Glad I could inspire that Lovecraftian description of Communism
You know, I do wonder how Ayn Rand and Objectivism comes out ITTL, if Objectivism isn't completely butterflied of course
I personally hope for Sociopath: The Philosophy being butterflied. Or somehow General Secretary Alisa Rosenbaum for shits and giggles.
In that case you've gotta include a narrative piece about some student commenting on his teacher's odd essay, Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?It was a lot of fun to think about and Lovecraft honestly fits quite well in this context.
As for Ayn Rand, I don't think she leaves Russia but it becomes a question of how exactly her family reacted to the Russian Civil War. IOTL they moved from Petrograd to the Crimea before returning up north following the end of the civil war, going to university but struggling against anti-bourgeoisie prejudice. When thinking about it there is a high likelihood that she and her family are amongst those killed in the series of conflicts for control of Petrograd - the White Petrograd faction weren't exactly going to be positively inclined towards a Jewish bourgeoisie family. However, if they survive, then they would end up under Muscovite rule. Don't know if she even ends up writing - she went to university to study history and pedagogy so I could see her ending up as a school teacher in the Muscovite school system. The United States isn't exactly the most friendly place to Jews coming from Russia during the latter half of the 1920s or early 1930s when they might have considered emigration - Germany or Palestine are probably the prime candidates and ITTL I don't think the Soviet Republic is bad enough for them to take off. So to conclude, Ayn Rand is most likely a school teacher somewhere in western Russia.
General Secretary Alisa Rosenbaum does have a nice ring to it...I personally hope for Sociopath: The Philosophy being butterflied. Or somehow General Secretary Alisa Rosenbaum for shits and giggles.
I read some about the gwangju uprising a few years ago, interesting stuff and completely left field for meSo.... Is it just information overload and this being essentially a bunch of niche topics bundled into a single update that are holding people back from commenting (I know, sorry about always asking for feedback, but it is one of those things which really keep me engaged and let me know if I am on the right or wrong track - it is hard to figure out what people are thinking ), or just a lack of interest in the topic itself? Are people finding the topical coverage of this update interesting or is this an approach I should avoid in the future?
The extensive discussions of classical music probably aren't for everyone, but I do wonder what people think of the literary movements in East Asia (how the JCW shape things there) and what people's thoughts on the Tatlin Tower or the German New Objectivity Movement are (particularly that that movement is connected to the Conservative block, and the general connection between the Modernist and futurist currents to the Conservatives). What about the growth in American censorship and it actually having an impact? Portugal as a cinematic superpower? The whole Chinese section with its gradual shift away from abject modernism and westernization towards an all-out embrace of reformed traditionalist elements?
I spent an absolutely disgusting amount of time trawling through the intricacies of Korean literary movements in the 1920s and 30s (also went into the 40s and 50s to see what impact crisis and independence had) to say nothing of the immense amount of conjecture I have had to get into with the whole Proletkult movement since something like 3/4 of the cultural developments I am exploring were stamped out by various dictatorial forces during this period IOTL. Just want to know people's thoughts on what I think are some of the more fun and weird developments I threw in there as I was writing this (seriously, this ended up being a full 16k words and it was written in something like a week and a half, so this was a lot more of a on-the-spot creativity exercise than a lot of other topics where I could map things out more properly).
EDIT: Completely unrelated, but have any of you guys ever heard of the Gwangju Uprising? I have been watching a show which deals with the event and found it rather fitting to a lot of the TTL events taking place - as well as a reflection on how swiftly society can change. It is honestly disconcerting to think of this sort of massacre playing out in South Korea barely forty years ago, ten years before they democratised and basically set in motion the shift which led to South Korea being a developed country on par with most European and Anglophone countries. In the span of a decade South Korea went from having their intelligence chief literally assassinate a president and perpetrate such brutal repression that it set off a literal armed rebellion to open and free democratic elections and the start of the country's current era. In general the 1980s and 1990s must have been such a weird time to live through as an adult - the sheer scale of transformation feels similar in a lot of ways to that of the 1930s and 1940s.
I read some about the gwangju uprising a few years ago, interesting stuff and completely left field for me
I love everything you write, but am still not Finished Reading. You seem to be able to write faster than I can read
the German New Objectivity Movement are (particularly that that movement is connected to the Conservative block, and the general connection between the Modernist and futurist currents to the Conservatives).
Going forward I suggest putting various cultural and social developments into the chapters that deal with those respective countries – American cultural developments go into the update about America, German developments go into the chapter about Germany etc.
That way its easier for readers to perceive the various developments in the context of the situation of the respective countries, instead of having it all in one giant info dump.
This has the potential to be the most significant development of the whole update in the long term. New movements in culture, art and architecture have usually been linked to the left, while the right for the most part has done little more than react to those developments (one of the few exceptions being the OTL futurist movement in Italy, which was linked to fascism in its early days). But having an influential new cultural movement coming from (or being affiliated with) the right creates a very different kind of dynamic, since it can equip the right with something it has usually lacked, namely a positive vision for society which can compete with the vision of the left, instead of merely defending the status quo.
I think that generally matches the trend in terms of the wider population of the board. There's a lot more attention to political and military aspects and much less input goes into social history. I say this as someone who entirely shares in this bias, BTW, so I'm not saying this reflects poorly on you or me or anyone else, it's just a state of affairs which probably deserves an appraising look. But I have come to believe, as I once did not, that this is a limitation rather than a feature, and it's more reflective of the likely demographics of alternate history writers and readers than it is of anything else. Honestly, while it's perfectly doable to focus a TL on some very narrow aspect (a commercial industry, a social issue, a specific domestic political issue etc), when it comes to a far-sweeping TL that seeks to map butterflies all over the world, the neat division kinda becomes untenable: the two halves really cannot operate in isolation and still give you a complete picture. This TL goes above and beyond in seeking to portray gender relations, ethnic minorities, cultural mores, inter-generational relations, religion, sexuality, and entertainment, and it's rare to see it done so thoroughly and so well in a TL that also focuses on the 20th century's political and military upheavals. It does make it harder to comment sometimes: it's still a gripping read but we lack the background to weigh in. Still, I admire the approach considerably and if I ever get around to writing a full-fledged TL here, I'll try to emulate @Zulfurium's approach!Personally I enjoy reading everything that's been posted here, however my area of knowledge is more political/military aspects of history, as opposed to cultural/societal. So generally I'll only comment on political and military developments.
I think this is key to one of the most underappreciated butterflies of any no Holocaust timeline. OTL, Central European Ashkenazi Jews (both in Germany and in Hungary, especially Budapest, hence the Martian scouts in Budapest joke) punched enormously above their weight scientifically in the 1880-1930 period. This is often rounded off to German dominance of science pre-Nazis, but it was more precisely German/Hungarian Ashkenazi Jew's dominance of science (with Germany being much bigger and more industrialized then Hungary). OTL, this was cut off* by the fact that vast majority of central European Ashkenazim were murdered in the Holocaust. TTL, that won't happen, and it seems likely that there will continue to be an enormous number of prominent Ashkenazi scientists, which probably means quicker scientific progress in general.The first half of the Twentieth Century was a period of immense new leaps forward in humanity's understanding of the world - in the fields of physics, mathematics and chemistry the fundamental understanding of how the world functioned and its base elements were in a state of constant flux and development, with new theories and understandings incredibly widespread. At the heart of it all lay Germany, a bastion of theoretical sciences and the vanguard of new technological developments. From Göttingen, Münich and Copenhagen, massive steps in particular the theory of physics occurred under the leadership and direction of Max Born, Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr, with students and theoreticians from the entire world flocking to the Zollverein to learn more.
I knew this TL was secretly a Danewank!Notably, this period would see widescale modernization and mechanization across vast swathes of Eastern Europe, in large part funded by what would grow into truly massive Danish agricultural cooperatives based around Diary, Beef, Pork, Chicken and Wheat-products, with the cooperatives eventually running every part of the supply chain across half of Europe - making them amongst the largest and most powerful agricultural corporations in the world.
I think this is key to one of the most underappreciated butterflies of any no Holocaust timeline. OTL, Central European Ashkenazi Jews (both in Germany and in Hungary, especially Budapest, hence the Martian scouts in Budapest joke) punched enormously above their weight scientifically in the 1880-1930 period. This is often rounded off to German dominance of science pre-Nazis, but it was more precisely German/Hungarian Ashkenazi Jew's dominance of science (with Germany being much bigger and more industrialized then Hungary). OTL, this was cut off* by the fact that vast majority of central European Ashkenazim were murdered in the Holocaust. TTL, that won't happen, and it seems likely that there will continue to be an enormous number of prominent Ashkenazi scientists, which probably means quicker scientific progress in general.
*Ashkenazi Jews continued to disproportionately contribute to science, but there weren't very many after the Holocaust.
I knew this TL was secretly a Danewank!
It isn't a true Danewank unless there is a 20th century scene set in Stockholm, Denmark.I remember listening to a podcast or audiobook where the question was asked "How many Einsteins, Turings and Hawkings died during the First and Second World War, during the Holocaust and the Spanish Flu?" Made a real impact on my thinking. That said, you are completely correct in Ashkenazi Jews from Central Europe having a truly disproportionate role in modern scientific developments and their push into exile or murder during the Holocaust is something which has truly set back European scientific development by many, many years.
My TLs are always secretly Danewanks, have a rather soft spot for the Bengal as well I just try to keep the wanks relatively low-key, which is a lot easier to do with somewhere like Denmark which lacks the scale to really warp the timeline during wanks Certainly easier to do without it becoming overly problematic than if I were an American, German or Russian