A Blunted Sickle - Thread II

I think it would be easier to let the Japanese Navy... em-mm... improve the command of the Japanese army. 460 mm shells. At least compared to creating at least a certain number of combat-ready forces from the fact that "loyal" to the KMT commanders believe the troops.
Look up where the army HQ is on a map. "Danger Close" with very heavy artillery is... scary.

In that case... The demilitarization of Germany can begin with the resumption of an old, very old and undeservedly forgotten German folk craft. Historically, when the German Prince had absolutely nothing to sell, he sold mercenaries. Germany sells its handpicked mercenaries to Chiang Kai-shek for a long contract - say, ten years. The new peace-loving German government gets the money. Selected Prussians and militarists who are not capable of peaceful life are given the opportunity to start a new life somewhere far, very far from Europe ("And do not return!"). The Kuomintang government receives combat-ready "Green banner" units and instructors for the "Eight banners" militia, which previously pretended to be their army. Everyone wins, except the Japanese and the Communists, but they can't be counted.
Not so far from what was done in OTL - the Légion étrangère was mostly German-speaking for quite a few years after the war. Any German government being involved in such a transaction would be a big red flag though - the Kuomintang would be fine though.

The Entente does not foresee problems with America, without the Bretton-Woods system and under the circumstances of isolationist domination. Well. The combination of isolationism with the Monroe doctrine and newspaper cries of "British atomic bombs at our borders!" ... Hm. Who is there in our next election extreme? And whether he has room in the program for several new items dedicated to the fight against the anti-democratic, and therefore anti-American colonial system...
They'd dealt with it before. I'd see it as being more likely a combination of McCarthy investigating Lyman Briggs with Edward Teller being given a blank cheque to develop "super" though - it's a very multilateral world and while the US is going to be wary of the Great White North (particularly if they get nuclear weapons before the US), they would be no means the only US concern. If the Soviets are the second to get nuclear weapons (highly probable actually - they would be a long way ahead of the US ITTL) that would serve to very effectively divert the paranoia onto the USSR rather than British Empire.
 
They'd dealt with it before. I'd see it as being more likely a combination of McCarthy investigating Lyman Briggs with Edward Teller being given a blank cheque to develop "super" though - it's a very multilateral world and while the US is going to be wary of the Great White North (particularly if they get nuclear weapons before the US), they would be no means the only US concern. If the Soviets are the second to get nuclear weapons (highly probable actually - they would be a long way ahead of the US ITTL) that would serve to very effectively divert the paranoia onto the USSR rather than British Empire.
Depending on how threatening the Soviet Union is perceived to be the British may find it in their interest to assist the U.S. in developing nuclear weapons. It would allay U.S. fears on British intentions and help foster common defense treaties against the Soviets.
 
Look up where the army HQ is on a map. "Danger Close" with very heavy artillery is... scary.


Not so far from what was done in OTL - the Légion étrangère was mostly German-speaking for quite a few years after the war. Any German government being involved in such a transaction would be a big red flag though - the Kuomintang would be fine though.


They'd dealt with it before. I'd see it as being more likely a combination of McCarthy investigating Lyman Briggs with Edward Teller being given a blank cheque to develop "super" though - it's a very multilateral world and while the US is going to be wary of the Great White North (particularly if they get nuclear weapons before the US), they would be no means the only US concern. If the Soviets are the second to get nuclear weapons (highly probable actually - they would be a long way ahead of the US ITTL) that would serve to very effectively divert the paranoia onto the USSR rather than British Empire.
В таком случае флот может использовать свои авианосцы. Поддерживать уровень точности бомбометания очень важно для эскадрилий пикирующих бомбардировщиков "Кидо Бутай". Если они не могут попасть даже в неподвижную мишень размером с министерство армии, то как они могут рассчитывать поразить движущийся линкор в море?

В Легион берут добровольцев, и он, в общем, сравнительно небольшой. Если нам нужно перевоспитать целую нацию, и довольно большую нацию - то этого недостаточно. Конечно, массовая отправка в Китай по долговременному контракту поднимет много флагов. И дальше что? Неужели кому-то не хватило трех больших войн с участием возбужденного прусским милитаризмом Дойчланда, и хочется повоевать с немцами четвертый раз за сто лет? Так что демилитаризация должна либо начаться с отправки всех бывших военнослужащих выше определенного звания на длительные курсы перевоспитания - что малореально по целому ряду факторов, начиная со стоимости предприятия... Либо с создания для них таких условий мирной жизни, в которых у них будет выбор между нищенством на паперти и подписанием контракта с Гоминьданом на 10-15 лет.

Разумеется, они имели с этим дело раньше. В предыдущий раз, когда "они имели с этим дело", все закончилось ограничениями флота и "открытыми дверями" в Китае. Какова цена американской дружбы будет сейчас? Американской экономике нужны рынки. Существование Антанты в той форме, которую она приобрела в этом ТЛ, держит эти рынки закрытыми для американцев. И делить уже нечего, кроме СССР, который будет возражать (и у которого есть атомная бомба), и двух колониальных империй.

In this case, the fleet can use its aircraft carriers. Maintaining the level of precision bombing is very important for the Kido Butai dive bomber squadrons. If they can't even hit a stationary target the size of the Ministry of the army, how can they expect to hit a moving battleship at sea?


The Legion takes volunteers, and it is, in General, relatively small. If we need to re-educate an entire nation, and a fairly large nation, that is not enough. Of course, a mass shipment to China under a long-term contract will raise a lot of flags. And then what? Did someone not have enough three big wars with the participation of Deutschland, excited by Prussian militarism, and want to fight the Germans for the fourth time in a hundred years? So demilitarization should either start with sending all former military personnel above a certain rank to long - term re-education courses-which is not realistic for a number of factors, starting with the cost of the enterprise... Either by creating such conditions for them to live in peace, in which they will have a choice between begging on the porch and signing a contract with the Kuomintang for 10-15 years.


Of course, they'd dealt with it before. The previous time "they had to deal with it", it ended up with Navy restrictions and "open doors" in China. What is the price of American friendship now? The USA economy needs markets. The existence of the Entente in the form it has acquired in this TL keeps these markets closed to the Americans. And there is nothing to divide, except the USSR, which will object (and which has an atomic bomb), and two colonial empires.
 
Ultimately that will depend on what they see the threat to be. In OTL 1945 the RN was the second largest navy on earth. The largest belonged to a close ally, and the third largest was... the Royal Canadian Navy. In those circumstances huge cutbacks are inevitable.
Here, Japan is seen as a peer naval threat (particularly once they find out about the Yamato class), the USN is much smaller and less friendly, and the Soviets are up to something.


They'll be fine for a while - the Sea Hawk for instance would have no problems - but eventually they will need a Victorious-style rebuild or new carriers.
Yes, with a possibility of Japan continuing to be a threat, there would be much more urgency in actually keeping the large fleet as a detterance. Still, that is unlikely to save a lot of older ships from fullfilling their one last duty, by becoming part of annual British Steel Production, as the newer ships enter service. Gradually, as time passes we will see reductions, as financial realities do require them. R-class (-1 ship) is already in reserve, QEs, Renowns, Nelsons and Hood are likely to follow, as are old CVs and the oldest Cruiser and Destroyer dregs dating back from WW1 or early Interwar period. Escorts, while not built anywhere near the numbers of OTL, are also going to free up some more manpower, things like Flower class are the first to go, perhaps not scrapped, but sold off/transfered to Dominions or friendly governments. There seems to be plenty of fat to cut away, and even with Japan still presenting a threat, RN could still be able to field a very powerful force, especially once augumented by more powerful surface units of MN. Of course, this is not going to happen overnight, and the reffited ships are going to remain in service a bit longer, then their unmodernized sisters, but sooner or later it will happen. Though, once TTLs version of Blackburn Buccaner (or whatever they come up with) makes its maiden flight, alongside something like OTLs Red Beard, that is likely it for Battleships and many other large surface combatants, and they are not likely to linger in service for much longer.

I mean, would it really be all that bad for the RN to have its CVs undergo Victorious style modernizations? TBF, hopefully avoiding the utter disasters that were made during it would be helpful, as would not having to pay 6 times as much as was initially assumed, or having the refit last for 7 years, but some mistakes are still likely to be made. A year per CV for a refit, would be a reasonable estimate IMHO, and while it could be argued back and forth would it be better to simply build a new design from scratch, the existing ones would still be seen as having plenty of service life left, and Treasury is not too likely to budge.

Hell. They do not have to keep all 8 while we are at it. Give 4 of the damned things to the French MN, and let them foot the bill for the modernization. We have had mentions of RN and MN cooperating together in the designing and building of 100k ton CVs, so while it might be a stretch, it is not completely out of realm of possible.

Design work starts on a replacement fleet carrier for the RN and MN, with an anticipated in-service date of 1992. 4 carriers are required by the RN and 3 by the MN – as such development is carried out outside the Ottawa agreement under a special agreement with the French whereby they will pay 40% of the cost of the design work in return for a production license for 3 vessels.

They are to be powered by a single molten salt reactor based around the first-generation civil reactors rather than oil firing or a PWR (RN doesn’t want fuel oil boilers, gas turbines aren’t powerful enough for such a big ship, no suitable PWR exists and the UK does not have the confidence that it can design one in a reasonable timeframe – MSRs however are starting to be very well understood from the civil nuclear programme). Displacement is expected to be in the region of 100,000 tonnes and overall length just over 300m, with assembly of these monster vessels to be carried out at Harland & Wolff and John Brown for the UK (2 carriers each, to meet the build rate required) or Chantiers de l'Atlantique for the French. These shipyards are the only ones to have dry-docks large enough to fit these monster vessels, although a significant fraction of the components (nuclear plant, radars, etc.) will be fabricated off-site and installed on delivery.
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Though, while I (and many others) have been wishing for some more info on some other small nations, and what are they been up to, I very much understand that OP does not have enough time or info on his hands for something like that. So, would Pdf perhaps accept if somebody else provides the info, sends it to him in PM, and then he incorporates it into his TL? That would please those that constantly ask for info on country X, and they would have to put some work in, while OP would avoid the likelyhood of getting it wrong and getting crucified for it.
 
The Legion takes volunteers, and it is, in General, relatively small. If we need to re-educate an entire nation, and a fairly large nation, that is not enough. Of course, a mass shipment to China under a long-term contract will raise a lot of flags. And then what? Did someone not have enough three big wars with the participation of Deutschland, excited by Prussian militarism, and want to fight the Germans for the fourth time in a hundred years? So demilitarization should either start with sending all former military personnel above a certain rank to long - term re-education courses-which is not realistic for a number of factors, starting with the cost of the enterprise... Either by creating such conditions for them to live in peace, in which they will have a choice between begging on the porch and signing a contract with the Kuomintang for 10-15 years.
Alternatively they can just do the OTL method of warcrimes tribunal > five years of house arrest > rehabilitated > new uniform > "never actually was a Nazi, at most merely a preemptive Cold Warrior" > nice retirement package buttressed by revenue gained by publishing their book titled Heer is what made the German Army so cool, and its sequel, Look Over Heer, as well as their tell all memoir, Heer Is Wehr I Stand.

Now some would raise a moral argument against OTL's somewhat half baked denazification, but I think Germany still turned out alright.
 
Alternatively they can just do the OTL method of warcrimes tribunal > five years of house arrest > rehabilitated > new uniform > "never actually was a Nazi, at most merely a preemptive Cold Warrior" > nice retirement package buttressed by revenue gained by publishing their book titled Heer is what made the German Army so cool, and its sequel, Look Over Heer, as well as their tell all memoir, Heer Is Wehr I Stand.

Now some would raise a moral argument against OTL's somewhat half baked denazification, but I think Germany still turned out alright.
Как писал автор, Антанта не хочет де-нацификацию. Лондону и Парижу нужны де-милитаризация. А это значит, что немцев, которые были военными, став ими по своему выбору, в Германии должно стать гораздо меньше. В идеале такие люди должны исчезнуть вообще. Как тяжкое наследие прусского милитаризма, заразившего нежную душу простого среднего немца всеми этими противными сказками о блестящих сапогах, марширующих гусиным шагом когортах, треске барабанов и грохоте орудий. Такие побуждения должны быть стерты из коллективного бессознательного немецкого народа, за исключением ощущения легкого стыда при возникновении соответствующих мыслей во время просмотра ТВ-репортажа о военном параде на День Бастилии.

Немцы, совершавшие военные и иные преступления, будут судимы, осуждены и соответствующим образом наказаны. Немцы, имеющие неправильный, прусско-милитаристический образ мышления, должны быть преобразованы - что трудно и дорого. Либо они должны быть удалены из популяции для прекращения распространения ими такого образа мыслей.

Ну, а также и для того, чтобы если вдруг начнется какое-то движение типа заварухи (например, после обмена ядерными ударами между СССР и Антантой), оно бы не нашло для себя грамотных в военном отношении полевых командиров.

As the author wrote, the Entente does not want de-Nazification. London and Paris need de-militarization. This means that the Germans who were military, becoming them by choice, in Germany should become much less. Ideally, such people should disappear altogether. As a heavy legacy of Prussian militarism, which infected the tender soul of the average German with all these disgusting tales of shiny boots, goose-stepping cohorts, the crackle of drums and the roar of guns. Such motivations should be erased from the collective unconscious of the German people, except for the feeling of slight shame when the corresponding thoughts occur while watching a TV report on the military parade on Bastille Day.

Germans who have committed war and other crimes will be tried, convicted and punished accordingly. The Germans who have the wrong, Prussian-militaristic way of thinking must be transformed - which is difficult and expensive. Or they should be removed from the population to stop them spreading this way of thinking.

Well, and also in order that if suddenly some movement of the type of skirmish begins (for example, after the exchange of nuclear strikes between the USSR and the Entente), it would not find for itself militarily competent field commanders.
 
As the author wrote, the Entente does not want de-Nazification. London and Paris need de-militarization.
And I'm sure they'll start cutting corners on that about as quickly as they started cutting corners on de-Nazification. As you said, reeducating an entire class of people is prohibitively costly, but here's the funny thing; so is deporting them to China.
 
And I'm sure they'll start cutting corners on that about as quickly as they started cutting corners on de-Nazification. As you said, reeducating an entire class of people is prohibitively costly, but here's the funny thing; so is deporting them to China.
Не депортируем, нет. Мы предлагаем китайскому правительству пакет услуг, включающий поставки оборудования, высококвалифицированного обслуживающего и административного персонала, инструкторов для обучения местных кадров... И все это на длительный срок, под гарантию Великих Держав и за совершенно смешные деньги!

Not deport, no. We offer the Chinese government a package of services that includes the supply of equipment, highly qualified service and administrative personnel, and instructors for training local personnel... And all this for a long time, under the guarantee of the Great Powers and for absolutely ridiculous money!
 
Not deport, no. We offer the Chinese government a package of services that includes the supply of equipment, highly qualified service and administrative personnel, and instructors for training local personnel... And all this for a long time, under the guarantee of the Great Powers and for absolutely ridiculous money!
So, prohibitive costs?
 
Alternatively they can just do the OTL method of warcrimes tribunal > five years of house arrest > rehabilitated > new uniform > "never actually was a Nazi, at most merely a preemptive Cold Warrior" > nice retirement package
That'd be more difficult iTTL given how the Nazis never actually got around to fighting the Soviets.

(But I love the titles.)
 
That'd be more difficult iTTL given how the Nazis never actually got around to fighting the Soviets.

(But I love the titles.)
True, I also imagine there will be fewer new uniforms to hand out as Germany isn't the West's border march against Bolshevism iTTL (Poland presumably has that distinction).
 
So, prohibitive costs?
Гм. Китайское правительство получает... Ну, эрзац-вермахт. И эрзац-люфтваффе. Даже, может быть, кригсмарине (у нас тут по случаю есть несколько устаревших, но все еще боеспособных линкоров - вы не заинтересованы?) Это абсолютно верные и высоко квалифицированные войска, которые маршал Чан Кайши не может получить никаким другим путем. Вообще. То, что местные варлорды и прочие атаманы бродячих шаек выдают за войска... Гм. Да, это даже не румыны. Обучение их до уровня, сравнимого с уровнями экс-вермахта... Нет, серьезно, просто нет. Авантюристы из США и Европы в Китае - они есть, они квалифицированы, некоторые даже более квалифицированы, чем немецкие асы. Но набрать из них несколько дивизий?

Так что да, плата за контракт германскому правительству и зарплаты наемников - это смешные, совершенно смешные деньги. За товар такого класса. Тем более что средства может выделить и Антанта. Понятное дело, в кредит, под залог чего-нибудь небольшого и ценного (например, порта Шанхай) - но все же!

Немецкие офицеры и нон-ком получают возможность не подыхать в канаве у себя на родине, где действуют черные списки для лиц с "прусско-милитаристическим образом мысли" (включая выдачу таким лицам заграничных паспортов) - они, в конце концов, сами выбрали военную службу в качестве карьеры, и теперь они могут продолжать строить карьеру. Просто, вы понимаете, на службе китайского правительства. Причем за свои услуги они будут получать достаточно приличное - по местным меркам - жалование. Им даже могут привезти их семьи (при условии согласия членов семей) - бесплатно!

The Chinese government gets ... well, the ersatz Wehrmacht. And the ersatz Luftwaffe. Even, perhaps, the Kriegsmarine (we have here on occasion a few outdated, but still combat-ready battleships - are you not interested?) These are absolutely loyal and highly qualified troops that Marshal Chiang Kai-shek cannot get any other way. A-absolutely. The fact that local warlords and other chieftains of wandering gangs pass for troops ... Hm. Yes, it's not even Romanians. Training them to a level comparable to that of the ex-Wehrmacht... No, seriously, just not. Adventurers from the United States and Europe in China - they are there, they are qualified, some even more qualified than the German aces. But to recruit several divisions from them?

So Yes, the contract fees to the German government and the salaries of the mercenaries are ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous money. For a product of this class. Moreover, the Entente can also allocate funds. Of course, on credit, secured by something small and valuable (for example, the port of Shanghai) - but still!

German officers and non-coms are able not to die in a ditch at home, where there are black lists for people with a "Prussian-militaristic way of thinking" (including the issuance of foreign passports to such persons) - they, after all, chose military service as a career, and now they can continue to build a career. Just, you know, in the service of the Chinese government. And for their services, they will receive a fairly decent - by local standards - salary. They can even be brought by their families (subject to the consent of family members) - for free!
 
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Even, perhaps, the Kriegsmarine (we have here on occasion a few outdated, but still combat-ready battleships - are you not interested?)
I forget the post, but I'm pretty sure the Kriegsmarine's major combat units were sold to the Soviets to help pay for the logistical support that kept the Wehrmacht in the field until the end of the war (as a result of which the Red Army is rather short of trucks at the moment, unless I misremember). There might be a few destroyers and patrol craft left, but nothing bigger than a light cruiser, or such of them as survived the Royal Navy's attentions. And even if the Kriegsmarine survived the war whole and entire, it wouldn't give the IJN much trouble beyond target practice; outside of gun range the IJN has an effectively infinite ratio of aerial superiority, thanks to the lack of German carriers, while inside gun range the Kreigsmarine would have four battleships (assuming all of them were finished and worked up), three Panzerschiffe, three heavy cruisers, and six light cruisers against the IJN's twelve battleships and thirty-eight to forty-three cruisers. Not exactly the sort of odds that would encourage one to throw the iron dice.
 
the Kriegsmarine's major combat units were sold to the Soviets
Да, они были. Но я говорил не о немецких линкорах. У англичан и французов есть несколько старых кораблей, которые, если их покрыть новым слоем краски и привинтить на палубу и крыши башен несколько "Бофорсов" и "Эрликонов", могут выглядеть достаточно грозно.

Контракт на постоянное обслуживание этих чудищ - запчасти, боеприпасы, лейнеры для пушек и т.д. - могут даже слегка поддержать на плаву чью-нибудь судостроительную промышленность.
Yes, they were. But I wasn't talking about German battleships. The English and French have several old ships that, if they are covered with a new layer of paint and screwed on the deck and roof of the towers a few "Bofors" and "Erlicons", can look quite formidable.

A contract for the permanent maintenance of these monsters-spare parts, ammunition, gun liners, etc.-can even slightly keep someone's shipbuilding industry afloat.
 
Depending on how threatening the Soviet Union is perceived to be the British may find it in their interest to assist the U.S. in developing nuclear weapons. It would allay U.S. fears on British intentions and help foster common defense treaties against the Soviets.
Short term I would expect something similar to the agreement whereby they assisted each other by facilitating fallout sampling flights from each other's tests, plus possibly some of the "twenty questions" routine from OTL - both of which happened despite the McMahon act.
Longer term I could also see a substantial trade in fissile material between the two blocs (much as OTL) - given where Canada is, they can't really afford to be hostile competitors and their interests are mostly aligned.

In this case, the fleet can use its aircraft carriers. Maintaining the level of precision bombing is very important for the Kido Butai dive bomber squadrons. If they can't even hit a stationary target the size of the Ministry of the army, how can they expect to hit a moving battleship at sea?
The problem isn't so much hitting the ministry, it's the blast radius of the weapons they're hitting it with. It's a large compound, less than a mile from the Imperial Palace where the Ministry of Defence is currently based. The blast radius of them isn't too bad, but the Imperial Palace would probably still be hit by shrapnel. Given the mindset of the time, I would expect it to be much smaller weapons if it ever happened - SNLF tanks at most, despite how appealing the idea of a FOO calling in 18" artillery is.

Of course, they'd dealt with it before. The previous time "they had to deal with it", it ended up with Navy restrictions and "open doors" in China. What is the price of American friendship now? The USA economy needs markets. The existence of the Entente in the form it has acquired in this TL keeps these markets closed to the Americans. And there is nothing to divide, except the USSR, which will object (and which has an atomic bomb), and two colonial empires.
<shrugs> It's still cheaper than a war, cold or hot, for both of them - and in OTL they managed to find an accomodation between their ideologies good enough to be formally allied. The reality is that by this point the USA is the biggest market in the world by quite some margin, and indeed is in a better place than it was in OTL with far less money spent on non-productive military kit choking off the civil economy. GDP is smaller in paper terms, but I'm not convinced this is actually that serious a problem.

Yes, with a possibility of Japan continuing to be a threat, there would be much more urgency in actually keeping the large fleet as a deterrence. Still, that is unlikely to save a lot of older ships from fulfilling their one last duty, by becoming part of annual British Steel Production, as the newer ships enter service. Gradually, as time passes we will see reductions, as financial realities do require them. R-class (-1 ship) is already in reserve, QEs, Renowns, Nelsons and Hood are likely to follow, as are old CVs and the oldest Cruiser and Destroyer dregs dating back from WW1 or early Interwar period.
R-class is pretty depleted - Royal Oak was sunk at Scapa as in OTL, Ramillies is damaged and being sold to the Union and Revenge was sunk in shallow water off Dunkirk. That just leaves Royal Sovereign at Scapa and Resolution at Alexandria, both of which will be heading to Inverkeithing for scrapping as soon as the war ends. Hood has had a very serious engine room fire in Gibraltar, which will require a major refit - in the circumstances I would also expect that she would be scrapped, since she would require a major refit/rebuild anyway and the RN is getting Lion and Temeraire.

Escorts, while not built anywhere near the numbers of OTL, are also going to free up some more manpower, things like Flower class are the first to go, perhaps not scrapped, but sold off/transfered to Dominions or friendly governments. There seems to be plenty of fat to cut away, and even with Japan still presenting a threat, RN could still be able to field a very powerful force, especially once augumented by more powerful surface units of MN.
It needs to be remembered that in peacetime, the enemy is to be found on the other side of the Foreign Office building rather than the other side of the world. Traditionally the RN did pretty well in peacetime, although here the RAF are a very significant threat which will only grow as nuclear weapons arrive.

Though, once TTLs version of Blackburn Buccaner (or whatever they come up with) makes its maiden flight, alongside something like OTLs Red Beard, that is likely it for Battleships and many other large surface combatants, and they are not likely to linger in service for much longer.
The Red Beard analogue and amphibious ships are also their major weapon against the RAF in the postwar battle for budgets. That's something Mountbatten did supremely well.

I mean, would it really be all that bad for the RN to have its CVs undergo Victorious style modernizations? TBF, hopefully avoiding the utter disasters that were made during it would be helpful, as would not having to pay 6 times as much as was initially assumed, or having the refit last for 7 years, but some mistakes are still likely to be made. A year per CV for a refit, would be a reasonable estimate IMHO, and while it could be argued back and forth would it be better to simply build a new design from scratch, the existing ones would still be seen as having plenty of service life left, and Treasury is not too likely to budge.
One issue is that they're just that bit too small - the most advanced jets they could take would be Buccaneers, and that's only due to the very high level of engine lift (blown flaps). There is no prospect of flying anything more complex off them, and indeed anything more complex than a Sea Hawk probably needs expensive modification to fly off. In the OTL world which was extremely budget-constrained then modernisation is the order of the day. With a bit more money, I'm not so sure.

Though, while I (and many others) have been wishing for some more info on some other small nations, and what are they been up to, I very much understand that OP does not have enough time or info on his hands for something like that. So, would Pdf perhaps accept if somebody else provides the info, sends it to him in PM, and then he incorporates it into his TL? That would please those that constantly ask for info on country X, and they would have to put some work in, while OP would avoid the likelyhood of getting it wrong and getting crucified for it.
I'm happy to discuss it on this thread, but I don't want to bring it into the story. Essentially the more parts of the world the story covers, the slower I end up writing it - and it's already glacially slow, although that should pick up a little after the end of the war.

Alternatively they can just do the OTL method of warcrimes tribunal > five years of house arrest > rehabilitated > new uniform > "never actually was a Nazi, at most merely a preemptive Cold Warrior" > nice retirement package buttressed by revenue gained by publishing their book titled Heer is what made the German Army so cool, and its sequel, Look Over Heer, as well as their tell all memoir, Heer Is Wehr I Stand.

Now some would raise a moral argument against OTL's somewhat half baked denazification, but I think Germany still turned out alright.
I think it'll be simpler than that - on release from a PoW camp, everyone will get a very short briefing:
  1. If you even think about forming any sort of Freikorps, you'll be back in here for good before your feet even touch the ground.
  2. Germany will not have any armed forces again in your lifetime, so go do something useful with your lives.
  3. We'll be watching, so make sure you behave yourselves.
As the author wrote, the Entente does not want de-Nazification. London and Paris need de-militarization. This means that the Germans who were military, becoming them by choice, in Germany should become much less. Ideally, such people should disappear altogether. As a heavy legacy of Prussian militarism, which infected the tender soul of the average German with all these disgusting tales of shiny boots, goose-stepping cohorts, the crackle of drums and the roar of guns. Such motivations should be erased from the collective unconscious of the German people, except for the feeling of slight shame when the corresponding thoughts occur while watching a TV report on the military parade on Bastille Day.
I think that overstates the problem. The fact that Germany lost so badly this time around helps a lot. They just need to ensure that no German government or broadcaster/publisher is allowed to spread any form of Dolchstoßlegende v2, and that they aren't allowed to keep the corporate knowledge required for an effective military.

The Germans who have the wrong, Prussian-militaristic way of thinking must be transformed - which is difficult and expensive. Or they should be removed from the population to stop them spreading this way of thinking.
Ideas don't spread by osmosis - provided they keep their thoughts to themselves or their immediate acquaintances that isn't a problem. The real threat is a second version of the Reichswehr or former soldiers using positions of power or influence to spread their ideas. Both of these are relatively easy for an occupation force to deal with.

Well, and also in order that if suddenly some movement of the type of skirmish begins (for example, after the exchange of nuclear strikes between the USSR and the Entente), it would not find for itself militarily competent field commanders.
Why would they regard any of the German field commanders of TTL's WW2 as especially competent? They've got their own field commanders who they (rightly or wrongly) regard as rather more competent.

Not deport, no. We offer the Chinese government a package of services that includes the supply of equipment, highly qualified service and administrative personnel, and instructors for training local personnel... And all this for a long time, under the guarantee of the Great Powers and for absolutely ridiculous money!
No chance the occupation forces would permit that - they would regard it as the Reichswehr in glasses and a fake moustache. If the Kuomintang wants to recruit former soldiers to serve in China and offer them citizenship afterwards that would probably be accepted, conditional on renouncing their German citizenship, but any involvement by a German government would be totally unacceptable.

True, I also imagine there will be fewer new uniforms to hand out as Germany isn't the West's border march against Bolshevism iTTL (Poland presumably has that distinction).
It's worth remembering that without Barbarossa and the resulting enormous Red Army followed by the occupation of Soviet client states/buffer zone in Eastern Europe, they really aren't seen as nearly as big a threat. Essentially the view from Paris and London is a mix of "creepy political system" and "the Bear is playing the Great Game again". The risk of a fight with Poland along the border is a concern, but nothing like the level of tension across the inner German border in OTL.
Nuclear weapons change this somewhat - my view is that they'll be broadly equivalent in effect to the Dreadnought races with Germany 40 years earlier in that they mean the Soviet Union suddenly poses a threat to them directly which was absent beforehand (this of course works both ways, but don't expect the Mandarins in Whitehall or the Quai D'Orsay to see it like that).

Yes, they were. But I wasn't talking about German battleships. The English and French have several old ships that, if they are covered with a new layer of paint and screwed on the deck and roof of the towers a few "Bofors" and "Erlicons", can look quite formidable.

A contract for the permanent maintenance of these monsters-spare parts, ammunition, gun liners, etc.-can even slightly keep someone's shipbuilding industry afloat.
Not happening. The Japanese occupy most of the coast so the Chinese really don't have anywhere to base them - and in any case the only sensible mission for a Chinese navy which needs anything bigger than a river gunboat is blockading the Japanese enclaves along the coast. That requires either submarines (highly complex warships which need first-class dockyard support, and giving German sailors U-boats will set off bad memories) or a fleet which can go directly toe-to-toe with the Japanese. Repainted scrap ships won't do this.
There is also the issue that not going to war with Japan is vastly more important than tying them up in China. Shipping "scrap iron" and allowing recruitment of mercenaries isn't too big a deal - direct dockyard support is a much bigger one, particularly as it will be local to the area so the Japanese can do something about it.
 
So, prohibitive costs?
Wouldn't China be paying this cost? After all when mercenaries are hired isn't it the entity or state they fight for that pays them?

EDIT: Nevermind, just read through pdf27's omnibus reply, and you can't have a pay issue between the Entente/Germany and China if you don't have government mediated mercenary program!
 
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Thinking about how each of the powers would view a strong China under CKS, the Japanese would be horrified, the Soviets also probably aren't thrilled. Not sure on the Italians. The Americans would probably be pretty happy (China would have become *very* strong (OTL 201X) to threaten the Philippines and by that point the Americans expect to be gone.

Not sure on the Entente, it is mixed, keeps the Japanese and Soviets busy, but both the British (Hong Kong) and French (Northern edge of FIC) have areas which a stronger China might want...
 
They'd dealt with it before. I'd see it as being more likely a combination of McCarthy investigating Lyman Briggs with Edward Teller being given a blank cheque to develop "super" though - it's a very multilateral world and while the US is going to be wary of the Great White North (particularly if they get nuclear weapons before the US), they would be no means the only US concern. If the Soviets are the second to get nuclear weapons (highly probable actually - they would be a long way ahead of the US ITTL) that would serve to very effectively divert the paranoia onto the USSR rather than British Empire.
Just curious, is the assumption that the Soviets have agents within the Entente Nuclear Weapon program the way they did in the Allied/American program iOTL? And would there be American or other (Italian?) agents within the program?
 
Just thinking from a British point of view, iTTL, on a line from Moscow to the Channel, the Soviets have gone from in 1938 from controlling about 1/4 of the way from Moscow to the Channel to post-war controlling about 1/3 of the way (using modern Polish/Belarussian borders, which are close, but not completely accurate to what is true iOTL.).

OTOH, iOTL, the Soviets have gone from in OTL the soviets have gone from in 1938 from controlling about 1/4 of the way from Moscow to the Channel to 2/3 of the way. (the OTL intergerman border).
 
Thinking about how each of the powers would view a strong China under CKS, the Japanese would be horrified, the Soviets also probably aren't thrilled. Not sure on the Italians. The Americans would probably be pretty happy (China would have become *very* strong (OTL 201X) to threaten the Philippines and by that point the Americans expect to be gone.

Not sure on the Entente, it is mixed, keeps the Japanese and Soviets busy, but both the British (Hong Kong) and French (Northern edge of FIC) have areas which a stronger China might want...
Italy has a Chinese Concession in Tientsin so Italy will probably look at the view of that being threatened or not. Otherwise, I see Italy and a CKS China to be neutral to each other as they don't really overlap. Maybe some trade and weapon deals but that would be the extent of it.
 
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