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  1. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Scenario: No House of Tudor. Henry VII, King of England (b.1457: d.1509) m. Elizabeth of York (b.1466: d.1503), Joanna, Princess of Naples (b.1478: d.1518) (b) 1a) Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1486: d.1492) 2a) Margaret Tudor, Princess of England (b.1489: d.1489) 3a) Henry Tudor, Prince...
  2. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Ok so how I see it happening is that Mary as Queen of England is still unable to regain her Scottish throne, and disinherits James and his children following some nastiness, which he does in turn her new family. By his death in 1625, he’s only got Joan, who he marries to the Duke of Hamilton in...
  3. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Scenario: Mary, Queen of Scots becomes Mary II, Queen of England and Ireland after a successful 1569 rebellion. Mary II, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1542: d.1595) m. Francis II, King of France (b.1544: d.1560) (a), Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley (b.1546: d.1567) (b), James Hepburn...
  4. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    I don’t think it’s awfully unlikely. A set betrothal (probably to Marguerite of Valois) but no final date for a variety of reasons means he’s single at his death in his mid-teens. His father married at 16, his grandfather in his 20s, his aunt at 20 to his 21 year old cousin (ew), his English...
  5. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Scenario: The brief heir of Bloody Mary. Mary I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1516: d.1558) m. Philip II, King of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (a) 1a) Philip I, King of Spain and Lord of the Netherlands (b.1555: d.1570) - never married, had no issue -- Elizabeth I, Queen of England and...
  6. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Scenario: A different Richard III. Henry VI dies in Jack Cade's Rebellion. Henry VI, King of England and France (b.1421: d.1450) m. Margaret of Anjou (b.1430: d.1482) (a) - had no issue --- Richard III, King of England (b.1411: d.1477) m. Cecily Neville (b.1415: d.1495) (a) 1a) Anne of...
  7. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    To answer these questions without spoiling everything: 1. Robert attempts to usurp the throne and force his mother to abdicate, loses the war and dies of a camp illness, along with his son. His daughter is posthumous and born while his second wife is under house arrest. 2. The issue of Joanna of...
  8. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Scenario: The Children of Queen Joanna of Naples/United Italy. Rough sketch of a TL I'm working on. Joanna I, Queen of Naples (b.1325: d.1391) m. Andrew, Duke of Calabria (b.1327: d.1345) (a), Louis I, King of Naples, Prince of Taranto (b.1320: d.1362) (b), Edmund of Langley, Duke of York...
  9. Kynan

    List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

    Scenario: Henry VII lives for another 25 years. Henry VII, King of England (b.1457: d.1534) m. Elizabeth of York (b.1466: d.1503) (a), Philiberta of Savoy (b.1498: d.1529) (b) [1] 1a) Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1486: d.1501) m. Catherine, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (b.1485: d.1543)...
  10. Kynan

    Twelve Children of Camelot: Prince Arthur has twelve children with Catherine of Aragon, whom do they marry?

    I’m partial to the idea of the Duke of York winding up with Bona Sforza and making a mess of things in Italy somehow.
  11. Kynan

    Twelve Children of Camelot: Prince Arthur has twelve children with Catherine of Aragon, whom do they marry?

    Off the top of my head (I’m bored on a plane) here’s what im: 1. Princess Elizabeth (b.1503) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1500) - Charles wanted to marry pretty much anyone but Isabella, Mary the Elder doesn’t work out, he marries the niece around 1517 or so 2.Alfred, Prince of Wales...
  12. Kynan

    Get Henry VIII to 10 (or more) wives

    Ok let me take a crack at it: 1495-1496: After the death of Charles Somerset, Henry VIII decides to take control of the Herbert estates by marrying his former ward, Elizabeth Herbert, Baroness Herbert, to his 4 year old son. The marriage lasts all of 15 months, before she is finally is granted...
  13. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies
    Threadmarks: November 4th, 1535

    November 4th, 1535 Diane It had been a big, unhappy family reunion when she and Henri had returned to Paris. The boy had taken his sweet time touring through Normandy, stopping to “mourn” via long, private dinners at the houses of various gentry. He always sat her by his side, as she played...
  14. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies
    Threadmarks: October 27th, 1535

    October 27th, 1535 Anne Boleyn The death of the Duchess of Orleans had been an oddly affecting moment of the Queen of England. Very early in her pregnancy, she yet to tell anyone her secret, but she was emotional. And sitting beside her husband after an evening of appropriate revelry, she held...
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    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies

    It's not much, but this is from Queens and Mistresses of Renaissance France by Kathleen Wellman, which was actually my most recent read on the subject; "The dauphin Francis was the only member of the royal family who showed a marked affection for Eleanor and sometimes acted as her advocate with...
  16. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies

    Stepson. Eleonore (at least in my interpretation) thinks of him as her son, as he would be after marrying Francois. From what I’ve read, she was closed to him than the rest of the French royal family, so it made sense for her to treat him as family. But I will update for clarity.
  17. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies
    Threadmarks: October 20th, 1535

    October 20th, 1535 Eleonore This was not the homecoming Eleonore had expected or wanted. Dressed in all white, the French Queen carefully stepped in her uneven shoes, and led the party that had brought Catherine de Medici’s body to Paris. Wrapped in a fur lined stole, she deliberately ignored...
  18. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies
    Threadmarks: October 18th, 1535

    October 18th, 1535 Francois The Dauphin spent many days more on his back than his feet when the weather began to cool. Something about the breeze and the slow withering of the gardens brought upon a mild depression in him – not helped by the mild cough he’d never shake off. But today, there...
  19. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies

    Thank you, and thread marks have been added in!
  20. Kynan

    So Long, Sweet Sparrow - Catherine de Medici dies
    Threadmarks: October 16th, 1535

    Thank you guys so much for all your support so far! I've got a rough sketch of some events to occur in the follow up to Catherine's death, but nothing is set in stone. October 16th, 1535 Diane Playing mistress to a little boy wasn’t the Countess of Maulévrier’s preferred mode of being alive...
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