Alternative Soviet Navy during World War II.

Part 1.
Let's start with the fact that the Soviet Navy during the Great Patriotic War was ineffective, not because of the quality of domestic ships, and above all because of the lack of a clear understanding of what is actually needed this fleet.
Pre-war naval admirals imagined battle with British ships-raid and mine warfare overlapping of everything gigantic obstacles. No one could not imagine what would have engaged in boring convoy duty, die in mine own, over their heads will be constantly hanging enemy aircraft, and the world's largest submarine fleet will find no application in the first place because of the lack of decent navigation enemy within reach. Admirals quickly have learned from the experience and began to hide their ships in the databases, although there were Germans managed to find them and drown. At the outbreak of the war were not used features inter-theater maneuver, the Pacific Fleet stood around waiting for the entry of Japan into the war, but even if the samurai are mad and they fight with the United States, began fighting against the Soviet Union, and even relatively small forces of the Soviet Navy did not could have any effect on the outcome of the war. This was confirmed when, in August 1945, the Soviet-Japanese War. The only relatively large warships involved in the fighting, was old Novik destroyer "Voikov" while new destroyers-"Sevens" and the cruisers "Kalinin" and "Kaganovich" stood camouflaged in the databases.

I'm actually going to talk only about the theoretical aspects of the alternative History, but, as one of my colleagues, the desire to create indestructible, so I will try to create your own script.
Often Russian colleagues in the creation of alternative Soviet fleet, sin desire super upgrade old ships, making them sort of cutting-edge at the time the ships, or try to draw on foreign experience, buying packs the best projects, and even ordering the cruisers and destroyers abroad, forgetting that pay for this outrage would have pure gold, the reserves of which the USSR had not limitless.
In my opinion, when you create a pre-war Soviet Navy were made three major mistakes. The first was that the construction of new ships have started too late, in principle, could lay them already in 1925, but this did not interfere with the notorious collapse and persistent reluctance of management to create the country's largest fleet. Keen on the idea of first world revolution it did not understand the value of the fleet, and only after the final seizure of power by Stalin, the former with all my dislike for him, a real, albeit a kind of patriot, the shift for the better.
The second mistake was refusing to create their own projects, reflected in the purchase of Italian drawings of destroyers and cruisers. The result has been ruined by its own shipbuilding school, and it is only filled his hand in the creation of small ships can proceed to the design of large. In the real story, after creating no few successful leaders of the "Leningrad" and developed the design speed watch ships (torpedo boat on a plan) of the "Uragan", ran for help to the Italians, while at the same time stupid continued to build " Uragan ", not trying to eliminate the design errors.
The third, and in my opinion, the biggest mistake was the assembly of warships in the Far East. As a result, rather than make the ocean voyage, gaining invaluable experience, the sailors went to the Pacific Ocean along the railway. They do a lot to learn! In addition, the complex operation to deliver the dismantled ships to Vladivostok and Komsomolsk-on-Amur, greatly delayed their construction.

In the real story adopted the following range of projects: a destroyer, a light cruiser, battleship. But there was another option: a torpedo boat, a leader, a heavy cruiser. This option seems to me preferable.

Large surface ships.

Began in 1928, as usual, with the leaders, besides the 1st project. The first experience was unsuccessful, as in the real story, but rather than flog a fever received a "miracle" carefully examined for errors and engaged in drawing up a new project.
The following triple got better, so that the two of them ("Yerevan " and "Tbilisi") headed by their own means in the long march to the Black Sea, right on the Pacific, also known as the Great Ocean. Their rate was more moderate, with only 38 knots, but the housing stronger steel and improved navigability.
Soon, their route was repeated "Baku", "Tashkent", "Ashgabat" and "Kiev", which had to 3x2 130-mm gun mount. Next thing moved fun - went to the series, connected to the construction of the Baltic and Black Sea (Naval) shipyards, then the Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and the summer of 1941, the Soviet Navy possessed for 55 large destroyers.
They were distributed as follows: Northern fleet - 10, Baltic Fleet - 16, Black Sea Fleet - 12, Pacific Fleet - 17. Few, of course, a little offensively, but with outdated Noviks has turned 72, but that was small consolation. At least the new watch ships (de facto torpedo boats) they have built a lot of time to it, and took a part in the real story destroyers performed tasks, freeing leaders to very different things.
And no one noticed how the born in the Soviet Union and strengthened "the young school." Heretical thought, incomprehensible to the old military experts have expressed it, but for some reason they listened to the speeches of leaders of the country. Casket was opened just - construction of their proposed aircraft carriers should have been done a lot cheaper cherished "old-men" battleships, the effect they promised truly amazing.
Their first-born was, apparently, has long written off, "Izmail", renamed "Krasny Aviator" and he meant to the Far Eastern flotilla, which since its arrival could already lay claim to a high rank of the fleet.
Soon the tale told, but than done - stuck "Krasny Aviator" on the Baltic Sea right up to 1938, because it was not for him (not thought of the "young") escorts. And it does not matter, but only half the problem: the incessant hikes from Kronstadt to Murmansk and back, forged frames deck aircraft, and though at first frightened sailors Soviet steamship rapidly rushing to their awkward ships red stars torpedo planes, and then attack aircraft, and learned Red Falcons soar (and above board) to its "floating garage" in a fresh and more fresh than the weather deck and the fighters, relatively attacking overly curious British pilots from taking off of aircraft carriers of the potential adversary, to protect his iron house accustomed.
But the time has come, night came samurai border (*), and moved "Krasny Aviator " with two heavy cruisers paved the way leaders, submarines and patrol ships.
Called them "Kirov" and "Kuibyshev" and both of them immediately joined the aircraft carrier, as was "Kuibyshev" from the Black Sea and friends waited at the entrance to the Suez Canal, with a pair of built at the plant named after 61 Communards new leaders.
They were not first-born Soviet construction of cruisers should not have "Dzerzhinsky" and "Sverdlov" all the way to go, their hearts were unreliable-turbines, and weapons - 12 180-mm guns, that three in each tower in common cradles post, was very successful. But the 203-mm cannon two in the new towers, were much more reliable, although a record of long-range designers had to sacrifice.
And leaders have become more powerful, already on the 4x2 130-mm were on them, and some of the men who are in front of sailors from other ships, rice, referred to as their cruisers.
True delayed squadron came to Vladivostok ships, when it ended the conflict in Hassan, were soon in broke Khalkhin-gol stood in the database, because the Japanese have appreciated the increased power of the Pacific Fleet's and blocked them battleships the Sea of Japan, though not shooting, but did not giving the Soviet fleet to enter the ocean. Conclusions from this embarrassment made quickly - after a conflict squadron relocated from Vladivostok to Kamchatka, Primorye leaving only light forces.
In 1941 hardly pulled out of the mouth of the Amur built in Komsomolsk heavy cruiser "Chapaev" and "Ordzhonikidze".
Bottoms with ships so stoned that the three months they spent on the docks, repair, and "Ordzhonikidze" still waiting for their turn, so that all six months, consider dawdle. Wiped the sweat from his brows and made a vow continue to do so, and there is inherent "Lazo" on needles made out. Built since the Komsomolsk only destroyers and boats underwater.
In 1941 there was a huge disaster, and the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet was mortal combat. The Pacific Fleet is out of work was, though, and poured the blood of the heart of seafarers when they heard news from the West denunciations. Since the September 41-th five Baltic leaders agreed in a fierce battle with the German cruiser "Leipzig" and "Emden" shelled positions of our troops. No one has survived, but the "Leipzig", four torpedoes struck, he went to measure the depth of the sea, and the victory seemed "Emden" also torpedo his word, the course lost and found one tooth came up "Dzerzhinsky". But for a whole extra month German forces stuck on Moonzund Islands.
Meanwhile, went to the northern ports of the caravans with arms from Britain but the U.S., and we ought to be on the cover of German aircraft and boats underwater, but the thing - have been blocked by the large Soviet ships in the Baltic and Black seas, and it was not his way north. Because in January 1942, when it became clear that the Japanese would not fight with the Soviet Union, moved the Pacific fleet in the long march, but just not to the west and the east. With great care went, after all, the U.S. coast Japanese submarine snooping around, and U.S. submarines could not figured out a torpedo planted in the Soviet aircraft carrier. But passed through the Panama Canal, then a tropical Caribbean. In New York, however, had to stay until the put American workers on Soviet ships new anti-aircraft guns and fire control. But pilots do not spend time in vain, they managed to fly from the deck of U.S. aircraft carriers with their pilots combat training passes and though not all (it was), the Americans showed, but the eyes and ears of the Soviet people, too, are not in vain. And when I finally came to the sea, holding a course to port in Reykjavik, on the volcanic island that was, standing in the hangar of the "Krasny Aviator" is not decrepit R-Z and I-15-bis, but newcomers "Devastators ", "Dauntless" and "Wildcats ".
Was a force: aircraft carrier, three heavy cruisers, and eight of the best Pacific leaders, and already at the transition squadron showed their strength: carrier-based aircraft sank the German submarine, not in time to meet the pop, and the other leaders of the long pursued, and found even sunk, just after the war, it became clear that it was possible to crawl to Brest, where she got a protracted repairs. Anyway, all are allies was easier.
In Reykjavik caught formed convoy PQ-17 and joined the Anglo-American fleet transports precious cargo cover, but it soon became known, "Tirpitz" in guests waiting.
When, in obedience to the stupid will of his Command, left the British and American battleships with escort ships, disbanded the convoy at the mercy of the Nazi pilots and submariners leaving, we had to collect the Pacific Fleet in scattered in the ocean transports, and then escort them to the Soviet ports. Not for nothing was given to the Soviet seamen this task quite near Murmansk, the Nazi U-boat torpedoed the "Sokrushitelny" and did not see much of his crew home port, but as much as 23 vehicles managed to bring them, though and laments the British Admiralty, which is unlikely now at least one will survive.
And in Murmansk was already a Molotovsk built new aircraft carrier "Gromov".
Though he was less old "Krasny Aviator," but almost half as many planes could carry in their hangars, and even during the completion of anti-aircraft guns added to the Lend-Lease. It is a pity that even larger "Levanevsky" after the war had to make out, there was no metal in the country and men, but oh well already after the first of the Northern Fleet carrier striking force an easy life in the German battleships and cruisers over. Never again came "Tirpitz" at sea, and risked to leave their base "Scharnhorst" received three torpedoes from the Soviet "Avengers" and was finished off the approaching British squadron.
But the honored veterans did not have to live to win. In late 1944, new acoustic torpedo’s from the German submarine found aboard the "Krasny Aviator" and left the old aircraft carrier to the bottom, mourned with the plaintive wail of sirens escorts. It is easier, however, the Nazis from this no more - the squadron had already entered finally unfinished, battleship "Sovetskaya Belorussia".
Started building it back in the pre-war in 1937, a year later Leningrad "Soviet Russia" and Nicholaev "Soviet Ukraine." Were not lost to their torment designers with projects cruisers, battleships were new not as big as first feared, but only by 40,000 tons standard displacement. But they were armed to fame: from 9 406-mm guns, no "Tirpitz" life chances do not leave, but the armor 356 mm artillery covering the cellar, that engine rooms were poorly protected - only 330 mm. Their rate was only 28 knots, which is less than the course of German battleships, yes stormy ocean (and when he did not storm?), no running track, and once the knot does not play a major role.
"Russia" with "Ukraine" at the end of 1941 came into operation, but did not have them in an artillery battle with equal opponents fight, more fascist forces shelled positions. Black Sea Fleet have only one life to the enemy destroying the oil port of Constanta in the flaming ruins of turning, but Nazi pilots on alert, barely crawled wounded "Soviet Ukraine" to Poti, where he stood before the end of the war, hung with caissons. But the heavy cruiser "Zheleznyakov" did not reach, capsized and sank halfway home. What to do? Unfinished aircraft carrier "Rychagov," with "Gromov" single type, for the Pacific Fleet's meant not completed, it was the same case in Poti, that held sway over the fascist vultures Black Sea, Russian sea.
In February 1945, The Great Patriotic War finished , as it should be - the capture of Berlin. But the Baltic squadron of aircraft carrier "Chkalov", the heavy cruiser "Frunze" and six leaders met the day of victory is not in the home port, go into the storm far out to sea (**). Full swing Soviet ships across the Atlantic, not saving fuel, refueling on the way to the British and American tankers. Lying their way to the now familiar Soviet seamen Panama Canal, which has already been through, coming before North Sea squadron.
In early May 1945 concentrated in Avacha Bay ships were fully ready to start fighting. Oppose two Soviet aircraft carriers, the four heavy cruisers and 22 leaders, the Japanese had nothing. And flashed red stars planes over Sakhalin and the Kuriles, the Korean Peninsula and even to Hokkaido.
And not the poor, forgotten cousin, met the Soviet fleet end of the Second World War - next to the American "Missouri", which came into Tokyo Bay was as equal a heavy cruiser "Frunze".

* Words from the Soviet smash-hit 30s: "Samurai decided to cross the border at night by the river."
** Words from the Soviet smash-hit 30s: "To go away in a storm at sea, sent us the country."
 
Part 2.

1.

They were called guard ships, which allowed them to compare the sly from England sloops and corvettes do not have no torpedo or a decent stroke. Pretended to have forgotten about the British patrol convoy mission and the fact that our "Smerch", "Prytky" and "Rezvy" had to solve problems big and small attack enemy ships in the narrow straits and the Finnish archipelago. Needed against the first torpedo numerous, rapid-fire weapons against the latter. And of course a little more speed, as without it.
In 1925 he laid the SKR project number 2, number six. Four of them were intended for the Baltic Sea, and another two for the Sea, the Black Sea.
When the test came to the first "Smerch" customer representatives gasped - too skewed heavily boats went out, but more importantly, cherished project of 29 knots, however tried, develop and could not. Some of the designers sat down for a long time, it was said, though they denied his guilt, blaming everything on the steam consumption support mechanisms that the project had been made. And what thought when drawing beautiful painting? Support mechanisms for long dynamo electric invented, and who said that he could not produce them worker-peasant state? That's right - a pest.
Better get the next series, though, and had increase a displacement of 750 tons guard ships.
They were dispersed in tests to 31 nodes, pleasing construction, but again, frowning military experts of state quality, now that was a little torpedo armament, just one triple funny caliber machine - 450 mm. This time, though, no one sat down and presented the terms of reference damned bureaucrats, in which black and white it is adopted by the customer is registered there.
"You should have told you right away that "Noviks" new needs", - said so overjoyed that remained free constructors. "Yes, "Novik" - agreed to sailors. - Only a little. "
"Novik" not "Novik", but they built the new series has two triple devices, and torpedoes are larger - 533 millimeter.
To patrol the Baltic, with time, the third 102-mm cannon added to replace the roundabout, although with reduced seaworthiness, and the rate dropped slightly. Well in the Baltic and is going.
But left guard ships on long hikes through the Suez Canal to the Indian Ocean, and then directly to the harsh shores of the Pacific Ocean, along the way demonstrating the oppressed peoples is their red flags.
Strange things sometimes happened, because many of the seas, oceans Dutchmen Volatile but other miracles, and can not in vain old Homer wrote about the tribes of lotus-eaters. So in early 1937 went to the Pacific Ocean three built in Nikolayev guard ships, yes disappeared somewhere. Only two years later, showed up suddenly "Derzky" and "Dostojny" right in Sevastopol near the wall with the ship repair plant lost memory teams have forgotten completely, where so much of their time was of. Only workers whispered about the strange markings on their add-ons, but comes through on the sides of a hurry through the application of paint mysterious signs, as explained by one of the engineers - the letters are latin. But "Doblestny" and has not returned, he vanished without a trace, like a Sea Serpent swallowed. It was said that in the Baltic so ships sometimes disappear for a time - indeed much of the world still mysteries and not all of them so far advanced proletarian science was able to unravel.
In October 1939, attacked the White Finns Soviet country, but miscalculated hirelings of imperialism, the Red Army stopped them near the Mannerheim line, exhausted in a defensive battle, but the offensive, as much for dropping Vyborg. Here and fleet work found: somehow ambushed two Soviet patrol battleship Finnish "Vyaynemyaynen" that snuck skerries, but drowned torpedoes, once an enemy fleet is almost halved. True and "Prozorlivy" did not save - sank riddled shells and "Metel" at the commencement of the stones and the team ran was blown up. Red Navy commanders commemorated here unkind word tsar Admiral von Essen, for the fact that he took to his grave the secret by which ran its destroyers on skerries moves complete, the rocks are not bumping.
When the war with the Nazis savage was in the Navy Baltic for 23 guard ships different series, and 9 went to the northern seas, 4 on the Black Sea, but 19 to the Pacific Ocean - Great.
At last, in Leningrad and Nikolayev were built for the Pacific Fleet, but did not have time to go there, already on two twin 102-mm guns were universal.
Though they were stronger than decrepit "Noviks", which one of mine, and at times of heavy bombs were scattered, but neither are much smaller than their size. And drowned in the cold Baltic water SKRs under a hail of bombs fascist "U-87", and under the shells of German cruisers and destroyers.
But they are enemies no quarter given: In the spring of 1942 hit the battleship "Ilmarinen" for mine bank, "Redky" and "Rjany" set, and went to the bottom, the terrible ten-inch guns a with a claimed.
In 1944 again reached the Baltic fleet in the sea, the islands of Moonzund Nazi scum cleaning out the assault, and again went to the main work is not a heavy cruiser and leaders are cautious because of the mines of German and humble laborer SKRs. Soon they came near the boundaries of the Swedish territorial waters and Vikings present, the fate of battleships knowing Finnish, German guard rail transport of ore was much more difficult. For boats, the Soviet submarine life freely come. And drowned or were thrown to the Swedish rock transport precious to sweltering German industrial goods, as if avoiding the torpedo attacks, they jumped out of an invisible line, waiting for them there for patrol under the white-blue naval flag.

2.

"Attack of the guys!.. Apparatus tovs!.. Apparatus Fire!.. "And at a run the base" - wrote about them Anatoly Azolsky. These are vedettes.
In 1926 built the first Soviet vedette, with the symbolic name "Pervenets" ("Firstborn") and sent it to the Black Sea, where the first division formed torpedo and patrol boats. Their hard aluminum made, was it actually a float seaplane, with any of its engines and torpedo tubes. Not surprisingly, since it designed the famous Soviet Tupolev aircraft, maritime matters little understood.
Modeled on the "Pervenets " started to build torpedo boats of the type Sh-4, characterized by the presence on their second torpedo, also 450 mm.
Though it did not go torpedo boats on long hikes, severe service was on them for small teams, especially in the latest weather. Bird raced gliding "float" over the smooth water, but the slightest excitement began to ride the mountain goat, the rate of loss of the soul of the crew shaking.
Recalled Ivan Ananyin even by the " Pervenets " commanded that they received extra rations crew boat, rare at the time so the chocolate and condensed milk. And Moscow authorities decided that nothing they scarce products are translated and sent to the high rank of quartermaster, and although the naval jacket, but had never seen the sea, to make sure it with my own eyes what crew boat account.
He came, gazed: paradise. The sun is shining, the sea laps, torpedo boat for the Cape passed, leaving a trace of foam - beauty. Crew boat realized that fate is already decided extra rations (actually their hungry children get) and asked Superintendent torpedo boat ride. Why not? Useful sea walk. And jumped the boat on board with the quartermaster of the bay of cape, where the swell has begun.
When taken out of the quartermaster had returned from a walk boat, he mumbled that small extra rations and will apply it to increase it.
But this is something all right, but seaworthy boats only three points on the raging sea, and most importantly - roads and deficient duralumin body from which boats riveting, and strong corrosion from salt water is exposed. Because after each out to sea, the boat lift roll on the wall, so wipe it all live in water - fresh water.
You ought to build a boat out of wood, but at a high speed, the vibrations to disperse the board in the gap between the water is flowing. boat builders upset, and sailors, wooden cases for themselves worshiping insult, joke joke on them.
Somehow came to the test experienced wooden boat, gave full speed. Then opened the hatch doors machine, but there seemed minder, hefty fish flopping in the hands of powers. Took the fish design department representative and went with her in the engine compartment, it has tried to cracks through which water trickled, but this was the flounder minders in mugs poking until they confessed that previously bought a fish on the bank.
The time is put in its place - remember the designers that were built sometime in the Russian ships with a set of iron, but with wooden paneling, and in 1934, when another Tupolev were busy with his G-5 (fifth gliding), was submitted for testing vedette K-3, which meant a composite three-engine.
The speed of it was less than the gliders - 45 knots, but it was seaworthy notable - as much as five points. Apparatus torpedo on the sides stood platter, but soon found out that the torpedo mounts frosting winter, so that over time they had to develop tubular TA. Before the war, in addition to two DShK, were installed to "Ka-third" automatic guns ShVAK. Although they were not suitable for preventing attacks of enemy aircraft, but the body of enemy boats, patrol torpedo yes properly stitched.
And carried formidable Soviet torpedo boats through the enemy fire, the distance of the torpedo salvo went out, and as for the seaworthiness of a five-point design, the overlapped people with boats prewar standards, not a five-point flurry, and six-seven-point going into the sea.
And on the drawing board design is an outline of the new boats with steel hulls.

3.

Soviet trawlers began with the construction of a small series of project number 3. Good were these ships, fast and maneuverable, and apparently resembled, as Leonid Sobolev proudly wrote to small torpedo boats.
Yes, that's bad luck, was nowhere to build them. Were engaged in Ust-Izhora and Sevastopol plants building guard ships, remaining a small little factory was unable to master such a complicated project. That had to be the designers get back to drawing board drawing. Out new coastal minesweepers more like a pot-bellied traders than warships with their wolfish profile, low-speed - 12 to 14 knots in different series, because it is not enough for all diesels, many with steam engines had to do.
Part at all ashamed to say, is not of steel built was, and from the boards, like a half-forgotten days of sailing ships. Arming them than have: mostly older 57 and 75-mm cannon, the tsar remaining, then-new 102-mm mainly on patrol walked. Only the new ones, before the war, were put into operation, received two universal, 76 mm.
But minesweepers type "Tral" do not forget, they built their small (2-3 units) in series, when there were gaps in the schedule of construction of other ships. And proudly call them as opposed to the base slug - high-speed.
But when the war with Germany began, were ill-suited for high-speed handsome long haul. Coffins are disadvantageous to their diesel mode, dragging a trawl of the heavy at low speeds. Despicable same wooden minesweepers were most in demand, as the Nazis used the treacherous new mines, magnetic, wood, in contrast to the iron is not magnetized. And build new trawlers in Solombala and Sormovo in other plants of the Volga, and to the Pacific Ocean - in Khabarovsk.
 
Probably a lot more plausible than your other timeline - if I could make out what was happening. I know you are doing your best so keep up the good work.
 
Might be more plausible..

only issue i see .. and do not let me discourage you as i love stories of the mother land :)

The Sovetsky Soyuz class of BattleShips only laid down starting in mid 1930's was plagued with quality issues, and delays, and finally just to late. none made completion.

If you start building boats in the 1920's the next issue becomes you are building boats that are 10 years out of date by the time the war starts.

Plus the Civil war and war with Poland had just been completed, Soviet Union was just beginning to modernize its factories and techniques. then you had the many purges of scientists and military.

But Soviet Union had not much need for overly large fleet. would have been smarter to concentrate on the smaller cruisers, destroyers, and subs for coastal protection.

Last and i will reiterate.. The Soviet Union had no real need for Large grandiose navy. what the mother land needed was air power and modern tanks and artillery .. The enemy would be fought on land and in the air .. not on the seas so much..

but by all means proceed :)
 
What I see with the Soviets is that their largest ships were either eventual completion of Imperial designs (Krasni Kavkaz etc) or rebuilds of existing Imperial ships (Oktyabryskya Revolutsya - sure I mangled that spelling!). So, having some outright construction programme earlier would be good for building quicker and better in the late 1930s.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
This alternative,gentlemens, I have relied on identification of infrastructure destruction of naval shipbuilding in the late 20's and early 30's. The fact that commenced while the mass construction of commercial vessels has led to the destruction of valuable equipment in shipyards. Entire huge guilds changed the line, and their machine fleet scrapped. So brand new tower were destroyed shops at the Obukhov and Admiralty plants that were built before the war, for the manufacture of 16 "towers battleships.
thus, if the construction of warships have started earlier, when the equipment has not yet been disposed of, it would be easier to build.
With the gradual, gradually build up the construction of ships, there would be no over-voltage plants, which occurred in the late 1930s, when just one year immediately laid 53 destroyers. Not surprisingly, the industry has overstrained.
 
Soviet leaders of the first generation (projects 1, 14 and 14 bis).

Dear Colleagues. In order to avoid confusion with the frequently changing the names of plants, I used their original (pre-revolutionary) name.
For those unfamiliar with their history, I cite a list of renaming:

Putilov shipyard - North Wharf - Plant number 190 - Plant named Zhdanov - North Wharf.
Nawal - Plant named Marty - Plant number 198 - Black sea Plant.
Russud - Plant number 200 - Plant named 61 Communards.


Project 1.

In the beginning of 1925, the Scientific and Technical Committee (NTKM) was instructed in the three months to draft a destroyer, capable of conducting combat with an enemy light cruisers, to protect the main body from the attacks of the enemy destroyers and support their attacks, that is to solve problems that are typical for the leaders, although the term is in official correspondence to the laying of the first ship of the project number 1 is used very rarely.
In 1926, approved the first six-year shipbuilding program, which involves the construction instead of the previous eight patrol ships, included two "great destroyer" and only six guard ships. Despite this, the design of the new ship proceeded extremely slowly and only in October 1928, the leaders, have been called "Moscow" and "Kharkiv", were laid on the stocks of the plant "Russud." Their project armament consisted of 5 130-mm guns, four 37-mm automatic Vickers and two three-tube torpedo launchers. Three turbo unit with a capacity of 20,000 hp were to provide design speed of 40 knots. Standard displacement was 1,910 tons, the total - 2540 t.
In this case, the design implements the main fire was started only in 1930, and the first new gun 130-mm caliber were made only in 1935. As a result, the leaders of the first weapons upon entry into service consisted of only 5 102 mm guns Obukhov factory (plant Bolshevik) a 60 caliber.
Fig.

1. Moscow 1928-1930-1932 Russud BSF
2. Kharkiv 1928-1931-1934 Russud BSF

Only at the end of 1935 "Moscow" and "Kharkiv" received regular guns.
No better than the case with anti-aircraft weapons - to expand the production of 37-mm machine on Soviet factories and failed. As a result, leaders at the introduction into service has been installed on two 76-mm anti-aircraft guns Lender, later replaced by new instruments of the "34-K" of the same caliber, which added two 45-millimeter semiautomatic.
In 1930, the Office of Naval Forces ordered the Italian firm "Galileo" fire control devices for leaders who were received in 1932, but the ships were established only in 1935, as almost two years were studied by Soviet specialists. In 1934 he began the manufacture of these devices at domestic plants.
Torpedoes also undergone a change: Triple Tube torpedo during construction have been replaced by four-pipe.
Sea trials at the end of the summer of 1932 the leader of the "Moscow" has a top speed 40,4 node with a design capacity of machines. At the same time, however, formed a trim by the stern, as high as 1.5 meters. When the forced operation of the machines (over 65,000 hp), the rate has increased by 0.5 unit, but the trim and increased to 2 meters. After receiving the water tank in the bow, which reduced the trim, speed was 42.3 knots.
Both leaders were a part of the Black Sea Fleet, where he met the beginning of the Great Patriotic War.
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Design displacement: 1910 tons (standard), 2,540 tons (full).
Speed: 39.5 knots, with a power of 60,000 hp machines
Armament: 5x1 130-mm/50 guns, 2x176-mm/56, 2x1 45mm, 2x4 533-mm tubes.
CWL dimensions: 125,0 x 11,3 x 3,45 m.



Project 14.

The upcoming entry into service of the first Soviet aircraft carrier "Krasny Aviator", for it required the construction of escort ships. Those, in addition to being built heavy cruisers were to become the new leaders, but the test of "Moscow" revealed major shortcomings of the project, to what are regarded primarily the lack of seaworthiness and low strength of the body. Trim the stern at full strokes and lack of reliability of turbines also subject to correction.
Mal power of the upgraded project was reduced to 54,000 hp, and the design speed to 38 knots. Changed slightly elongated body contours, which have become more comprehensive in the stern, his strength increased, and the 130-mm gun number 3 was moved from the forecastle to the aft superstructure, which increased its angles of fire.
Originally intended to build only two leaders held for the Pacific Fleet, but the increased activity of the imperialist powers in the Baltic Sea has demanded increasing naval forces there, the more so when one cruiser "Profintern" after an unsuccessful campaign for the Far East was on the Black Sea. The commander of naval forces of the Baltic Sea (MSBM) M. Victorov requested the People's Commissar Voroshilov or return "Profintern" to the Baltic Sea or to allocate a cruiser from the Naval Forces of the Black Sea. In the end, it was decided to reinforce the MSBM three new leaders, the first of which was to be built under the project number 14.
Built on Putilov shipyard "Leningrad" was the first Soviet leaders received 130-mm guns and the fire control devices in Italy. In tests it has a top speed 38.1 knot, but was recognized as far more successful than the previous ships of the project to ensure the seaworthiness of the total population and fighting qualities.
Built in Nikolayev "Erivan" (later "Yerevan") and "Tiflis" (later "Tbilisi") in autumn 1936 went to the Far East, where he joined the Pacific Fleet, joining the two destroyers of the "Novik" that have transferred to Vladivostok That same year, the Northern Sea Route.

1. Leningrad 1932-1933-1935 Put. Shipyard BF
2. Erivan 1932-1934-1936 Russud PF
3. Tiflis 1932-1934-1936 Russud PF
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Design displacement: 1910 tons (standard), 2,540 tons (full).
Speed: 38 knots, with the power cars 54000 hp
Armament: 5x1 130-mm/50 guns, 76-mm/56 2x1, 2x1 45mm, 2x4 533-mm tubes.
CWL dimensions: 125,0 x 11,3 x 3,45 m



Project 14 bis.

Despite the fact that the armament new Soviet leaders were superior to most of the European fleet of destroyers, the balance of power in the Pacific looked very different. Japanese destroyers armed with 6 127-mm guns had superiority over the Soviet ships in the artillery. It was necessary to arm were constructed for the Far East leaders 6 130-mm guns, but realize it could only be for dual gun mounts of the main fire.
The development of such a facility on the basis of an existing 130-mm guns, was launched in 1933, but in 1937 the first artillery systems of this type have been handed over by the manufacturer, which greatly delayed the availability of the new leaders, a draft of which was designated 14-bis.
In the modernized project nasal boiler rooms were moved forward, and between them and the turbine section of the nose was placed artillery cellar average 130-mm gun mount. By eliminating the linear layout of the sublime guns down the center of gravity, which contributed to the smooth roll. Number of 45-mm semi-automatic guns was increased to four. The ships of the "Baku" is superior to the previous series of seaworthiness leaders, at the same speed qualities they did not concede. In autumn 1937 the four built in Nikolayev leader went to the Far East, where he joined the Pacific Fleet.
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1. Baku 33-34-37 Naval Pacific Fleet
2. Tashkent 33-34-37 Naval Pacific Fleet
3. Minsk 33-34-37 Put. Shipyard BF
4. Petrozavodsk 34-35-37 Put. Shipyard BF
5. Ashgabat 34-36-37 Russud PF
6. Kiev 34-36-37 Russud PF
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Design displacement: 1925 tons (standard), 2548 tons (full).
Speed: 38 knots, with the power cars 54000 hp
Armament: 3x2 130-mm/50 guns, 2x1 76-mm/56, 4x1 45mm, 2x4 533-mm tubes.
CWL dimensions: 125,0 x 11,3 x 3,45 m

During the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet leaders of the first series suffered serious losses. In September 1941, were included in the squad Rear Admiral Drozd leaders "Leningrad" and "Petrozavodsk" killed in battle with the German cruiser "Leipzig" and "Emden". It is believed that a torpedo fired "Leningrad" before his death, was struck by "Emden", which is a result of getting lost speed and was overtaken by a heavy cruiser "Dzerzhinsky". In September 1942, the leader of the Black Sea "Kharkiv" was sunk by German aircraft near Constanta. Popular version which says that the leader closed of a battleship "Soviet Ukraine" torpedo fired from a submarine Romanian documentary evidence is not found. A year later, in September 1943, Nazi planes sank the leader of the "Moscow". The last died in the Second World War, the Soviet ship was the leader of the Pacific "Ashgabat", sunk in April 1945 after attack the Japanese kamikaze detonate torpedoes in the forward torpedo tube.
The remaining leaders in 1948 were reclassified to the destroyers. "Baku", "Tashkent" and "Kiev" in 1954 were transferred to the Navy of the Chinese People's Republic.
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The aircraft carrier "Krasnyy aviator."

Strengthening the position of the Soviet Union the "Young School" was due not least to the incident, the the Chinese Eastern Railway, is shown, in particular, the need for the Far East naval forces capable of exerting pressure on China to protect Soviet interests in the region.
Optimal and relatively cheap means of solving the problem could become carriers that can solve not only the problem of gaining dominance at sea, but also deliver effective blows to the shore-based facilities and ground forces at a great distance from the coastline.
Since the state of the industry in the early 30's. not allowed to build new aircraft carriers from the ground, it was suggested to start with the reconstruction of an unfinished battle cruiser "Izmail", which caused a heated debate in the leadership of the Navy. Battleships lobby did not abandon hope of the possibility of completion of "Izmail" as a gunship, so as to rebuild the facilities they offered battleship "Poltava" and even a slow-moving training ship "Komsomolets". Nevertheless, made calculations showed that the completion of "Ishmael" as the aircraft carrier will cost no more than a rearrangement "Poltava", and not much more expensive restructuring "Komsomolets". In the end, common sense will prevail - an aircraft carrier, "Izmail", which got the new name "Krasnyy aviator", was approved for completion.
The development project was carried out very quickly, which obviously affected his quality. Only the desire to limit the scope and cost of the work can be attributed to the preservation of the ship's hull barbettes gun turrets, which greatly inconveniencing designers, though unable to locate inside barbettes tanks of aviation fuel and ammunition for carrier-based aircraft, which included a bomb and a 450-mm torpedo.
As the prototype was chosen just entered service English aircraft carrier "Glorious," which caused a lot of similarities silhouettes of ships. The aircraft carrier has two hangars, bow, for a fighter who had to take off from a short bow deck and aft, made bunk. Fore and aft upper hangars were connected by a narrow corridor on the left side, through which the fighters could not pass the I-15 (later I-15bis) did not have folding wings, but which allows us to transport scouts torpedo R-5T, from nose to stern lift hangar after landing. There were two elevators, one at the bow and stern hangars. The middle part of the superstructure in the area of cutting-island was occupied by the chimneys and boiler rooms bred in two closely spaced stacks. As a result, aircraft armament of the "Krasnyy aviator", despite all the efforts place the aircraft in hangars smaller, no more than 45 planes.
Armament of the new ship consisted of 20 130-mm 55-caliber guns, and four nasal loopholes casemates were patched to improve navigability. However, it is possible that the reason for this decision was the lack of a sufficient number of 130-mm. Anti-aircraft weaponry included 8 102-mm 60-caliber guns and several machine guns, later added six 45-mm semi-automatic.
Outfitting work began on the Baltic plant in the summer of 1930 and the spring of 1933 came on the aircraft carrier sea trials. The maximum speed reached was 28.1 knots.
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As many as five years old aircraft carrier remained in the Naval Forces of the Baltic Sea, it is done in that time nine trips to Murmansk and back, twice remained there for the winter. These swimming allowed to gain invaluable experience operating carrier aircraft, in particular the complete hopelessness of the bow became clear the flight deck: fighter pilots preferred to take off from the top, which was much safer and, ultimately, the fighters were transferred to the aft hangar.
At the end of 1938 it was planned to start modernization of the "Krasnyy aviator", a project which included the installation of anti torpedo boules, lengthening the flight deck in the nose and the installation of new dual 102-mm gun mounts with stabilized posts guidance, but Khasan conflict canceling those plans. The aircraft carrier was rushed to the Far East, accompanied by heavy cruiser "Kirov" and "Kuibyshev" as well as leaders of the "Sokrushitelnyy", "Silnyy", "Stremitelnyynyy" and "Strogiy", referring to the hangars 24 torpedo-bomber R-Z and 18 fighter I-15 bis.
Future plans for the modernization of already disrupted the Great Patriotic War. In January 1941-July 1942 "Krasnyy aviator" in the squadron of the Pacific Fleet made the transition from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky to Murmansk, and during nearly five months of parking in New York, it was established eight paired machines "Bofors" and nine single-barreled 20-mm "Oerlikon". At the same time the old ship's air group was replaced with a new one, consisting of a U.S. carrier-based aircraft. It included 12 torpedo "Devastator", 17 dive bombers "Dauntless" and 16 fighters "Wildcat."
The presence of an aircraft carrier in the Soviet fleet allowed to cover effectively transports the convoy PQ-17 and successfully bring to the Soviet ports 23 of them.
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In August 1942, as part of the Northern Fleet was formed first carrier striking force consisting of the "Krasnyy aviator" and a new aircraft carrier "Gromov".
In December 1943, torpedo "Avenger" with the "Krasnyy aviator" and "Gromov" made three torpedo hits in the German battleship "Scharnhorst", so he cut the course and was easily finished off by British battleship "Duke of York", and, at least one hit was achieved by pilots "Krasnyy aviator."
But a year later, "Krasnyy aviator" received two torpedo hits from a German U-boat and, after ten hours of agony sank. The cause of death of such a large ship just two torpedoes from has been recognized the lack of depth anti torpedo protection and general dilapidation body aircraft carrier afloat for 29 years.
When disaster killed about a hundred sailors from the crew of the aircraft carrier, which has more than two thousand people. All Air Arm pilots were rescued and later formed the core of an aircraft carrier air group, "Chkalov".

Displacement: 31,100 tons (standard) 34300 tonnes (full).
70,000 hp - 28 knots.
Armament: 45 aircraft, 20x1 130-mm/55, 8x1 102-mm/60 flak .
Reservations: 237.5 mm board, deck 38 mm + 50 mm.
Dimensions (waterline): 222,4 x30,5x8,9 m.
 
Might be more plausible..

only issue i see .. and do not let me discourage you as i love stories of the mother land :)

The Sovetsky Soyuz class of BattleShips only laid down starting in mid 1930's was plagued with quality issues, and delays, and finally just to late. none made completion.

If you start building boats in the 1920's the next issue becomes you are building boats that are 10 years out of date by the time the war starts.

Plus the Civil war and war with Poland had just been completed, Soviet Union was just beginning to modernize its factories and techniques. then you had the many purges of scientists and military.

But Soviet Union had not much need for overly large fleet. would have been smarter to concentrate on the smaller cruisers, destroyers, and subs for coastal protection.

Last and i will reiterate.. The Soviet Union had no real need for Large grandiose navy. what the mother land needed was air power and modern tanks and artillery .. The enemy would be fought on land and in the air .. not on the seas so much..

but by all means proceed :)
My battleships less than the "Soviet Union" almost in half.
It is better to have a few older ships than none.
USSR to the beginning of the war built 27,000 tanks. What could be better? All the same, most of the cast at the border due to lack of fuel.
 

katchen

Banned
Could Russia have started building smaller ships on --and submarines--and landing craft--on Lake Ladoga or Lake Onega, able to move into the Gulf of Finland and Baltic Sea as soon as it would be possible to do so? As well as enough cruisers and landing craft to land large numbers of troops in Bulgaria or Romania to outflank the German Southern Army? With the ability to land troops on beaches as the Americans had, Russia might have been able to shorten the course of the war--and install Communist governments in Denmark and possibly even Norway?
 

sharlin

Banned
Could the Soviets also not convert other ships into aircraft carriers, the old AC Ruirik would be ideal, she was a bloody huge ship and could be used as a training/experimental ship if refitted.
 
Could the Soviets also not convert other ships into aircraft carriers, the old AC Ruirik would be ideal, she was a bloody huge ship and could be used as a training/experimental ship if refitted.
Battle value of such a ship is highly questionable, at the same time a large corpus "Izmail" is more suitable for experiments with lifts and other equipment. There's even hundreds of tons of overload is not critical, you still have to lay ballast. A sense of the body, "Izmail" no, let the aircraft carrier would be better served.
 
Could Russia have started building smaller ships on --and submarines--and landing craft--on Lake Ladoga or Lake Onega, able to move into the Gulf of Finland and Baltic Sea as soon as it would be possible to do so? As well as enough cruisers and landing craft to land large numbers of troops in Bulgaria or Romania to outflank the German Southern Army? With the ability to land troops on beaches as the Americans had, Russia might have been able to shorten the course of the war--and install Communist governments in Denmark and possibly even Norway?
At the beginning of the war the Soviet Union was not up to the assault - would survive. Before the war, the main opponents of the Soviet Union, Stalin believed England and Japan, hence needed a large fleet. The construction of small ships for the war with Germany was to begin after the mobilization, which have been developed special projects. Nobody, even in a nightmare, could not conceive of that would be lost or blocked the main shipbuilding centers.
 
Storozhevyye korabli (SKRs) USSR 30s.

October 23, 1944, guard ships of the Baltic Fleet, "Poleznyy" and "Pronzitelnyy", patrolling the border territorial waters of Sweden, were found two Swedish destroyers producing bombed a submarine (as it turned out - Sch-306, just sank a German cargo ship "Zwickau"). Without hesitation, the Soviet SKRs that are two miles from the Swedish border, began demonstrative attack by deploying toward violators of neutrality their guns and torpedo tubes. The intentions of the Soviet patrol looked very convincing and Swedish ships, unable to stand, stop the persecution of the submarine and, after developing a full course, gone.


Project 2.

Design of the first Soviet guard ships was conducted with great difficulty, which was caused by a long period of time while the old "experts" would inevitably lead to a drop in their skills, and lack of staff that had to reimburse the involvement of young people, with impeccable worker-peasant background and experts. The other reason that complicates the design was almost complete degradation of the organization of military production in shipyards and partial disposal of "unnecessary" equipment and, therefore, the inability of enterprises to build a modern, sophisticated enough ships.
Based on the foregoing, to the designers were asked to design a fairly simple small craft, capable of solving the problem of water area of defense in conjunction with the old destroyers of the "Novik", the lack of which he had to make.
Chief designer of the project was named young engineer V. A. Nikitin, just a year before he graduated from Leningrad Polytechnic Institute, which was a clear organizational error, explaining later identified flaws in the design.
Incorporated in late 1926 by Putilov shipyard and the beginning of 1927 at the Nikolayev plant "Nawal" six guard ships had normal design displacement of 400 tonnes and speed of 29 knots at 7500 hp power. Alas, begun in late 1928, tests revealed a shortage of power (less than 7000 hp) and significantly overweight, aggravated taken in the draft minimum fuel reserve for the normal displacement - only 10 tons, at its full stock of 150 tons capacity was Shortage explained by the large steam extraction for support mechanisms. The project also has not been considered a number of weight required to ship goods, largely beyond the design caused the overload.
According to the results produced by the investigation, Nikitin was arrested and spent a year in prison of the NKVD, after a release appointed deputy project manager for the new V. L. Brzezinski.
Despite all of this, obviously unsuccessful ships are almost ready, and had to finish building in 1930-1931, all of them were admitted to the Naval Forces of the USSR.
Following the testing of normal displacement was determined in 470 t and a speed of 26 knots. Armament consisted of 2 102-mm guns, 60-caliber long and one three-tube 450-mm torpedo tube. This was subsequently reinforced 3-4 45-mm cannon and two 12.7-mm machine guns.
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1. Smerch 1926-1928-1930 Put. in. BF
2. Uragan 1926-1928-1930 Put. in. BF
3. Vikhr 1926-1929-1931 Put. in. BF
4. Groza 926-1929-1931 Put. in. BF
5. Shtorm 1927-1929-1931 Nawal BSF
6. Shkval 1927-1929-1931 Nawal BSF


Project 4.

The conflict in the Chinese Eastern Railway in 1929, has demanded an urgent strengthening of the Naval Forces of the Far East. Although in April 1928, when the trial ended in bench testing power plant, Chief of Naval Forces of R. A. Muklevich and academician U. I. Szymanski insisted on increasing the speed of ships to 30 knots, experts Sudotrest dismissed the speedy creation of a new installation, which, they thought might be ready no sooner than five years. Therefore, it was decided to build 4 ships on the project 2, ordering them Putilov shipyard and factory "Nawal" collapsible, with delivery of hull sections and components for the assembly of Vladivostok. Made in the project for several months, which was assigned the number 4 is almost no different from the previous one, except for the fact that its design speed was reduced to 26 knots.
However, in 1931 it was decided to send to the Pacific Ocean in just disassembled Putilov ships built by the shipyard, and "Nawal" finish in Nikolaev and sent to the Far East on their own. Despite the fact that the ships had to unload before the campaign, removing the weapons, the decision was subsequently found to be justified. "Grom" and "Molniya" came to Vladivostok in the early autumn of 1933, and raised there, "Tayfun" and "Tsiklon" were transferred to the Navy only in December 1935 and the summer of 1936.

1. Tayfun 1930-1933-1935 Put. shipyard. / Vlad. Pacific Fleet
2. Tsiklon 1930-1933-1936 Put. shipyard. / Vlad. Pacific Fleet
3. Grom 1930-1931-1933 Naval Pacific Fleet
4. Molniya 1930-1932-1933 Naval Pacific Fleet


Project 18.

Designated new chief TSKBS at Putilov shipyard V. L. Brzezinski in a short time managed to improve the organization of development projects of new ships. Although developed under his leadership SKR project number 18 was a deep modernization project 2, it managed to eliminate most of the disadvantages of the project. SKRs new dimensions have been increased by two meters in length and 0.7 meters in width, which positively affected the improvement of stability. Normal displacement was now 625 t (515 and 730 standard - complete). Armament remained the same, but the power increased to 12,000 hp, which allowed SKR exceed the design speed, pointing to test the speed of 31-31,5 node.
The first four SKRs sent from the Black Sea to the Far East, made the transition with the removed weapons, but they have demonstrated improved seaworthiness allowed to send two following in readiness, argued that as commander of one of them "favorably affected the mood of the team and to improve the attitude of the local authorities during visits to foreign ports." Three guard ships were built in Leningrad in 1935 through the White Sea-Baltic Canal transferred to the north, where joined the North Sea fleet.
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1. Metel 1932-1933-1934 Put. shipyard. BF
2. V'yuga 1933-1933-1934 Put. shipyard. BF
3. Burun 1933-1933-1934 Naval Pacific Fleet
4. Zarnitsa 1933-1934-1934 Naval Pacific Fleet
5. Burya 1933-1933-1934 Put. shipyard. NF
6. Purga 1933-1934-1934 Put. shipyard. NF
7. Sneg 1933-1934-1935 Put. shipyard. BF
8. Tucha 1933-1934-1934 Put. shipyard. NF
9. Deyatelnyy 1933-1934-1935 Naval Pacific Fleet
10. Delnyy 1934-1935-1935 Naval Pacific Fleet


Project 30.

Torpedoes guard ships Project 18 does not satisfy the military, and after the start of their construction TsKBS start designing a new patrol vessel project armed with two three-tube 533-mm torpedo tubes. Implement it within a given normal displacement (no more than 900 tons) was possible only with the transition to the linear arrangement of the Machine-boiler system on the leadership of the Navy finally agreed.
Since the stocks of large shipyards were busy building the leaders of most of the SKRs of the new project was to build a relatively small plants: Average Nevsky and Sevastopol Marine Plant. Of these, only the first had some experience of building ships of this class built (actually collected) during the First World War, eight destroyers of the "Novik". Sevastopol Marine Plant, however, had no such experience, and that eventually led to a tightening of terms of construction and transmission of orders to other plants.
SKRs of the new project design had a standard displacement of 839 tons (total - 992 m), speed 33 knots, at a power of 20,000 hp. The artillery armament consisted of two 102-mm guns, 60 calibers long to shield plants, four 45-mm guns and two 12.7 mm machine guns. In the second half of the 30s. such weapons have appeared insufficient, causing criticism of the project.
Starting from the patrol ship "Podvizhnyy" on the SKR being built for the Baltic Fleet began installing third 102-mm gun, placed in the rear of the equipment return filmed neutral. Considered the option of upgrading "30" with the installation of the two-gun gun mounts, but all of a sudden disaster struck.
Gone in April 1937 from Sevastopol to the Far East SKRs "Doblestnyy", "Derzkiy" and "Dostoynyy" going out into the Mediterranean Sea is not headed to the Suez Canal, and on the west and arrived in Cartagena, where they were formally handed over to the Spanish government. Changed its name to «Valoroso», «Descarado» and «Digno», they took part in the fighting in the Republican Navy.
In May 1937, the torpedo boat «Valoroso» was torpedoed by a submarine of unknown (presumably Italian) and, after the flooding of the two turbine units, sank. This event, as well as a mine explosion on British destroyer "Hunter", angered Stalin. At an event in early August 1937 meeting of the newly organized Committee of Defense, one of the experts spoke carelessly that echelon arrangement of the Machine-boiler system is only needed for heavy vehicles, small enough to have only the same line, since combat missions they are a consumable item. This provoked a sharp rebuke to Stalin: "As our leaders and patrol - consumable?" As a result, projects ships with a linear arrangement of the Machine-boiler system were announced wrecking and Brzezinski and a number of employees TsKBS have been arrested and shot.
Fortunately the management of the fleet and the People's Commissariat of shipbuilding industry has been able to defend the completion of the already laid down the SKRs and the leaders on the termination of which Stalin insisted.
SKRs "Derzkiy" and "Dostoynyy" in the beginning of 1939, once again raised the Soviet flag and returned to Sevastopol, which have been repaired, the completion of which went back to the Far East.
Before the Second World War of the Pacific Ocean have moved 11 SKRs of this type built in Sevastopol and Nikolaev. Twelfth became Leningrad "Privetlivyy", in 1940, conducted by the Pacific Fleet Northern Sea route.
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1. Prytkiy 1934-1935-1936 Average Nevsky BF
2. Prozorlivyy 1934-1936-1936 Average Nevsky BF
3. Pronzitelnyy 1934-1936-1937 Average Nevsky BF
4. Doblestnyy 1934-1936-1937 Sevastopol. -
5. Derzkiy 1934-3619-1937 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
6. Otvazhnyy 1934-1935-1936 Put. shipyard. NF
7. Otlichnyy 1934-1935-1936 Put. shipyard. NF
8. Obraztsovyy 1934-1935-1936 Put. shipyard. NF
9. Darovityy 1934-1935-1936 Naval Pacific Fleet
10. Dostoynyy 1934-1935-1937 Naval Pacific Fleet
11. Peredovoy 1935-1936-1936 Average Nevsky BF
12. Poleznyy 1935-1936-1937 Average Nevsky BF
13. Opasnyy 1936-1936-1937 Put. shipyard. NF
14. Ozhivlennyy 1936-1936-1938 Put. shipyard. NF
15. Dalnovidnyy 1936-1937-1938 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
16. Divnyy 1936-1937-1938 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
17. Podvizhnyy 1936-1937-1938 Average Nevsky BF
18. Plodotvornyy 1936-1937-1938 Average Nevsky BF
19. Plamennyy 1936-1937-1939 Average Nevsky BF
20. Povelitelnyy 1936-1937-1939 Average Nevsky BF
21. Ozhestochennyy 1936-1937-1938. Put. shipyard. NF
22. Deyesposobnyy 1937-1938-1938 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
23. Deystvennyy 1937-1938-1939 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
24. Deystvuyushchiy 1937-1938-1938 Russud Pacific Fleet
25. Podtyanutyy 1937-1938-1938 Put. shipyard. Pacific Fleet
26. Delovityy 1937-1938-1939 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
27. Derznovennyy 1937-1938-1939 Sevastopol. Pacific Fleet
28. Privetlivyy 1937-1938-1939 Put. shipyard. Pacific Fleet

Prior to the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the Baltic Fleet lost patrol ships "Metel" and "Prozorlivyy" heroically killed during the attack on the Finnish battleship "Vyaynemyaynen" in 1939.
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My battleships less than the "Soviet Union" almost in half.
It is better to have a few older ships than none.
USSR to the beginning of the war built 27,000 tanks. What could be better? All the same, most of the cast at the border due to lack of fuel.


of this I agree .. just think your starting point for such things would have to be pushed back .. quicker more stable revolution ( if that is possible ) but i would think most of all, avoid purges of officers, and the competent people who would be needed to organize .. This will take resources away from other branches of service i would think as well.

Soviet Union did have somewhere around 200 ships under construction in 40-41.. and like tanks.. require fuel and parts for service... and of those 27,000 tanks.. most needed parts and were older model.. t-34 had just come online leading up to invasion

I do find very interesting though.. and no doubt if was maintained would have been a great distraction to the german war effort..

please continue :)
 
of this I agree .. just think your starting point for such things would have to be pushed back .. quicker more stable revolution ( if that is possible ) but i would think most of all, avoid purges of officers, and the competent people who would be needed to organize .. This will take resources away from other branches of service i would think as well.

Soviet Union did have somewhere around 200 ships under construction in 40-41.. and like tanks.. require fuel and parts for service... and of those 27,000 tanks.. most needed parts and were older model.. t-34 had just come online leading up to invasion

I do find very interesting though.. and no doubt if was maintained would have been a great distraction to the german war effort..

please continue :)

Purges under Stalin was inevitable, and I kept all the social system of the former Soviet Union in the real history. Honors me is to keep the military infrastructure in shipyards destroyed in the 20-early 30's. Here it was possible to avoid it.
I am now working to determine the factory floor for the production of high caliber turrets at the Obukhov factory, have not been able to find out the fate of the huge turning machine for turning straps towers, mysteriously disappeared in the late 20's. Probably it was scrapped.
With the start of the mass construction of warships since 1936, Soviet industry overstrained due to too abrupt start building a huge number of ships. But even so, if it had not started unnecessary a project rework destroyers "7", the USSR have to direct the outbreak of war 60 new destroyers, and not 37 as in real history.
 
The first Soviet heavy cruisers.

1. Design and construction.

The conflict in the CER, despite its prosperous resolution caused great concern of the Soviet government the situation in the Far East and, above all, there really is a lack of combat-ready naval forces. Send in late 1929, the Pacific squadron consisting of the battleship "Parizhskaya kommuna" and the cruiser "Profintern" did not solve the problem. Received heavy damage during a storm in the Bay of Biscay, the Soviet ships were unable to continue the path and enter the Black Sea, being the result in part of the Naval Forces of the Black Sea.
The outcome of critical reflection on the problem and was the first cruise ship program, under which the Far East had to build four modern cruiser.
The prototype of the new project of course was the "Krasnyy Kavkaz", work of which were conducted since 1927. It should be noted that the designers have already had preliminary designs of the new cruiser, which in comparison with the prototype doubled the number of major caliber guns, due to their placement in the two-gun turrets, and the rate was adjusted to 35 knots. Not surprisingly, the new cruiser apparently looked almost complete copy of the "Krasnyy Kavkaz".
In the design process, the maximum design speed dropped to 34 knots, as it was recognized that domestic factories can not produce steam turbine units with capacity of more than 27,000 hp However, even these were for MAL Soviet turbine constructors almost impossible task.
Tower installation MK-2-180 designed Leningrad Metal Works, accepted to reduce the size of the towers of the location of guns in pairs in a cradle. Soon, the designers have proposed to add a third instrument of each cradle, thus increasing the number of major caliber guns from 8 to 12. This cruiser is fully deserved the name heavy. Designation of tower installations, however, remained the same.
The head of the project 11 heavy cruiser, dubbed "Dzerzhinsky" was founded in Leningrad at the Baltic Shipyard in 1930. Almost at the same time in Nikolaev on the stocks of the plant name Marty (formerly "Nawal") was founded the same type of "Sverdlov."

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Heavy Cruiser "Dzerzhinsky", the USSR in 1932.

Design Displacement: 9,650 tons (standard) 12100 tonnes (full).
Speed: 33 knots, at a power of 108,000 horsepower machines
Weapons upon entry into service: 4x3 180-mm/60 guns, 4x1 102-mm/60 anti-aircraft guns, 4x3 533-mm tubes.
Reservations: board - 70 mm, 50 mm deck.
Dimensions on waterline: 181,0 x18,0 x5,85 m

Work on the construction of the ships took place very slowly, but in 1932 the two cruisers were still lowered into the water (in their place immediately laid the next pair, respectively, "Blucher" and "Kuibyshev"), and in the spring of 1934 "Dzerzhinsky" was released on sea trials.
Alas, the maximum speed that could develop cruiser was 33.3 knot that was a consequence of the construction overload that exceeded a thousand tons. Was low and the reliability of MAL, then one or the other turbine cruiser constantly broke down.
Immediately confirmed by poor design 180-mm gun mounts, however, is not which was the surprise, as it was found still in the tests of the "Krasnyy Kavkaz", but on the new ship, it was exacerbated by an evil scheme of placement of weapons in general cradle.
All this forced to suspend construction of the "Blucher" and "Kuibyshev" that way, and so much more slowly built the first pair. It was caused by the requirement to change the location of the ICE sailors from linear to level (project 11-bis). Since the summer of 1934 at the "Bolshevik" began development of a new, 203-mm twin tower installations, called MK-4.
"Dzerzhinsky" and "Sverdlov" became part of the Baltic and Black Sea fleets in 1934, the Pacific Ocean to send them do not dare. In the late 30-ies of ineffective anti-aircraft armament was replaced with a 4x2 102-mm/50 implements a new sample, even before they were installed 4x1 45-mm semiautomatic and 6x1 mm 12.7-mm DShK. As such, the first-born of the Soviet building a Cruiser and entered World War II.
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Detained at the factory stocks "Blucher" and "Kuibyshev" came down to the water only in 1936. But the experience has not passed for designers without a trace, the new cruisers have been much more perfect than the first two. Power reduction MAL to 25,000 hp made them much safer, the new 203-mm two-gun turrets with separate guidance stems (shell weight 139.5 kg), were much more reliable, but were smaller and even several less weight. In this new rate 203 mm-caliber guns 50 was (at least theoretically) the same 5.5 rounds per minute.
"Blucher" went to sea trials in the late autumn of 1937, but returned to them under a different name - the "Kirov". Subsequently, it is sudden and not publicized renaming has caused some confusion among historians, who could not understand where are the cruiser "Blucher". In 90 years, there's even a version of the tragic and carefully hidden by the Soviets destruction of the ship.

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Heavy cruiser "Kirov", the Soviet Union in 1936.

Design Displacement: 9,980 tons (standard) 12430 tonnes (full).
Speed: 32 knots, at a power of 100,000 horsepower machines
Weapons upon entry into service: 4x2 203-mm/50 guns, 4x2 102-mm/50 anti-aircraft guns, 4x1 45 mm semiautomatic. 6x1 12.7-mm machine guns, 2x3 533-mm tubes.
Reservations: board - 90 mm, 50 mm deck.
Dimensions on waterline: 181,0 x18,0 × 5,9 m

2. Fighting the way.

Cruiser "Dzerzhinsky" started the war at dawn June 22, 1941, when it was hit by anti-aircraft gunners Nazi bomber He-111. In September 1941, the artillery "Dzerzhinsky" was sunk by a German cruiser "Emden". Unfortunately, this fight has confirmed the poor quality of the 180-mm guns and tower installations ship - consumption of shells exceeded all acceptable norms, but at the end of the battle on the "Emden" even fired 45-mm gun Soviet cruiser. Reviews of captured German officers on the accuracy of fire "Dzerzhinsky" results could be due to their complete unintelligible (untranslatable pun). During the siege of Leningrad cruiser was in the Neva, maintaining their fire forces defending the city. In the final phase of the war "Dzerzhinsky did not participate because of the wear trunks of their 180-mm guns.
After the war, "Dzerzhinsky" continued to serve as a part of the Baltic Fleet twice (in 1952 as a training ship), and in 1958 was expelled from the Soviet Navy.

The cruiser "Sverdlov" entered service in early 1935. Despite the poor quality of the steam turbine units, ran many long hikes in the Mediterranean Sea, particularly in 1937-1938, three visits from a goodwill visit to the Spanish ports. Several visits to Italy.
Cruiser met the start of the war on the Sevastopol harbor. He participated in the defense of Odessa and fighting against the German-Romanian Navy. In December 1941, participating in Feodosia landing operations received significant damage and was nearly a year of renovation, the first in Novorossiysk, and then in Poti. It saved him from the self-destructive (but highly effective) raiding operations against Constanta in October 1942.
As well as on the Baltic "Dzerzhinsky" anti-aircraft armament cruisers constantly intensified, helped by removing unnecessary recognized catapults. Installed on cruisers additional one- and two-gun 37mm automatic domestic production and received Lend-Lease "Oerlikon".
At the end of the war, "Sverdlov" was the only combat-ready large modern ship Black Sea Fleet and, together with the cruisers "Krasnyy Krym" and "Chervona Ukraina" took an active part in the hostilities. In the summer of 1944, "Sverdlov" was the first ship of the Black Sea Fleet, which came to the defense of Sevastopol.
Since 1953, the cruiser served as a training ship, and in 1960 was expelled from the Soviet Navy.

Cruiser "Kirov" and "Kuibyshev" entered into service in 1938 and the summer of the same year went to the Far East which included first in the Pacific Fleet, and then the Pacific Fleet.
After the outbreak of World War II both the cruiser in the Pacific Fleet squadron made the transition to the United States, where in New York have a new anti-aircraft weapons. Instead shot catapult them were set on 2x2 40-mm automatic "Bofors", and instead of 45-mm guns were installed 20-mm automatic "Oerlikon". Unfortunately, set to the Soviet cruiser latest radars Americans could not only at the end of 1942, already in Murmansk "Kirov" and "Kuibyshev" received radar equipment. In 1943, the number of paired "Bofors" were brought to eight.
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In the spring of 1945, "Kirov" and "Kuibyshev" made a transition back to the Pacific Ocean, where they took part in the fighting against imperialist Japan, participating in fire support from the Soviet assault planted on the Kuril Islands.
Both cruisers were withdrawn from the Soviet Navy in 1961 and 1962.
 
Aley said:
In October 1939, attacked the White Finns Soviet country, but miscalculated hirelings of imperialism, the Red Army stopped them near the Mannerheim line, exhausted in a defensive battle, but the offensive, as much for dropping Vyborg.

Is this TL truly positing a Finnish attack on the USSR in 1939 or is this just written in mock Soviet style? If the latter, then you have captured it quite well.

How about Finnish and German naval actions during the war, do they have any discernible effect on Soviet naval dominance? I assume the Finns and Germans would also ITTL try to put the Western Gulf of Finland full of minefields, build submarine nets across it and use Finnish and formerly Estonian coastal guns and forts to keep the Red Navy in check. As the Red Navy is more aggressive ITTL than IOTL, seeing as both Finnish coastal armored ships get destroyed, it would be plausible to expect more Soviet casualties to Finnish and German mines, etc, too.

Keeping with your general theme, "Soviets do (a lot) better", there would be no such disasters like the OTL evacuation of Tallinn in August 1941 for the Red Navy ITTL, either I presume?
 
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