillipenes changed according to the update. Lemme know if there's anything I should change
Well, I would point out that ‘Spanish Armada’ isn’t a term I’ve ever used. But when everyone is running around mostly with armed merchantmen and light warships, just ten battle-line ships is a serious force.I foresee an Exarch of the East to be appointed after the Spanish Armada burns itself out. 1 person with the authority to command all the fleet and ship lords in times of crisis. You would have to make it either a VERY trusted member of the state or some way to sharply limit its powers; perhaps saying that authority can only be exercised when Exarch declares an emergency and than must return to Constantinople at the conclusion to both justify why it was called and also to get him out of the area before power can be consolidated.
So I was looking at OTL and expeditions that could be comparable to this Spanish Armada and I genuinely could not find anything comparable. It makes me wonder how this will go. I mean there has to be a reason that it was never done in OTL. Perhaps Spain and its merchant class leverage themselves to the hilt to outfit and send it only for it to fall apart as soon as it arrives. A couple of the larger ships have disease outbreak that wipe out their crews, another couple go pirate after seeing how lucrative it could be, the rest get to the Spanish viceroyalty and realize that the capability to support these ships doesn’t exist. Or maybe with disease breaking out the Spanish admiral does something stupid like trying to force a Vijiyanagar port open to provision and incurs the wrath of the Vijiyanagar fleet.
Napoleon will be showing up soon, although not in the next update.Glad that you got home safe among all this chaos and craziness B444!
Just caught up on the past few weeks and it's definitely good to get an overview of the colonies, but I'm much more excited to get stuck into the Middle Kingdom! Will we see Napoleon make an appearance?
Vijayanagar doesn’t do much in playing favorites in terms of hiring foreign adventurers. Their loyalty and competence is what matters. Vijayanagar has a whole slew of foreigners in its service, from Scandinavians to Afghans.Seems like Rhomania should send out a Grand Armada of their own once they can.
I wonder whether Vijaynagar has a ranking system of preferred foreigners (mayhaps ones they are open to joining an alliance with), aside from the Triunes who have firmly aligned themselves against the Vijaynagari.
Made an alliance map for anybody interested in visualizing the complex web of diplomacy (albeit simplified and most definitely incomplete)
The easiest source of Mexican-Roman tensions I can see happening right now is if one of the parties started playing cute with the Pyrgos trade. If the Katepano tried to squeeze the Mexicans harder on import/export duties in Pyrgos, the Mexicans would be offended. If Mexico decided to shift operations to, say, Okinawa as their west Pacific base, perhaps for a better deal on customs duties, the Romans would be offended.That graph is great, and really illustrates how big a win it would be for either pact to bring Vijaynagar on side.
It'll be very interesting to see Mexico and Vijaynagar establish themselves as the centres of their own blocs. Even if Mexico has many reasons to lean with the Rhomans now, that isn't a guarantee (though I'm hard pressed to see where a conflict would come from at the moment).
What is also highlights though is the three soft-Empires the Rhomans have.
1) Eastern Europe - This one has been discussed to death
2) NW Indian Ocean - This really is the natural opposition to a Vijaynagar that was focused on naval expansion. Their current stance is great, but highlights quite how easily an Ottoman-Vijaynagar pact could be a disaster for the Rhoman Empire. Alternatively, Vijaynagar being pro-Rhoman traps the Ottomans economically.
3) SE Asia & Japan - This is the one that has the most immediate potential, and will either sink or swim based on the Spanish Armada I expect. If the Rhomans win and have significant resources in the area, they can really tear apart their opponents in the area. Dai Viet would be exposed, Zeng would be very much alarmed, which could sour Ottoman Relations, or solidify them. It's really knife-edge between Soft Super-Indonesia, and potential disaster. It also has the potential to rival Zeng and Vijaynagar, which would be insane as only PART of the Rhoman world.
I don’t want to turn this into a complete Roman-wank. I want Rhomania to be successful and dominant in its own sphere, but other powers can be comparable or even greater powers in their own right.I sincerely hope Rome wins out in east Asia. Not "paint the map purple" win, but remain strongest/competive with others. We have OTL to read about failed Byzantium.
Thanks for the correction. Although that works out well with the scenario. The deacon goes out east, learns the language, possibly marries local in the process, and then gets ordained as priest once they’ve established themselves in the new environment.A small nitpick: an Orthodox priest cannot *get* married. A priest must remain in the same state, barring being widowed, that he enters the priesthood as. So if Orthodox clergy were to "marry local" they'd need to do so as a Deacon and then be ordained as a Priest after they are married.
How about people see what I’m actually doing first before calling it ASB?Has the armada even rounded the cape yet? Honestly if more than half that fleet makes it around the cape I'm calling ASB.
I was copying OTL Spanish Manila there, where the Chinese dominated the laundry business.I’m gonna call cultural appropriation on this one chief. Aren’t we Koreans supposed to be the stereotypical laundromat owners? Oppa boutta take the Zheng to the cleaners if you catch my drift...
So like how many strokes per minute do their rowers execute? And how many crew members per shell? I assume each proa is mainly sail powered, but modern day racers in a six-man shell with a single outrigger can go from 70 SPM to 90+ SPM at the professional level. I’m assuming the numbers are similar for military rowers.
Yes, Roman Catholic because the Catholics are primarily German-descent.Prussia is mixed orthidox and catholic right? Are they Avingon or Roman Catholic though?
That’s always a possibility, much as Louis XIV saved Sweden’s bacon after Fehrbellin.Question is if one of them might prop them up to oppose Rome or Russia.
Thanks for the kind words. There have been a lot of fun moments along the way.Hoo boy. Read this TL from start to finish, and I am without enough words to express my sheer *awe*. Lack of nice maps notwithstanding, this was a real rollercoaster ride. From Nikaia to Konstantinoupolis to Alexandria to Singapore! @Basileus444, this is a true masterpiece. Yes, the first parts were a bit spotty on details (I refuse to believe Shah Rukh marched that big an army across the breadth of Asia and not lose atleast a third of it), but it improves substantially later on. So many memorable people, places and events. Second Manzikert, Cappadocian Caesarea, the Black Day, the end of Venice, that one time two emperors died of strokes and heart attacks, the exploits of Andreas the Victor, especially at that ancient field, the Dragon's last roar, the making (and breaking) of Lith+Nov!Russia, Romania in the East, Ethiopia resurgent (and Brihan of Merawi, can't forget her) and so much more. I wish history courses in school were based on this rather than modern history. Certainly there would be better maps.
Romania has lived for 2500 years, may she live for 2500 years more! I want to see how the 3000th anniversary of Romania would be celebrated in the future, at the very end of this TL.
Will that Idwait state be able to survive long term or is it only a matter of time before Egypt and Ethiopia decide they pose too much of a liability
The Idwaits have a really good defense is that the territory they hold is both very poor and very rugged. Unless they become too much of a stink for their neighbors, they’re not worth conquering.Unless the Idwaits take to cavalry raiding, Egypt and Ethiopia will ignore them. At this point, the Idwait Malikate is reduced to the old Kingdom of Makuria minus Soba, or from the First Cataract to the Sixth, if I remember correctly. This is a vast, rugged and poor area, unimportant geopolitically until the Cataracts can be gotten rid of.
As to whether the Idwaits survive... Atleast the succession is more secure. But only B444 knows whether they will flourish or go the way of the Lords of the Great South.
Taprobane’s different than Island Asia since there’s only one Katepano there and he’s definitely in charge. It’s over in the east with three high officials all of the same rank where things get complicated.As for Exarchs, I think there should be two: one for Island Asia and another for India. The Exarch of Pyrgos could deal with everything east of Burma and west of Mexico, while the Exarch of Taprobane could deal with everything between Burma and Baghdad. Of course, both must cooperate with each other as well as with Roman allies like the Japanese.
The city of Mistra (inspired by the OTL town) is built next to the ruins of Sparta and is one of the major cities of southern Hellas.Do people still live in the area around sparta? Will it ever be rebuilt if not?
I wouldn’t know; I don’t drink coffee.I wonder how Rhoman kaffos differs in taste from the kind of cofee we have today.
I admit, that’s two good points that I didn’t think of.Yeah @Basileus444, I get what you are saying, but the problem is that the Taprobani Katepano already is the de facto Exarch of Roman India. I don't think he'll take kindly to an Exarch lording it over him, especially if said Exarch happens to have his HQ in Island Asia (which is probably what is going to happen). On top of that, even if one limits the Exarch's competency to Island Asia only, he still technically outranks the Taprobani Katepano. Better to elevate the Taprobani Katepanate into a separate Exarchate than to deal with the constant complaints that would inevitably arise between the Taprobani Katepano and the Exarch of the East.
Moreover, as we have seen, the East is very rich, and Imperial naval power can't be sent in full force without a lot of time and money. If there is only one Exarch, and he decides that Romania is being a bit too pushy, and gets (bribes) most of the Ship Lords and, say, the Spanish to back him, how will Romania get back the East? Two Exarchs, in contrast, would likely balance each other out, in my opinion.
Most definitely. One of the reason’s Monemvasia is so prominent at this point ITTL is that it’s cornered the market on exporting the wine and olive oil of the southern Peloponnesus, including the Vale of Sparta, to the rest of the Empire and beyond.Exporting olives and wine, yes?
Given the extent of Chinese traders in the Herakleians, there’ll certainly be Herakleians of Chinese descent as well, and definitely those of Japanese descent too. The Ronin colonies seemed a good way to illustrate that TTL Japan is much more involved and interactive with the outside world ITTL. I’m currently debating where I want to place the TTL Tokugawa and one of my ideas is for them to be one of the most prominent Ronin and their Japanese-Herakleian descendants to be major notables in the Herakleians in the future.Finally we get to see the rest of the Colonies. It's interesting to see Ronins mingling with Heracliean locals, given in OTL we Filipinos do have folks of Chinese descent it's cool that here some Heraclieans will probably be able to trace their ancestry to some Japanese clans (Hell I bet thre's a Miyamoto Musashi analogue somewhere within the ronin colonies). The whole coming of the Spanish Armada reminds me of that one time the British invaded the Philippine islands before the locals drove them away and the Spaniards returning. Here though there's going to be a more organized resistance.
Though unless the other Katepanates do join forces there's a risk losing Pyrgos and the surrounding areas. Also I'm glad to see the Sultanate of Sulu have some semblance of resistance to the Christian power in the region (Rhome ITTL, Spain OTL). I wonder how long will they last here given the Sultanate lasted all the way till the Americans came and went.
Yeah i was thinking the same thing. I miss Turkish coffee so much, there was a serbian restaurant that had the best Turkish coffee but is closed due to the quarantineI feel they would find the everyday coffee weak, and watery. Thinking of something analogous to Turkish, or Levantine coffee. You have to almost cut it with scissors, but what a flavour.