AHC: Surviving Hellenistic State with Least Historical Impact

What would be the best candidate for a Hellenistic state—for the purposes of this thread, a nation beyond Greece proper, separate from whichever nation controls Greece proper, that could be considered Greek in culture—to survive past the Hellenistic era, or come into existence after its conclusion, with the minimal impact on the rest of the world? Bonus points if it is also outside of Anatolia—for much of history I’d consider it “Eastern Greece.”

In other words, a surviving “Greek” state somewhere outside of Greece, likely a very small one. One candidate I can picture is an independent Greek count, or even a unified nation, in Southern Italy or Sicily after the Roman collapse. A more off the wall idea is a Syrian Greek city-state of some kind.

Anyone else have any ideas?
 

Albrecht

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Afghanistan and Punjab are good candidates and apart from that, Syria and Egypt would be considered so without the Islamic conquest.
 
A surviving *Cimmerian Bosphoros? Parts of Crimea remained Hellenized into Late Medieval times IOTL, though not as a separate polity.
 

Albrecht

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What about Tajikistan (then Sogdia) and Uzbekistan (then Transoxania)? Any possibility for these to be Hellenized?

We could get an unique Helleno-Iranian culture and population in the Eastern lands with this.
 
Afghanistan and Punjab are good candidates and apart from that, Syria and Egypt would be considered so without the Islamic conquest.
OP has asked for small states with little geopolitical clout, based on the argument that it would allow them to survive for long. All these regions that you have mentioned have a practically uninterrupted history of political relevance.
 
OP has asked for small states with little geopolitical clout, based on the argument that it would allow them to survive for long. All these regions that you have mentioned have a practically uninterrupted history of political relevance.

In this time, has the population of Afghanistan ever been replaced? Like, not converted, not assimilating with new people, but the people who lived there forced to move on or die, and replaced with a new population?

If this didn't ever happen or only happened rarely, then it only needs to happen one time for the population to be mostly Greek and for it to survive to today. Probably they'd be Muslim by today, or possibly Buddhist, but they could preserve some ancient Greek religious ideas.
 

jocay

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The Bosporan Kingdom could've lasted a bit longer than it did. Have Rhescuporis VI beat back the Gothic invasion by Ermanaric and play off both the Eastern Roman Empire and Huns (and other nomadic tribes) against one another.
 

Albrecht

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In this time, has the population of Afghanistan ever been replaced? Like, not converted, not assimilating with new people, but the people who lived there forced to move on or die, and replaced with a new population?

If this didn't ever happen or only happened rarely, then it only needs to happen one time for the population to be mostly Greek and for it to survive to today. Probably they'd be Muslim by today, or possibly Buddhist, but they could preserve some ancient Greek religious ideas.
The base population of whats today Afghanistan was initially Iranian(towards the West and North) and Indo-Aryan(towards the East) speaking though genetically not far from each other.

Buddhism was very influential among all these people. The region definitely did see Greek settlers. So what would happen in a powerful Hellenistic kingdom is that more settlers would come and more would assimilate like did the Anatolians. But you should expect people from outside coming in waves.
 

Albrecht

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OP has asked for small states with little geopolitical clout, based on the argument that it would allow them to survive for long. All these regions that you have mentioned have a practically uninterrupted history of political relevance.
A sufficiently Hellenized Punjab and Afghanistan (then Bactria-Sogdia) is likely to stand the test of time as the fertile lands and resources will grant them good control and a sufficient Greek and Hellenized population base. They would most likely be Graeco-Buddhist. But its possible without any doubt or going into ASB.

Edit: However, a Hellenic influence into Scythia and the Volga would be needed if they want to keep these conquests as the potential source of invasions would be needed to be controlled and tamed. Graeco-Iranian and Graeco-Uralic languages and people would be interesting in that case. But what we've got is an eastern version of the entire Greek and Byzantine Empires, much bigger than what the OP wants.
 
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It is going to be hard for city states to survive through two millenniums. Greek had to create a country like Armenian and Georgian, who trenches deep in the wide range of mountains. A complete conquest without fire arm is closed to impossible.

Perhaps Greek had immigrated to North Africa early and had Hellenized Berber tribes. They created a strong state on the mountains in Morocco and Algeria. They had survived through Carthage, Roman, Vandal and Muslim conquests.

By 16th century, they learn and develop new technologies through trades with states in northern Italy and France.
 

Albrecht

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It is going to be hard for city states to survive through two millenniums. Greek had to create a country like Armenian and Georgian, who trenches deep in the wide range of mountains. A complete conquest without fire arm is closed to impossible.

Perhaps Greek had immigrated to North Africa early and had Hellenized Berber tribes. They created a strong state on the mountains in Morocco and Algeria. They had survived through Carthage, Roman, Vandal and Muslim conquests.

By 16th century, they learn and develop new technologies through trades with states in northern Italy and France.
Exactly my points. Surviving as a City state isn't easy. You need an Empire or a kingdom.
 

Albrecht

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The Greek Bactrian kingdom has a problem with repelling the steppe invasions. Though it could be conquered and held, not suited for a capital. Northern parts of Punjab, Indus Valley and surrounding parts would be good for a settlement of a Greek capital metropolitan province and then conquer and Hellenize the surrounding provinces in the North like Bactria, Sogdia, Scythia and Volga regions later.

After consolidating these, they could shift the capital. But note that like Anatolia, the ethnic Greek settlers will make up a smaller genetic component of these regions in the later days. You can keep it at 30% to be the most optimistic. Beyond that it will be Hellenized Scythians, Uralic people, Indo-Aryans, Bactrians and Sogdians mostly. There could be mild ethnic tensions in the beginning and soon ease out in two or three generations.

This could also increase the Roman influence in the Pontic and the Caspian regions later and soon, Latin will also come to be.
 
Given their history on Rhodes, maybe the Knights would qualify?

Shortly before their demise, the Templars were said to be on the verge of taking over Cyprus officially as an independent entity, maybe they survive here as a shelter for wayward pilgrims, ancient manuscripts, and diabolical banking practices?
 
I think having a Greek colony in modern-day Bahrain or Qatar, perhaps a Macedonian settler colony that increases in population could be a good bet. And if you make them too difficult to conquer directly but too profitable to leave alone, they might be able to survive for centuries as a tributary of whoever dominates the region, most likely Gerrha or the Parthians.
 
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