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  1. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    I'm not sure what the deal was with the first batch, but you may find this link of interest re the second batch.. https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/military-history/history-heritage/past-operations/north-america/peace-wings.html
  2. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yeah maybe several squadrons of long range / high speed interceptors armed with AIM-47's might have been welcomed by NATO. I suspect the costs involved would have been significant.
  3. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Interesting and thanks for sharing. Years ago I worked with a former civilian radar operator from the DEW line era. He had some interesting stories to tell about the tropospheric scatter links they (mostly ?) used for reporting what they saw on the radars. The impression I got from him was...
  4. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yes the communications part of this interests me as well. The second page of the link I posted seems to imply to me that they were expecting to get a 500 NM range from the radar sites to the air craft using various (for the time) advanced communications technologies (most likely HF (AKA...
  5. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yes I agree a larger planned production run would have been helpful. Perhaps another option for the RCAF would have been to keep an air to air role for the European based RCAF units. Several squadrons of Arrows might have been a welcome addition to the order of battle for NATO, conceivably...
  6. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    I recall there was also an effort to add "Frequency Diverse" radars (to deal with jamming) to at least some of the Pine Tree line sites, and radar equipped Picket ships and EC 121 air craft were also involved at various times. Some of the intermediate radar sites of the DEW line were also...
  7. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    I'm not convinced all the basing arrangements shown in the map were ever something the RCAF seriously entertained doing. That being said I suppose it does give a perspective of how a long range interceptor might have been used and some form of effort to carry out intercepts as air craft...
  8. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    It occurs to me that when the SAMs are armed with nuclear warheads there may well be a number of advantages to keeping the total number of SAM sites lower (domestic political, physical security issues etc..) Longer ranged SAMs can also presumably be based in out of the way places away from the...
  9. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    In terms of long range interceptors you may find this of interest. https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=4988516 I'm not quite sure what to make of this. But this type of material may be where some of the views re the Arrow being a...
  10. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yeah but that might have required a general renunciation by Canada on the potential use of Nuclear air defense weapons by the Canadian Military that IOTL didn't happen until the 1980's and it seems (to me at least) to have been somewhat of a by product of the phase out of the CF101...
  11. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yeah.. I doubt the Canadians would ever have even seriously contemplated such a scheme let alone done it.. Still had something along those lines transpired in an alternate time line for some reason, that might have lead to Canada going shopping on the world markets for air defense equipment...
  12. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yeah.. I suspect in practice Canada would have had "issues" with the US if they had tried to implement an air defense scheme that didn't provide the US with at least early warning of Soviet attacks, and didn't on paper at least provide for a means to intercept Soviet air craft in Canadian air...
  13. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yeah a competition for Canadian Orders between Nike Hercules and Bloodhound might have been interesting. The nuclear issue still seems like a major potential stumbling block but I suppose that might be able to be be handwaved away in an alternate time line. Nike was also deployed by other...
  14. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    I thought I did mention the bi lateral nature of NORAD a few posts back. Re the BOMARC, my understanding is the US essentially agreed to move some of their BOMARC sites North into Canada to be purchased, owned and operated by the Canadians (to give greater protection to parts of Canada and...
  15. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Yep.. A few threads ago on this topic I believe I provided a link to one of the Official NORAD histories that spoke to this episode.
  16. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    As I understand things.. The NORAD Concept of Operations vis a vis air defense in and around Canada in that time frame mostly called for air craft to be intercepted while they were within the radar coverage of the pine tree line, presumably as far north as possible. (I seem to recall at...
  17. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    I don't disagree, but when I hear comments about Canada requiring an uber long range interceptor, it seems that the actual Spec that resulted in the CF105 didn't seem to require that (I also suspect range in this context likely meant fly that distance to intercept a target and then mange to...
  18. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    It would be interesting to know the times it took a CF101 and Lightning to reach various distances and altitudes once they took off on a "max performance / war time / intercepting air craft that were likely carrying nuclear weapons" interception mission. That being said I still expect the...
  19. WI: after cancellation of the CF-105 Arrow, the RCAF acquires English Electric Lightnings?

    Reportedly the RCAF Specification that resulted in the CF105 called for a range of 300 nautical miles on a low speed interception mission and 200 nautical miles for a high speed intercept mission. See p6...
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