Alternate Football Scores

Sometime ago, I did a what if Scotland was at the 1950 World Cup in which they come second in the group. However I've always found the format of the 1950 World Cup odd in which only four teams go through to a final group stage, so what if the 1950 World Cup not only had Scotland in it, but also had eight teams go through to a standard knockout stage as would be the case for future World Cups after. With this in mind, the runners up in all the groups such as England, Yugoslavia, Italy and Scotland go through with results being the same as OTL


The fourteen teams competing for the 1950 World Cup


Knockout stage of the 1950 World Cup
Roughly about the same, though with Scotland being a wildcard team, it is worth thinking about how well Scotland might've got on. Either way having England and Scotland making the knockout stage on their first go at the World Cup might have some butterflies down the line...
 
«CSCA» Aldershot 0-1 Sheffield Industry
2018 British Union Cup Final

ALD:
SHE: Barrault 64'

A shock in the final of the nation's most prestigious cup competition, as CSCA, with 14 league titles in their history, were toppled by a Sheffield side who had reached the final from the Second League.

The crack Army outfit CSCA, with British internationals stamped right the way through their team, got a taste of what they were in for as soon as the first minute when Johnny Spencer - 27 Great Britain goals to his name - was hacked down by a scything tackle from the old-fashioned Sheffield enforcer Chris Baker, who received a stern talking-to from the ref for his troubles.

CSCA in truth never really got going and struggled to impose themselves on a game that the Daily Worker had forecast as being a near walkover for the champions in their quest for the Double. The first half was largely played on Sheffield's terms, devoid of any real clear cut chances and descending into a physical midfield slog, where the Industry players had the advantage over their perhaps more technically inclined counterparts.

When the goal did come, it was just as Sheffield would have been accustomed to. Alain Barrault, on loan from Prolétaire Lyonnaise but a real star of Industry's season, picked up on a long punt upfield from Steven Palmer and beat Phillips in the CSCA goal by way of a wild deflection off a defender.

Aldershot failed to raise their game and - although Sheffield keeper Douglas McFadden was forced into a couple of smart saves - Sheffield held on to claim a famous victory and a place in Europe for next season.
 
Let's suppose an scenario, where in the drawing of the qualifications of the UEFA for Argentina'78, England falls in the group of Sweden, and not of Italy's (with Norway or Switzerland, then, in the group of Italy)? remember that the seeds of that qualification were those who had qualified to the previous world Cup, except for Hungary, the Soviet Union and Greece, that the winner would play a playoff with the third best of the Conmebol

In that case, it is not difficult to suppose that England if it qualifies for Argentina '78, a fact of chance that would change everything. In that case, with all the world champions present, except Uruguay, the double-header status of Argentina-Italy in Group 1 could not be possible, but it would change the fact that Italy does or does fall within the group of Argentina or Brazil, and thus the condition of playing at the Buenos Aires-Mar del Plata venue, asked by Italian federation, due the big italo community in there still present at that time, would be fulfilled (Buenos Aires had two stadiums, River and Velez). Therefore, virtually all groups would be altered. Except, the group from West Germany, Poland, Tunisia and Mexico. Of course, if England qualified, their manager would remain ... well, Don Revie ...
I will retake this one, almost similar in teams with the same I did before…it means, Engand (w/Don Revie) and no Sweden…but a Little different, because I met a guy, now old, who was in the Comitee which organised the World Cup in 78 and tell me several things…

- The original plan was to put Argentina, Italy, Brazil, and Spain in different groups because those were the teams most people will attract but then Italy ask to stay in Buenos Aires–Mar del Plata because of the main italians living in there and Spain did the same, and that’s why Argentina ended up with Italy and Brazil with Spain… (and not Argentina with Spain and Brazil with Italy due an “excess of courtesy by the host” , a mistake Havelange took advantage and noticed it…

- If Argentina would have ended 1st in his group, (and not behind Italy), in second round they only would have played one match in River, perhaps the First or Third turn, and the rest in Velez Sarsfield, both in Buenos Aires, in order to preserve the turf…but for a matter of image, in order to show a “magnificent scenario for the european power”, and perhaps contractual facts, they left River Stadium for all purpose during second round (this I heard in a Tv Sport channel here two months ago, an even the sport journalist showed a ticket for a potential rematch on “Wednesday 28 june, 1978” if Argentina and Holland would have tied). Actually, if someone had the Panini World Cup '78 album, you will see that in 2nd Round, it says "Buenos Aires" and not the stadium (I guess something like when in England 66 was used White City Stadium, although by another reasons)

- That if England would have qualified, England and Scotland would have ended in the same pot, in order to not share groups in round robin (so…i made a mistake above in the wiki boxes I put here last year), so I will do it again…





Five players from Real Madrid, five from Barcelona and four from Atletico Madrid, plus some previous results made people think that Spain could have a fine world cup, and they were fully local in Mar del Plata ... but France, an emerging force, hit at minute 1 and that was enough to bind Spain who attacked without order and without success.

Scotland loses, but complicates it to host Argentina ... although finally the weight of the localia, and despite the nerves, Argentina began to be superior ... Scottish manage Ally McLeod was blamed because he declared that "there is no need to study Argentina, because se had already played against them the previous year and were almost all the same players " (1)... and that underestimation was paid with the defeat, when, as in 1977, the Scots had passages superior to the local, before Argentina's tie, Don Masson miss a clear chance when Argentina played awful to defend with offside and Johnstone had a foul that the portuguese referee decreed free kick right at the edge of the box. All in all, was a previsible result...From there they undertook the return to the Villa Marista, the Place of concentration near Mar del Plata (2)

Spain had thrust against the Scots, who faced the defeat by the minimum versus France, were fully local in Mar del Plata. Ahtletic de Bilbao's Dani and Barcelona's Asensi put spaniards twice in tie and avoiding the scottish upfront...However, a silly defensive error allowed Spain to draw in the last moments. So everything tend to think that Argentina and France would be the two qualified ... of Argentina, fine football, good touch but not overwhelming superiority at all, but the highlights were a Houseman inspired against the Spaniards to score two goals that today could be compared with two goals by Messi for his driblings inside the box ...

But from Scotland, what happened, almost nobody expected it ... to begin with, the match was delayed because both came with their substitute jerseys and France used Kimberley's from Mar del Plata ... the other was that Scotland seemed asleep in the first half ... but in the 2nd half saw the first of two historical comebacks of the Scots in this World Cup, which allowed qualification to second round and sparked the competition in England and Scotland to see if they could get to meet in third place or in the final itself. Scotland had found its balance in the cold afternoon of Mar del Plata and just in time, and Souness helped a lot.


Kempes is going to embrace Luque, score equalizer to Argentina against Scotland, after the free kick the Valencia's striker did, and scottish GK Rough left a rebound that was caught by Luque



(1) Another boneheaded thing was that they were offered big money by a big newspaper for Ally to fly out to South America and watch Peru play and study them, however he refused thinking that Peru would be a pushover team and as we all know what happened, he shot himself in the foot. (in OTL)

(2) One of Scotland's problems in OTL was that the hotel they hired was only half built and didn't have a suitable training facilities and they instead had to travel half an hour away from the hotel to a more suitable training ground somewhere in Cordoba and this affected them...




Italy had its high performance curve at the start of the first round, and Brazil had its lowest performance on the first two dates of the first round ... hence the result is understated, tight, but favorable to Italy ... Austria, no matter how hard they put and despite facing and easily defeating their old Hungarian imperial allies, and having figures like Hans Krankl and H. Prohaska, they should settle for scratching a second place they would never have access to in the group...


Inital austrian, and only success in Argentina 1978, versus Hungary...



England was confident, and Liverpool was the last European champion ... Ford advertisings ... Don Revie and his wife advertising to invest in some Persian Gulf oil country, even Kevin Keegan put a top 20 in the Chart, and a long etc... although Scotland, with considerably less attention, got its things, like that Heineken advertising which made grow teeth to Joe Jordan, and of Chrysler one. But Ally McLeod achieved notoriety by declaring that on June 25 in River Plate, the same thing would happen again as in Wembley in 1977 ... although what happened in May 1978 did not help much ... But England's performance, despite the obvious superiority in its group, was not as good as they expected and the only difficult game, saw them in a draw and unimaginative ... "long ball centers and more long ball centers", journalist Horacio Pagani declared in the newspaper Clarin, and that , at least in Argentina, was the image that is remembered of England in 1978... although it was a progress, because the previous year Netherlands defeated England 2-0 at Wembley


Don Revie during a friendly match against Boca Juniors on may 24, 1978...that was not a really good idea, as some Boca players were not loyal at all, and dangerous fouls were made by the men led by Toto Lorenzo, current champions of South America...broadcasted to UK, ended with an english victory 3-1


Trevor Cherry at the same match...Boca Juniors Stadium, "la bombonera", May 24, 1978




A secuence of England 2 vs Poland 1 on June 18, 1978 in Córdoba from Group A - Second Round

Argentina finished first, for which it would play in Buenos Aires but in the stage of Velez Sarsfield, two of the three matches, with the intention of taking care of the field of River (3), which could not have been done if another European team was passing

In the second round, Argentina, beat easily to Poland in the only match played at River Plate stadium until the final...in the ascending performance curve, met Italy, in a descending curve ... that explains the difficult Argentine victory, perhaps if they were met in first round, the victory would have been italian, who knows.

Against England, the match with Argentina was very similar to that of 1977 at the Boca stadium, there was even a bicycle kick at the final minute who hit the post also, although less spectacular, and this time not from Gallego but from Luque and only unlocked by a Passarella bomb from 35 meters that left Shilton breathless ... and the permanent cry of "animals", in English, whenever there was an English foul ... of course Argentinian press was delighted and called it the revenge of '66...

Of course the heavy critic was that Italy had to wait for 5 hours to know if them or Argentina were the finalists...a thing that was fixed only after the disgrace of Gijon in 1982

On the other side, Scotland started by drawing 1 to 1 with West Germany, in a match in which Macari got entangled his legs alone, hand in hand, against Maier when it could have been 2-1 ... which triggered the "Ally's Tartan Army" song on the charts. And against rising Brazil, this was 2-0 to the brazilians which were far superior and could have been more goals, but a lucky header by Asa Hartford over the final decorated the result 2-1 and left scottish with chances ... despite all the bets were in favor of Holland , since they had grabbed Brazil with their shorts in the first turn ...

But the surprise was just around the corner ... and even, when Gemill scored 3-1, the best Argentina '78 goal, at 68 minutes, the first finalist in Argentina '78 was ...Scotland. But then Holland scored and Brazil turned two goals over west germans, to reach the final eventually, and Scotland came third not being able to dispute any of the two final matches, although it was enough to give the bump and to take Holland away of the final match.

Until today is a reason to remember, since in the balance sheet, Scotland was above England in that world cup, ended at 5º position ... Revie was out after the competition and Bobby Robson came in his place, but that's another story (4) ....


Passarella is in ecstasy after the bombastic shot that put Argentina 1-0 against England in Velez Sarsfield. Taken from TV Pública broadcasting archives

(3) As explained at the beginning

(4) After the emirates affair in 1977, Don Revie was reeplaced temporarily by Ron Greenwood, but he became permanent eventually. Although Bobby Robson was mentioned to take Revie's place as early as 1977...so in this scenario, there was no such contingency as OTL, so a permanent manager will be called and Robson could be the one...





Argentina, during Menotti's charge, never beat Brazil...except for this one time, although not in regular time...referee Gonella was in extreme, permissive...and by today standards, this match could have ended with 9 players each. Brazil was a little superior and silenced River Plate stadium twice, specially in extra time with a header by Zico after a crossing ball...Zico and Gallego were the first players who were sent off in a final match after a brief and collective fisticuffs by the players...both had yellow cards so were out...


Zico put 2-1 to Brazil in extra time...and an atrocious silence seized the Monumental. Taken from TV Pública Archives


Bertoni put 3-2 to Argentina and the stadium erupted...both teams were exhausted and with their nerves shattered as you can see two brazilian players grabbing their own heads....


At the End, General Videla, along with the other members of military junta, and with their special guest, brazilian President Ernesto Geisel (militar as well), gave the World Cup to Argentina's Captain Daniel Passarella...that why some european journals called disparagingly the delivery, as the military cup...

1982 in Spain would be a different matter...
 
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Nice to see Scotland didn't screw as bad, plus wonder how things turn out in 1982 then...?
For sure, England would qualify to Euro '80...althought I'm not sure if they would reach the final...the other one is that Scotland would have a better suited team, and moral boost, so...for Euro 80 qualifying, Scotland will be in better shape and key results with Austria (1-1) at Hampden Park, Portugal (1-0 defeat, in Portugal) and the two defeats home and away against Belgium...would be different ( in Fact, this two belgium victories against Scots gave them the qualification...) I'm not sure if Andy Gray would be called up again in this ATL...

So, results would be something like that ATL









Then, in Euro '80...both England and Scotland will be in the same group...the result of this group?...well, one thing I can say is West Germany will be the champions the same

In Spain 1982... Scotland would make it into second round...(with Poland and Belgium)...England will reach semifinals against France with a result you know...the same as your TL;) in '82

And Argentina will be the same failure it was in Spain '82...If someone can convince in this TL to Menotti, to not play using offside to defend (all goals made to Argentina were at that way, except for Hungary)...and there is no depression due Falklands war in many players...things could have been different...but this is too much to ask...
 
Scottish Cup Quarter finals 1986-87

Dundee United 1 - 2 Forfar Athletic

Dundee United suffer a shock loss at home to second tier side, Forfar Athletic, who dump them out of the Scottish cup. In hindsight however despite how embarrassing a loss it was, it would proved to be a blessing in disguise as without having to go through all those games in the Scottish Cup, the team focuses more on their challenge in the UEFA Cup and as of a result, a more fresh team manages to take care of Gothenburg in the final in which Dundee United becomes the first Scottish club to lift the UEFA Cup. The magnitude of such victory helps the club challenge for the title throughout the '90's and since then United has remained in the top flight since then.

However, United weren't the only club from Tayside to enjoy success for in the Semi finals, local rivals would face off United's victors, Forfar, in the semi finals and would beat them to reach their first Scottish cup final in 23 years in which they beat St Mirren and finally win silverware after so long. With both Dundee clubs earning silverware that season, Dundee would gain much interest from outsiders willing to invest in the two rivals and make it rival Glasgow. Some would point out that Forfar was the real linchpin for change in Scottish football...


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The moral of that story is that too many games, as what United attempted to do, isn't always a good idea especially if you have the best chance to win a European trophy. Some of you will noticed I based this on my TL which has a similar set of results here. I'm tempted to try a Raith Rovers one if any of you are interested during their wee UEFA cup run! ;)
 

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Argentina knew since July 6, 1966 that it was going to organize the 1978 World Cup, however, due to the permanent changes of governments, civilians and military, by 1975 nothing was done, except the logo. In 1972, 8 locations had been shortlisted, by 1975 2 had been written off, given the actions of the guerrillas and the paramilitary groups, Tucuman and La Plata. And for FIFA it had been very difficult to speak with some organizing committee or with the AFA, who suffered from changing authorities, from one day to the next, something unthinkable today for any Football association.

In 1974, the government of an ageing and sick Perón, appointed the infamous Jose Lopez Rega, as head of the organization of the '78 World Cup Comitee, through the Ministry of Social Welfare (who also was in charge of the bloodthirsty Triple AAA, the para-policial right wing group responsible for killing leftists outside the system). After the death of Perón in July 1974, the whole country plunged into a spiral of terrorist violence and economic crisis ... which worsened further in June 1975, with the so-called "Rodrigazo" ....

In that context came the inspection of FIFA, only to see models and bricks stacked in Cordoba. The most unfortunate thing is that Argentina's plan to increase from 16 to 20 teams, which FIFA had seen with good eyes but UEFA not so much, for not having new European quotas, did not continue, and if barely, Argentina could do a world cup for 16, it would be a utopia to make it for 24 ...

The inspection was so shameful, that it was very commented as the Newell's and Central (Rosario's) clubs fought like children in front of the international delegates, with insults and issues that had nothing to do with the eyes of Havelange's envoys ... .

Joao Havelange, a Brazilian, has been at the forefront of FIFA since 1974, and tried in all ways that Argentina's hostness remain, but this was unheard of. UEFA was very upset, and Brian Glanville's writings on World Soccer were repeated in the Argentine press, as warnings that Argentina would loose its hosting rights and as an "international confabulation." Havelange stated that "Argentina could loose its hosting rights only because of the state of communications" ... but it was a euphemism. In Argentina there was still no color TV, and the channels had been nationalized in 1974 by "expiring" the licenses, which were not renewed. Only Channel 13 was well equipped (by argentinian standards), because in 1969 had made transmission tests in NTSC although it finally did not get state authorization, and in 1975 it began to broadcast in 625 lines although in B / W.

In Argentina the rumor spreaded ... Argentina would lose its right to organize the World Cup ... West Germany and Netherlands, had offered willingness to contingency ... Havelange was stuck between a rock and a hard place, because if he took the host rights and gave it to UEFA, he would lose a portion important power, but if it granted the organisation to Brazil or another country, such as Mexico, it would look like, a favoritism that could cause a schism in CONMEBOL ... it was rumored that Venezuela, in full boom of petrodollars, could organize it, but to 3 years time to World Cup, they lacked infrastructure ... only Brazil, with an economic boom since the '60s, saw blossoming majestic stadiums, everywhere, throughout the country ... as Governador Castelo, in Fortaleza, in 1973, the Mineirao, from Belo Horizonte in 1965, and Goiania's in 1975, etc...

But FIFA's report was lapidary (1) . And due the Emergency, Brazil, Venezuela and Mexico appeared on the horizon ... Mexico, only 8 years before organized the World Cup, Venezuela swam in dollars but had little infrastructure, little time ... and little tradition. So in the FIFA EXCOM vote it was decided to take to Argentina away and proposed to Brazil, which was finally completed on November 20, 1975 at the FIFA Congress in Guatemala, where it was agreed to extend to 24 participants and get around the World Cup qualifying, with another format improvised by the now official confirmation of Brazil as host of 1978 FIFA WORLD CUP.

Argentina strongly protested, in the country it was a major scandal, it threatened to break ties with FIFA, but FIFA threatened to forbid Argentina from participating in official competitions for a minimum of 3 World Cups. But what scared AFA the most, and the local clubs didn't like it at all, was the threat of not allowing them to participate in the Libertadores cups and revoking the status of all Argentinian club champions. The truth is that except for the support of insignificant associations, Argentina was alone, and rightly so. Argentina had 9 years without doing anything ...

Brazil was quickly put into construction, and refaction, and would not have problems with the broadcasts, which would be in charge of the Red O Globo ... meanwhile in Argentina, one thing survived was Menotti's position as manager, thanks to the fact that months before he had created the Statute of national teams, and because everyone talked about "going to win the World Cup there."

The preparation was less demanding, but useful ... even in the qualifiers there were flags with racist phrases towards the Brazilians ... and even racist commentaries talked about bringing "bananas to the monkeys in exchange for the cup." (2)

Brazil thought that tourism would attract more people and many stadiums eventually were silent giants for the national teams and television had to strive to cover those gaps ...

On March 24, 1976, a coup d'etat ousted Isabel Perón, and established a terror regime that lasted until 1981. Despite the effort of the Junta, the cup remained in Brazil. It can be said that thanks to the fact that the cup was not made in Argentina, this had a favorable impact internationally for the regime... the "bloody dictatorship" continued to be Pinochet one and not Argentina (3), and the marches of the mothers of Plaza de Mayo had no impact because there was no press there to witness it. Human rights organizations in Europe, infiltrated by former elements of Montoneros and the ERP, and their dollars from kidnappings, remained frowned upon ... but the economic situation in Argentina deteriorated, and the invasion of the Beagle Channel, postponed by the end of the year, due to papal intervention, was a negative moral blow, mostly in the image of a hard power. Without a world cup that enhanced the military image (4) and the consecuences , the military left power, consensually, in 1981 (5), at the request of the opening policies of General Viola and General Vaquero, called "soft", although in terms of repression, they were not. Argentina took years to know the exact magnitude of state terrorism.

Meanwhile, in one of the most bizarre plays, and within the plans of Admiral Massera to come to power, it was decided in 1977 that Channel 13 (controlled by the Navy), to make an agreement with the Rede Globo, to broadcast in colour using the PAL–M system, used in Brazil, a kind of Pal hybrid with NTSC, in a country where the M norm predominated, as in Argentina. Although minimal technical changes were done (e.g. Brazil is 60hz and Argentina is 50hz), that made final result, that Argentina's version of PAL-M had better resolution than brazilian one. So it was promoted that Argentina, through Channel 13, ergo, the Navy, would bring to the “Argentinian people”, the possibility of watching in “colours” the cup that FIFA "took away from us"… (6) , so a great expectation was also generated in Argentina ...

That, in the middle of the bid , allowed additional funds for channel 7, which also hastened to broadcast in color ... in PAL-M as well, but leaving the technical upgrading for later.... There was something also between the Argentinian State and Brazil, it was not just a demagogic issue, such as business between States, related to certain geo plans strategic linked with Chile conflict in the south, color TV was only a granite that could add to underpin integration, something unstable even, between Argentina and Brazil despite the fact that citizens linked Havelange-Brazil with theft.

And for the Argentine public, it would not be the last robbery that “would do” Brazil.

Among the outstanding facts of the Argentina team, was the inclusion of the young star of Argentinos Juniors, Diego Maradona ... the manager Menotti confessed years later, that if the World Cup would had made in Argentina, he would not have summoned it to preserve it from the extreme pressure, due to his youth. But the pressure for the locality, here it was not….

In any case, the Argentine military government ended the stadiums in Córdoba, Mendoza and Mar del Plata. River Plate stadium was remodelated by the club in 1980 as well as Velez Sarsfield. The Junta, along with AFA, attempted to organize, like Brazil, in 1972 (with its Independence Cup), the IV Centennial Cup (for the 400 anniversary of Buenos Aires in 1980), related to the founding of Buenos Aires, although it clashed with the reality that in that year the Euro 80 and the Gold Cup were made, Little World Cup, in 1980-81. So the tournament could only be played in June 1981, in the last year of the military dictatorship, with France, Netherlands, England, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Spain, Scotland, Yugoslavia, West Germany, Italy and of course Argentina.

The change of venue was successful for FIFA, but it did not want to repeat this traumatic situation, so it supported Colombia in 1986 to make its World Cup (7)

Argentina would just organize the FIFA World Cup in 2014, and would not lose 7-1...











Inaugural match of FIFA WORLD CUP BRASIL 1978 - West Germany 0 -East Germany 0 on June 9, 1978 at Maracana Stadium...the rematch that could not be...at 2nd half, West Germany changed their jerseys for another white model from their sponsors, almost similar as they did during Euro 80 (8)


Final minutes for the final cold war classic match in Rio '78


The (in)famous logo of the World Cup...Argentina complained because it was similar...although the CBF dismissed that by saying that "our logo represents the union of the world with the majestic game and with Brazil...all in perfect harmony. Argentina's logo was a demagogic one with the arms of Peron holding the ball"

(THANKS TO QTXAdsy for this WONDERFUL LOGO!!!)

(1) Despite that, Havelange continued to support Argentina, no matter where and how the money came from ... a big gamble that went right, for him...

(2) A flag appeared during 1979 Copa America...

(3) Before World Cup it was that way, it allowed Argentina to buy freely weapons in Europe, but not for Chile

(4) The Military Junta forbade public reunions, but during WC 1978 they couldn't do anything with the masses in the streets...and they went to the extreme of dismiss that "demagogic thing", to taste it and like it...many analysts said that argentina's foreign policy became footbalistic by the Junta, and that's why Beagle...and clearly Falklands /Malvinas, with all that people cheering Galtieri.

The military declared, as General Bignone, that if they were running for elections in June 1978, they would have won them, and that intoxicated them and clouded the plans to leave power 2- 3 years later

(5) That was the plan, even in 1977 talked with civilian referents...but 1978 blinded the militaries.

(6) This was a plan by the navy in 1977 but with the PAL-B and then PAL-N decided to broadcast the World Cup, it was stopped. But Canal 13 broadcast a few matches in NTSC because they had the equipment they used to test in 1969.

Power in Argentina during Junta days, 33% was divided into each branch of the State, which caused niches of corruption and inter-arms fights, and in the World Cup a color TV center was created and it was forbidden to broadcast on another system, but Channel 13 broadcast the final in Color, because they had the NTSC standard, and nobody opposed him ... who would have done it?) (Argentina adapted his PAL version in N format, for similar issues)

(7) I will do Colombia 1986 after that

Unlike Argentina, it was so traumatic, that it was not hesitated to pressure Colombia to resign to host the 1986 WC organisation

(8) West Germany used a model...then for the final used another different provided by Adidas.

TO BE CONTINUED...
 
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Brazilian debut...in '78




Final minutes of Brazil 2 -Czechoslovakia 0 - FIFA WORLD CUP BRAZIL 1978 -taken from the argentinian broadcasting.



West Germany vs East Germany...Cold War blamed to Rio '78


West Germany, using their alternative kit to thrash iranian debutants...
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Rummenigge's header to put West Germany 1 vs Spain 0, in Belo Horizonte in June 1978 - Image taken from ZDF broadcasting


Spain vs East Germany, image taken from the original motion picture of the World Cup 1978




Kevin Keegan saluting his austrian counterpart at the beginning of an entertained match in Curitiba, FIFA WORLD CUP BRASIL '78


Hans Krank beating Peter Shilton at final minutes...although the victory will be english, the austrians were really close to tie...

(TO BE CONTINUED)
 

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There was no doubt...tunisians were the surprise in Brazil '78...here is the moment when they tie 1-1 against France in Recife


Final moments in Salvador, between Tunisia and Netherlands...THE OFFICIAL BALL WAS CALLED "SAMBA"...



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FIFA WORLD CUP BRASIL '78 saw Diego Maradona's debut...here against egiptians at final moments, who were no rival for argentinians..Maradona only played 2 games into the line up...the rest of the matches he entered at 2nd half mainly...


A polish attack against scots...in Goiania...the scots had a very good training camp (1), and a jolly welcome by the locals and that paid off, despite Lato and company complicated a lot to Ally McLeod pupils...


Henryk Kasperczak vs Scotland


Argentina played without ideas against Scotland...and almost all brazilians cheering scots against their traditional rivals...until Maradona came up at the 10 minutes of 2nd half...and everything changed for the game


Argentinian players, withe scottish exchanged jerseys...saluting to the crowd...in Cuiabá...


Maradona's first match into the line up...and he didn't disappoint...at all. Goiania, June 22, 1978


A BBC documentary broadcasted many years later, about scottish campaign in Brazil '78

TO BE CONTINUED


(1) on the contrary of Argentina '78
 
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2-2 in Curitiba, June 1978...Don Revie's boys are out...and former Leeds manager too...


The pressure of being hosts seemed to were too much for the brazilians...and that was plausible when Asa Hartford opened the score early in the game for the suprised scottish and brazilians for equal...in the image, taken from the original broadcasting, Zico will tie from an outstanding free kick and eventually Brazil would overcome in this second round...nevertheless, Manager Claudio Coutinho was non stop under heavy criticism, because of the poor display of game showed by the brazilians (1)



The 1974 final rematch in Sao Paulo, 1978...but with a tie which eventually would qualify to Netherlands to semifinal...


At this time in Sao Paulo, West Germany was into the best four...only lasted 12 minutes




That picture was a good resume of the 0-0 between Austria and USSR


Minute 80, Diego Maradona's free kick crashed agains the right post of austrian goalkeeper...it was just an announce...


The image capture of the fifth goal of Argentina vs Austria, by Diego Maradona at the final minute..a personal display of skill, dribbing over three austrians, then passing the ball to Bertoni, who gave him back, and Diego defined marvellous as you can see in the picture. Because of the results, in Argentina, everyone was thinking that the "revenge", for being "robbed" in favour to Brazil to host, would come true...but in Semifinals Brazil, in Belo Horizonte, was waiting...

And that was not chosen as the best goal of FIFA WORLD CUP Brazil '78



Bettega is stopped while going to score the third goal for Italia in Natal, Brazil 1978...everybody was paying attention to Brazil, Netherlands, an Argentina thirst of revenge...but the silent and threating advancing was by Italia...
 

(QTXAdsy, you are a genious)

The day of Brazil vs Argentina arrived, and despite being a South American classic, it caused more hysteria in Argentina than in Brazil ... the press, especially the sensationalist, published all kinds of rumors, harangues and various unnecessary issues. Since the security of the hotel where the team was in Belo Horizonte, after Atletico Mineiro refuses to cede their facilites for Argentina arguing "security reasons", it had been emptied of security and people at the entrance did not stop making noise to not let the players sleep (usual in the Libertadores Cup) until that rumours they had threatened to death to the Uruguayan referee so that "the total robbery to Argentina is consummated"

The truth is that Brazil was not ok either ... manager Claudio Countinho, it is known today, was about he was to a brink to be left alone as a protocol manager and that tactical issues remain in charge of the CBF collegiate body. Maybe if Brazil had tied the first two Cup matches, that would have happened (1) but was still in his position, playing not quite right, but winning ... at a steady pace looking for the tetra championship.

The game featured the young Maradona in the initial 11 ... on his back, and today is a rarity, he was number 16 ... replacing Ortiz.

The match itself, left more controversies than certainties. It was slightly higher development for Brazil, because Argentina left Brazill playing and did not refugee, and in fact a cross center from the left, allowed Zico, connect headlong in the penalty spot line less than 5 minutes after the game started ... from there, the control of the ball was 60% -40% for Brazil. Maradona kicked from outside the area, and Leao flew as only the eagles dare avoiding the draw.

Draw that came because of an error, horror, of the Brazilian defense, who tried to play back, and Kempes stole the ball, leaving himself alone and shooting the Brazilian GK who could not avoid 1-1 ...

The 2nd half was similar, but Fillol prevented the Argentinian fence from falling twice, and Kempes crashed a shot into Leao's right post, until what happened today is seen as the "consecration of Argentina as a moral champion "... Argentina felt they had 2 titles of "moral champions", for the press and many people...1966 and this, 1978... Maradona threw a corner, Tarantini receives an elbow in the area that leaves him bleeding and lying on the floor, Argentine players wasted time complaining and Brazilians came out in counterattack ... Passarella manages to steal the ball at the entrance of the large area, but Nelinho, dots the ball, which falls on the feet of Roberto Dinamite, who from the left dribbles two players and almost in the small area, dots the soft ball ... Didi's "folha seca" revisited, certainly ... with Fillol jumping as if it was going to go up when the ball drops abruptly and is 2-1 for Brazil

That was chose FIFA WORLD CUP BRAZIL 1978 best goal

There the protests began again, because the previous action had been criminal. Barreto did not see it, he declared years later, but the linesman who could have raised the pennant, also did nothing. Today it would be impossible with the VAR ... unless it is the Copa America Brazil 2019 ...

Thus, Brazil reached its dream Final, while Maradona was crying like a boy, embraced by Passarella ... and the next day Italy defeated Holland with supreme effort, while the dutch was at the limit of his physical issues. Maybe if that game had been days before, the victory would have been Dutch ... but there is no way of knowing.





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Argentina put an equalizer and silenced the Mineirao for a while at semifinals of 1978 World Cup in Brazil...taken from Argentinian TV broadcasting (2014 re run of the match in Canal 7)


The next day in Fortaleza...







Certainly the most searched picture of that night in july 1978


(1) That happenend in Argentina 78 after two ties by Brazil against Sweden and Spain.
 
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( Pre final Chapter)


Fonte Nova stadium, in Salvador, Bahia, Brazil...July 8, 1978...16.30hs, awaiting for the 3rd place match Argentina vs Netherlads.







In the third place match, Argentina seemed to take it more seriously than Holland ... and so it happened, when at the end of the first half, Kempes, who was crowned World Cup scorer, had already converted two goals to set the 2 -0 at the end of the 1st half. in the 2nd half, Holland went out to discount, and the match began to be hard actions by both teams. It's so, that Argentina, which was losing the ball, saw Diego Maradona enter instead of Ardiles, and minutes later, Bertoni would be sent off by an elbow to Neeskens in the stomach ... paradoxically, Neeskens would be sent off by an elbow hit, again, to the nose of Tarantini, who injured from the blow he received against Brazil, began to bleed profusely, but he did not want to withdraw from the field, although he remained the last two minutes outside ...

Rensenbrink had discounted a penalty, after a push from Passarella, and despite the fact that GK Fillol touched the ball, it was 2-1 ... that the same Dutchman could have tied in the '90 minute when his shot crashed the post .

As an anecdotal note, while Netherlands played in short sleeves, Argentina had to play in long sleeves, with the heat that the players may have felt, because there was a problem with the props and the short sleeve T-shirt kit stayed in Belo Horizonte ...
In Argentina the players were received as world champions ... and in the long term, Argentina did well not to do the World Cup at home, alhough at that time AFA didn't know it...but since in the 80s, Argentina would live its best soccer hour, with the two titles achieved in Spain 1982 and Colombia 1986, and with a glittering Maradona in Colombian lands ...and a vice champion in Italy '90

The Argentine dictatorship ended officialy in November 1981, and the image of "moderate" allowed them to prosecute the Juntas. Today Argentina is a democracy, with its problems, but stable and only since 1990 began trials against former military and already in these times hose are considered a close judged case, and are almost a memory, sad memories of course. Nowadays the problem of Argentina were the organization of the 2014 World Cup, whose costs amounted to $ 3 billion dollars, which was criticized by local media ... of course once the memory of the goals from Higuain and Messi to Neuer, at River Plate Stadium in the Final, began to dissipate.


Kempes scoring 2-0 in Salvador, Brazil...July 8, 1978...argentinian fans there threw roller tapes, which made quite joyful the scene...
 
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( FINAL CHAPTER)


The day came ... since Brazil was confirmed to host for 1978, at the expense of the Argentine organizational incapacity, and after the semifinal controversy, nothing seemed to tarnish the march of Brazil, more than the game that Brazil itself played ... and Italy. Enzo Bearzot's boys had shown a plastic game, where everyone attacked and everyone defended ... but the offensive vocation contrasted with the old Italian "catenaccio", although he had not left it behind.

The criticism of the Italian press itself, despite a solid first round, for the game against East Germany, caused the Italians to keep a "silenzio stampa" against the press, which allowed them to concentrate better, although against Holland they were somewhat startled ... although they say that Dutch players never adapted to the humid heat of northeast Brazil ...

In Brazil, any reference to the "Maracanazo" of 1950 was avoided, but some Brazilian players had already shown themselves somewhat vulnerable to local pressure. They weren't crying in public, but easily injured or detached from the ball as if it burned ...

Thus, when on July 9, 1978 arrived (paradoxically the Argentine's independence day) ... nobody imagined what would happen ... two factors that would condition the match were added to the initial nerves. A bad start, between Amaral and Toninho (not Toninho Cerezo), caused the rapid quite of Paolo Rossi, who defined more subtle than Kempes in the semifinals (crossed and strong in that case) ... and the Maracaná fell silent ... two Minutes later, Zico ran a ball, and felt a tug on his thigh, and had to leave. Thus, in two minutes, Italy was in front and Brazil not only below but without his figure, who now could not be the scorer of BRAZIL '78


Estadio do Maracana, 9 July 1978 - 16.00hs, one hour prior the final...taken from "El Grafico" magazine

So, finished the 1st half. The initial minutes did not start better, Causio crashed a header against Leao's top post ... although after Brazil began to take over the playing field, Dirceu was neutralized and Brazil began to lose possession of the ball ... thus, added silence and despair, came THE SECOND "MARACANAZO" by Marco Tardelli ... scored from the edge of the area with a low left footed shot, and his shout of celebration is still today an icon in every memory of the World Cup, every 4 years ...

In silence, helpless and without answers, the Brazilian public began to applaud the Italian plays ... and even the locality avoided the expulsion of some Brazilian player, for the strong entrances ... when the 90 minutes ended, only booing by the 145.000 retiring brazilian fans were heard in through the images of the Italians and the manager Bearzot .. "il vecchio", the conqueror of Brazil, for the Italians, will continue until 1986 inclusive ... for Brazil it was another devastating blow and every time someone insinuates that Brazil presents itself to organize a new World Cup, most say "no thanks, nothing to lose three over three". Only in 1994 Brazil would again be world champion, against Italy and on penalties, and their participation in Spain '82 and Colombia '86 would also be remembered, for their good game and for staying at the doors, as when they lose 2-0 against West Germany in the semifinals in Barranquilla, Colombia ... "Brazilian magic collides with German realism" will tell the BBC pundit at the time ... But that's another story


Tardelli puts 2-0 to Italy...A TRISTEZA NAO TEM FIM PARA O BRASIL...




The final whistle..and Italy achieves its 3rd World Cup title...the first since pre war times...


Zoff with the Cup...and Henry Kissinger, a well known friend of the dictators of the southern hemisfere...smiles at the background.


Italian Manager Enzo Bearzot in the middle of Maracaná...



TRISTEZA NAO TEM FIM - Part II..the same scenario 28 years later...taken from original broadcasting - FIFA WORLD CUP BRAZIL '78


Soon, perhaps...




Dino Zoff nowadays with a picture of himself at the top of the World at the Maracaná in 1978 in Brazil
 



( FINAL CHAPTER)


The day came ... since Brazil was confirmed to host for 1978, at the expense of the Argentine organizational incapacity, and after the semifinal controversy, nothing seemed to tarnish the march of Brazil, more than the game that Brazil itself played ... and Italy. Enzo Bearzot's boys had shown a plastic game, where everyone attacked and everyone defended ... but the offensive vocation contrasted with the old Italian "catenaccio", although he had not left it behind.

The criticism of the Italian press itself, despite a solid first round, for the game against East Germany, caused the Italians to keep a "silenzio stampa" against the press, which allowed them to concentrate better, although against Holland they were somewhat startled ... although they say that Dutch players never adapted to the humid heat of northeast Brazil ...

In Brazil, any reference to the "Maracanazo" of 1950 was avoided, but some Brazilian players had already shown themselves somewhat vulnerable to local pressure. They weren't crying in public, but easily injured or detached from the ball as if it burned ...

Thus, when on July 9, 1978 arrived (paradoxically the Argentine's independence day) ... nobody imagined what would happen ... two factors that would condition the match were added to the initial nerves. A bad start, between Amaral and Toninho (not Toninho Cerezo), caused the rapid quite of Paolo Rossi, who defined more subtle than Kempes in the semifinals (crossed and strong in that case) ... and the Maracaná fell silent ... two Minutes later, Zico ran a ball, and felt a tug on his thigh, and had to leave. Thus, in two minutes, Italy was in front and Brazil not only below but without his figure, who now could not be the scorer of BRAZIL '78


Estadio do Maracana, 9 July 1978 - 16.00hs, one hour prior the final...taken from "El Grafico" magazine

So, finished the 1st half. The initial minutes did not start better, Causio crashed a header against Leao's top post ... although after Brazil began to take over the playing field, Dirceu was neutralized and Brazil began to lose possession of the ball ... thus, added silence and despair, came THE SECOND "MARACANAZO" by Marco Tardelli ... scored from the edge of the area with a low left footed shot, and his shout of celebration is still today an icon in every memory of the World Cup, every 4 years ...

In silence, helpless and without answers, the Brazilian public began to applaud the Italian plays ... and even the locality avoided the expulsion of some Brazilian player, for the strong entrances ... when the 90 minutes ended, only booing by the 145.000 retiring brazilian fans were heard in through the images of the Italians and the manager Bearzot .. "il vecchio", the conqueror of Brazil, for the Italians, will continue until 1986 inclusive ... for Brazil it was another devastating blow and every time someone insinuates that Brazil presents itself to organize a new World Cup, most say "no thanks, nothing to lose three over three". Only in 1994 Brazil would again be world champion, against Italy and on penalties, and their participation in Spain '82 and Colombia '86 would also be remembered, for their good game and for staying at the doors, as when they lose 2-0 against West Germany in the semifinals in Barranquilla, Colombia ... "Brazilian magic collides with German realism" will tell the BBC pundit at the time ... But that's another story


Tardelli puts 2-0 to Italy...A TRISTEZA NAO TEM FIM PARA O BRASIL...




The final whistle..and Italy achieves its 3rd World Cup title...the first since pre war times...


Zoff with the Cup...and Henry Kissinger, a well known friend of the dictators of the southern hemisfere...smiles at the background.


Italian Manager Enzo Bearzot in the middle of Maracaná...



TRISTEZA NAO TEM FIM - Part II..the same scenario 28 years later...taken from original broadcasting - FIFA WORLD CUP BRAZIL '78


Soon, perhaps...




Dino Zoff nowadays with a picture of himself at the top of the World at the Maracaná in 1978 in Brazil
Wonderful work! So Italy are champions in 1978? Wonder how 1982 goes as such a World Cup in Columbia in 1986 for countries then? Might Wales qualify in the '80's perhaps? Butterflies be damned with how national sides will be different here. Can imagine that with Scotland having a more successful time in 1978 and not making a fool of themselves, maybe Ally MacLeod will still be the manager in 1982 then?
 
Wonderful work! So Italy are champions in 1978? Wonder how 1982 goes as such a World Cup in Columbia in 1986 for countries then? Might Wales qualify in the '80's perhaps? Butterflies be damned with how national sides will be different here. Can imagine that with Scotland having a more successful time in 1978 and not making a fool of themselves, maybe Ally MacLeod will still be the manager in 1982 then?
Thank you Q!..yes, it eventually butterflied (almost) everything…I tend to think that everything eventually comes, related to final results, to an order…so, in case of Argentina, this result – not organize a World cup, and Maradona became earlier part of a world tournament but not into the line up, because in the ‘70s in Argentina he was 3rd in order of consideration, first was Ricardo Bochini, ideal partner of Daniel Bertoni in Independiente, but he had panic attacks early in 1978 so he was discarded (Menotti told that untold story last year), then River Plate’s No. 10 “Beto” Alonso…but he got injured…and people’s choice, Diego Maradona…who was not called for the OTL World Cup in order to “take care of his psycholical age…and not to be carried the team by his shoulder, expecting to be the new Pelé…”

For instances, 1982 Argentina's defense line wont' be the same for years earlier for sure, perhaps Juan Barbas, Juan Simon and Julio Olarticoechea will be there, and not the same men (except Passarella and Tarantini) Menotti put almost for that compromise that managers had with champions despite their age and or performance

So, Argentina’s final result in the next 2 world cup in this TL is, if we can say, inspired in your “All to play for” TL…about Scotland, this boost might be very benefical for Scotland…almost like this:

For sure, England would qualify to Euro '80...althought I'm not sure if they would reach the final...the other one is that Scotland would have a better suited team, and moral boost, so...for Euro 80 qualifying, Scotland will be in better shape and key results with Austria (1-1) at Hampden Park, Portugal (1-0 defeat, in Portugal) and the two defeats home and away against Belgium...would be different ( in Fact, this two belgium victories against Scots gave them the qualification...) I'm not sure if Andy Gray would be called up again in this ATL...

So, results would be something like that ATL

Then, in Euro '80...both England and Scotland will be in the same group...the result of this group?...well, one thing I can say is West Germany will be the champions the same

In Spain 1982... Scotland would make it into second round...(with Poland and Belgium)...England will reach semifinals against France with a result you know...the same as your TL;) in '82
And for sure, Jock Stein won’t die after the match against Wales in 1985

And of course it created a mess for WCQ ’82…in OTL, Wales only needed to win to Iceland …but they tied being local!, and in the last turn the USSR beat them and they went out again Czechoslovaks by goal average…I must do a quick wiki boxes…doing draws like ’78, i really enjoy doing that…it’s going turn out to be a TL into this! Wales had a tremendous generation at that time and a misfortune really close to the scottish team…so yes, in 1982 the would qualify as well than ‘86

Note: for me there is a parallelism between England in the ‘70s/’80s and Argentina in the ‘90s/00…both had tremendous teams and they deserved better luck than the one they had, specially England in the ‘80s…and Argentina in ’02 and ’06…
 
Wonder how 1982 goes as such a World Cup in Columbia in 1986 for countries then? Might Wales qualify in the '80's perhaps? Butterflies be damned with how national sides will be different here. Can imagine that with Scotland having a more successful time in 1978 and not making a fool of themselves, maybe Ally MacLeod will still be the manager in 1982 then?
As QTXAdsy has questioned about butterflies...the answer is YES!, the removal of Argentina to host WC 1978 had created several butterflies effects but eventually everything will be accommodating, at least in the final results, through the years. And Ally McLeod was 1982 manager for Scotland.

Even WCQ were different in many ways...

FIFA WORLD CUP SPAIN 1982

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(1) England became one of seeding teams' leader due the non qualification of Netherlands...but in this case was...different

To be continued..
 

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A total transition team...Netherlands had a mediocre role in 1982 despite qualification to second round. There was some contrast of age in that squad, for instance, in the bench was veteran Johan Neskeens and the exremely young Frank Rijkaard


Soviet Union vs Northern Ireland in La Coruña, 1982


The amazing Algeria vs Northern Ireland, 1982




For cultural ties, Mexico had a great welcome in Spain in 1982, although its performance was far to retribute to the spanish spectators....


A merciless Rummenigge vs Chile




The shocking debut of Spain '82 - Italy 0 vs Belgium 1. here the italians using their alternate kit, despite being the defenders and holders of the title (1)


Italy's farewell goal against Kuwait



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England's debut vs Czcechoslovakia


Argentina's debut vs China...


The image says it all...Maradona with an exchanged jersey cannot hide his frustration... Argentina put 2-0 against England (a free kick of Diego opened the score), but the english team put themselves 2-2 with 10 minutes to the end...and Argentina ended second in his group...

(1) The only way Italy won't finish world champions in 1982 is to be eliminated in 1st round...
 



Spain vs France...


Amazing peruvian victory...in Spain 82






Souness vs Yugoslavia in Malaga, 1982, seconds before put Scotland 2-0...eventually Susic would score the yugoslav's goal of honour...
 
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